Has the Age of the Gentiles come to an end?

[mkgal1]

Gog will soon keep his promice to the Israelites who keep his covenant

Jesus is the (only) Israelite that kept the old covenant. The covenant between God and the Israelites was the one made at Mt Sinai with Moses as the mediator. After the Cross (and especially after 70 AD) it was impossible to keep the Old Covenant with the system removed.

Galatians 3
16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”h meaning One, who is Christ.17What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.​

 

[shilohsfoal]

Jesus is the (only) Israelite that kept the old covenant. After the Cross (and especially after 70 AD) it was impossible to keep the Old Covenant with the system removed.

Galatians 3
16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”h meaning One, who is Christ.17What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.​

Who said anything about an old testiment covenant.

God said his covenant.He didn't say his old covenant.
If they keep his covenant then he will make them a kingdom of priests. Are you saying that if the Israelites keep God's covenant that he will then not keep his word?

Revelations shows that God does in fact keep his word which he spoke and he does make the Israelites who keep his covenant a kingdom of priests.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

PS, those Israelites will reign with Christ in Israel forever.

 

[mkgal1]

Who said anything about an old testiment covenant.

God said his covenant.He didn't say his old covenant.

It wasn't "old" until the "new" covenant was brought in by Christ Jesus. Which covenant are you referring to?

If they keep his covenant then he will make them a kingdom of priests. Are you saying that if the Israelites keep God's covenant that he will then not keep his word?

No....God definitely kept His word. However...what is often missed is this redefinition of who this group is...and how the change in mediator from Moses (Sinai Covenant) to Jesus (New Covenant) signifies a complete overhaul of the system in which God relates to His people. Everyone was welcomed into this (new) covenant....but those from the 12 tribes were given first opportunity (until 34 AD).

Revelations shows that God does in fact keep his word which he spoke and he does make the Israelites who keep his covenant a kingdom of priests.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!

I have no disagreement with this. My question would be, however, who do you believe shared in the first resurrection?

 

[mkgal1]

PS, those Israelites will reign with Christ in Israel forever.

In Israel? That's not where David's throne is....the throne is in heaven.

Also....this seems to exclude us Gentiles? That seems to minimize the importance of Jesus' meeting with Saul/Paul and the vision given to Peter....and how the New Testament reveals a subtle change in who the "people of Israel" label was being reassigned:

Acts 10:27-28,34-36,
As Peter talked with him, he went inside and found many people gathered together. He said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with a foreigner or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

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[shilohsfoal]

It wasn't "old" until the "new" covenant was brought in by Christ Jesus. Which covenant are you referring to?


No....God definitely kept His word. However...what is often missed is this redefinition of who this group is...and how the change in mediator from Moses (Sinai Covenant) to Jesus (New Covenant) signifies a complete overhaul of the system in which God relates to His people. Everyone was welcomed into this (new) covenant....but those from the 12 tribes were given first opportunity (until 34 AD).



I have no disagreement with this. My question would be, however, who do you believe shared in the first resurrection?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

All of these are Israelites who are resurrected in the first resurrection. They keep the covenant of God and shall be priests and reign with Christ in Israel forever.
Like I said. God keeps his promise.

 

[shilohsfoal]

In Israel? That's not where David's throne is....the throne is in heaven.

Also....this seems to exclude us Gentiles? That seems to minimize the importance of Jesus' meeting with Saul/Paul and the vision given to Peter....and how the New Testament reveals a subtle change in who the "people of Israel" label was being reassigned:

Acts 10:27-28,34-36,
As Peter talked with him, he went inside and found many people gathered together. He said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with a foreigner or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

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God's throne is in heaven.
Not David's.

 

[mkgal1]

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

All of these are Israelites who are resurrected in the first resurrection. They keep the covenant of God and shall be priests and reign with Christ in Israel forever.
Like I said. God keeps his promise.

You seem to be writing this as if it's future tense? Do you intend to be doing that?

 

[mkgal1]

God's throne is in heaven.
Not David's.

Who has been sitting on David's throne (the throne of the house of Israel) since David died, then? Remember.....we agree that God keeps His promises:

Jeremiah 33:17 - For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel​

 

[shilohsfoal]

You seem to be writing this as if it's future tense? Do you intend to be doing that?

Why do you pretend they are given God's throne.
Scripture plainly states that those who are p errs secuted by the beast are given the kingdom of the beast under heaven forever.
They are not given God's throne.

Daniel 7:27 KJV: And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

It states they are given the kingdom under heaven.

 

[mkgal1]

Why do you pretend they are given God's throne.
Scripture plainly states that those who are p errs secuted by the beast are given the kingdom of the beast under heaven forever.
They are not given God's throne.

Daniel 7:27 KJV: And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

It states they are given the kingdom under heaven.

This doesn't seem to address my question as to whether or not you intend to be writing this in future tense?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Who has been sitting on David's throne (the throne of the house of Israel) since David died, then? Remember.....we agree that God keeps His promises:

Jeremiah 33:17 - For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel​

David doesn't lack anyone. Christ will set on David's throne when he comes.

As of now Christ is setting on God's throne till his enemies become his footstool.
Are you saying David is God because Christ sits on God's throne?

 

[shilohsfoal]

This doesn't seem to address my question as to whether or not you intend to be writing this in future tense?

It is future.
The saints in Israel have not been resurrected yet.
That happens at the sound of the seventh trump.
Revelation 3:21 To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Those who overcome the beast will sit with Christ on his throne.

 

[mkgal1]

David doesn't lack anyone. Christ will set on David's throne when he comes.

As of now Christ is setting on God's throne till his enemies become his footstool.
Are you saying David is God because Christ sits on God's throne?

The promise was that David's throne will never lack a man seated there....so I asked (since you seem to believe David's throne is on earth) who is seated there now....or has been there ever since David died? If it's future tense that Jesus takes the throne....then someone has to be seated there now or else the promise was broken.

 

[shilohsfoal]

The promise was that David's throne will never lack a man seated there....so I asked (since you seem to believe David's throne is on earth) who is seated there now....or has been there ever since David died? If it's future tense that Jesus takes the throne....then someone has to be seated there now or else the promise was broken.

So you are saying Jesus made a promise he can't keep?

Revelation 3:21 To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

According to you Jesus told everyone in Revelation that if they overcame then they would sit with him on his throne.
But you say no one can if they are not already?

When are you claiming the first resurrection happened?
Before Jesus informed them of this or after?

 

[shilohsfoal]

The promise was that David's throne will never lack a man seated there....so I asked (since you seem to believe David's throne is on earth) who is seated there now....or has been there ever since David died? If it's future tense that Jesus takes the throne....then someone has to be seated there now or else the promise was broken.

I'm sorry, Jesus is not sitting on his throne yet. He is now sitting on God's throne.

Revelation 3:21 To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

When he comes, he will resurrect those who have overcome and they will then sit on his throne.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


You should at least wait till they have overcome before you claim they are resurrected. Netanyahu hasn't even implemented his cashless society yet.

 

[mkgal1]

I'm sorry, Jesus is not sitting on his throne yet. He is now sitting on God's throne.

Revelation 3:21 To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

When he comes, he will resurrect those who have overcome and they will then sit on his throne.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


You should at least wait till they have overcome before you claim they are resurrected. Netanyahu hasn't even implemented his cashless society yet.

I don't see how this addresses my point.

If David's throne is on earth....and God promised David's throne will *never* lack a man seated on that throne.....then who has been there since David died? Who is there now? The throne cannot be vacant and waiting for Jesus or else the promise was broken.

 

[mkgal1]

So you are saying Jesus made a promise he can't keep?

No....I'm saying He kept the promise.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I don't see how this addresses my point.

If David's throne is on earth....and God promised David's throne will *never* lack a man seated on that throne.....then who has been there since David died? Who is there now? The throne cannot be vacant and waiting for Jesus or else the promise was broken.

If you want to call it a broken promise then fine.
David's thone was in Jerusalem.
David never ascended into heaven and his throne was never in heaven.

Acts 2:29 KJV: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

 

[mkgal1]

If you want to call it a broken promise then fine.
David's th one was in Jerusalem.
David never ascended into heaven.
Christ did.

I'm not calling it a broken promise (because I believe it's been fulfilled).

However....the belief that David's throne is on earth is at odds with the promise in Jeremiah 33:17....because it leaves the throne vacant for thousands of years.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I'm not calling it a broken promise (because I believe it's been fulfilled).

However....the belief that David's throne is on earth is at odds with the promise in Jeremiah 33:17....because it leaves the throne vacant for millions of years.

David never ascended into heaven.
How can you claim David's throne is in heaven when David had never been there?

Acts 2:29 KJV: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Everyone knows David moved his throne to Jerusalem.

Millions of years?
Kinda stretching things a bit there.