Has Sheehan lost it?

[arnegrim]

Clothe them, feed them, shelter them, and protect them. But what I saw was a city that is occupied. I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests...

...George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=503

 

[UberLutheran]

...at least, if one is a conservative and doesn't agree with what Cindy Sheehan says and does.

But then -- I feel the same way about Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

 

[Smoke Screen]

Cindy lost everything when her son, Casey, died in Iraq for Bu$h's failed quagmire.

 

[Scholar in training]

I guess she thinks that the hurricane wasn't enough, and now Bush is laying waste to New Orleans with the National Guard.

 

[ballfan]

Lost it completely and doesn't seem to have a clue as to where to look to find it. Real sad case.

 

[arnegrim]

...at least, if one is a conservative and doesn't agree with what Cindy Sheehan says and does.

But then -- I feel the same way about Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

So you think the National Guard needs to get out of New Orleans ASAP?

 

[Smoke Screen]

Lost it completely and doesn't seem to have a clue as to where to look to find it. Real sad case.

Where do you suggest she look to find "it?"

 

[MaryS]

...at least, if one is a conservative and doesn't agree with what Cindy Sheehan says and does.

I wonder what you would think of Cindy Sheehan if she were attacking the policies of a Democrat President?
Actually, she did! - but that didn't get much media attention:

During the Clinton regime the US-UN led sanctions against Iraq and the weekly bombing raids killed tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq. Many of them were children, but since one of her children didn’t have to be sacrificed to the homicidal war machine, Madeline Albright, thinks the slaughter during the “halcyon” Clinton years was “worth it.” More lies.
(excerpt of article by Cindy Sheehan at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0606-29.htm

Sheehan didn't make major news for her criticisms of Democrats that voted for the war and haven't done enough to condemn it either. She's challenged Senators Hillary Clinton and Diane Feinstein already, just to name two.

 

[Smoke Screen]

stay tuned..

 

[Redneck]

I wonder what you would think of Cindy Sheehan if she were attacking the policies of a Democrat President?
Actually, she did! - but that didn't get much media attention:

During the Clinton regime the US-UN led sanctions against Iraq and the weekly bombing raids killed tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq. Many of them were children, but since one of her children didn’t have to be sacrificed to the homicidal war machine, Madeline Albright, thinks the slaughter during the “halcyon” Clinton years was “worth it.” More lies.
(excerpt of article by Cindy Sheehan at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0606-29.htm

Sheehan didn't make major news for her criticisms of Democrats that voted for the war and haven't done enough to condemn it either. She's challenged Senators Hillary Clinton and Diane Feinstein already, just to name two.

But I thought that the media was fair...

 

[Borealis]

Did she ever have it to begin with?

The poster-child for liberal moonbats everywhere...aren't her 15 minutes up yet? Why are people still paying attention to this woman, anyway? She's not saying anything the Daily Kos and friends haven't said a billion times already.

 

[MaryS]

But I thought that the media was fair...

Umm, yeah....that's why I haven't seen that article or mention of it at anything I consider a valid news source. Unless someone considers dailyKOS a news source.

Plenty of websites picked up the story that Cindy Sheehan wrote where she was also railing against the Clinton administration, though:
(just some examples:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/sheehan8.html
http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/25/234141/554
http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=471
http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=451
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=227062&page=4
(plus links to movies of Sheehan at stormfront)

assorted quotes by Sheehan at:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking/Blog/cns!1pgk93Q41bEU2lfx_2VF1D4w!213.entry
(excerpts:
"And the other thing I want him to tell me is 'just what was the noble cause Casey died for?' Was it freedom and democracy? ********! He died for oil. He died to make your friends richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. We're not freer here, thanks to your PATRIOT Act. Iraq is not free. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism."
(One of the organizations she supports has a map of the Middle East, and Palestine replacing Israel)

“We began the killing as soon as we stepped foot on these shores and the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years. There has always been excuses for wars, but NONE of them have been good or valid.”

 

[Smoke Screen]

I wonder what you would think of Cindy Sheehan if she were attacking the policies of a Democrat President?


Personally, I am against the killing of any innocent people and applaud Cindy for mentioning any kind of wrong doing by the American government whether it be a Democrat or Republican. I was against Clinton bombing Kosovo as well as the weekly bombing raid that rarely got much media attention. This really frustrated me at the time. And yes, I protested this publicly as well. But this is not a Democrat or Bush Hater problem. This is the stupid media's fault for not completely focusing on this exact issue.

I follow Cindy because I believe what she is doing is the right thing to do. Her son was sent to Iraq for questionable reasons. He died there. She is speaking out against these questionable reasons with the hopes that other parents will not lose their child in this unlawful war. Angry people can beat her down, mock her, post quotes all they want. She will not go away! Nor will other parents who lost their child in this rediculous quagmire. Each day more parents join her cause. If she steps down, more will take her place. Then what? Smear them too? Something tells me these parents could give a rip what the angry people think about them. People can preach their hate and their anger all they want. It won't change a thing.

 

[MaryS]

I wonder what you would think of Cindy Sheehan if she were attacking the policies of a Democrat President?


Personally, I am against the killing of any innocent people and applaud Cindy for mentioning any kind of wrong doing by the American government whether it be a Democrat or Republican. I was against Clinton bombing Kosovo as well as the weekly bombing raid that rarely got much media attention. This really frustrated me at the time. And yes, I protested this publicly as well. But this is not a Democrat or Bush Hater problem. This is the stupid media's fault for not completely focusing on this exact issue.

I follow Cindy because I believe what she is doing is the right thing to do. Her son was sent to Iraq for questionable reasons. He died there. She is speaking out against these questionable reasons with the hopes that other parents will not lose their child in this unlawful war. Angry people can beat her down, mock her, post quotes all they want. She will not go away! Nor will other parents who lost their child in this rediculous quagmire. Each day more parents join her cause. If she steps down, more will take her place. Then what? Smear them too? Something tells me these parents could give a rip what the angry people think about them. People can preach their hate and their anger all they want. It won't change a thing.

Well, I missed the protests of the military actions in Kosovo, Haiti, Yugoslavia, etc. when Clinton was president.

At least you and Cindy Sheehan seem willing to protest even if a Democrat were in charge of the same things that Bush is doing.
Most of the Democrats I know actually have bragged about how Clinton spared more of our troops lives by his bombing actions. One of them even criticized Bush for having too many troops in Iraq and said what should have happened is more bombing, actually used the phrase "nuke 'em till their babies heads glow".

No matter who is in charge, I could not have protested if my son had lost his life doing a military service that he chose to do.

 

[Smoke Screen]

Well, I missed the protests of the military actions in Kosovo, Haiti, Yugoslavia, etc. when Clinton was president.

At least you and Cindy Sheehan seem willing to protest even if a Democrat were in charge of the same things that Bush is doing.
Most of the Democrats I know actually have bragged about how Clinton spared more of our troops lives by his bombing actions. One of them even criticized Bush for having too many troops in Iraq and said what should have happened is more bombing, actually used the phrase "nuke 'em till their babies heads glow".

No matter who is in charge, I could not have protested if my son had lost his life doing a military service that he chose to do.

I am very active in the Democratic party in my area as well as the local peace movement and have never heard anyone bragging about Clinton's Admin bombing to save more lives in his wars. I have, however, heard dozens of people speak about the Clinton Admin using Depleted Uranium in Kosovo. We've been speaking out against the use of DU for years. Some people I know, had no clue DU was used by Clinton as well as Bush. They now speak out against the use of DU in any war, especailly the Iraq war because it is a current war based on faulty information.

Most of the Republicans I speak with (many friends and co-workers) are clueless what is going on in Iraq today. They think Osama is in Iraq and is leading the insurgent fighting. I've heard them refer to the Iraqi's as "towel heads" and proudly speak about all the bombs Bush has nailed Iraq with. One of my closest high school buddies who is a Republican thought it was really neat how the U.S. made "Swiss cheese" out of Iraq. He shut right up when I mentioned how much Bush's war is costing Americans. He is uneducated and ignorant, but has a good heart. My friends and I are being patient with him and are close to bringing him to the white light at the end of the Liberal tunnel!

 

[12volt_man]

Cindy lost everything when her son, Casey, died in Iraq for Bu$h's failed quagmire.

No, she gave up everything when she decided to dishonor her son's memory and exploit her own son's death for her own political ideology.

What's ironic is that after people got tired of hearing her badmouth her own dead son's sacrifice, she switched to the Israeli situation in Gaza and then on to hurricane Katrina.

All of this leads me to wonder whether or not it really had anything to do with her son to begin with, or if his death was just an excuse to badmouth President Bush.

 

[Smoke Screen]

No, she gave up everything when she decided to dishonor her son's memory and exploit her own son's death for her own political ideology.

Wrong. She everything Cindy lost was because of the death of Casey. If he wasn't sent to Iraq to fight in an illegal war based on faulty information and lies, he would still be alive today. If she's politicizing the death of her son! It's a no-brainer. It's the Bush Admin's fault her son died. One would expect any parent to speak out against the warmongers in D.C.

What's ironic is that after people got tired of hearing her badmouth her own dead son's sacrifice, she switched to the Israeli situation in Gaza and then on to hurricane Katrina.

Explain the irony in your assinine statement?

All of this leads me to wonder whether or not it really had anything to do with her son to begin with, or if his death was just an excuse to badmouth President Bush.

Of course it has to do with the death of her son! Why would she or any other parents and family members of fallen soldiers waste their time and money going from state to state just to badmouth Bu$h? They can do this from their own comfort of their home by writing letters to the editors or post messages on blogs. This is one of the most ignorant statements I have read thus far!

 

[12volt_man]

Wrong. She everything Cindy lost was because of the death of Casey. If he wasn't sent to Iraq to fight in an illegal war based on faulty information and lies, he would still be alive today.

How is the war illegal? What lies is this war based on?

It's the Bush Admin's fault her son died. One would expect any parent to speak out against the warmongers in D.C

How is it the Bush administration's fault that her son died?

If what you're saying is true, then why isn't she speaking out against the Democrat "warmongers" who voted to authorize this war?

Explain the irony in your assinine statement?

It's not assinine and I don't see any irony in it.

It is true that once the attention started to die down, she switched her cause to the Israeli situation in Gaza and then on to more of the left's unfair demonization of President Bush concerning Katrina.

Of course it has to do with the death of her son!

OK. What do Gaza and Katrina have to do with her son?

Why would she or any other parents and family members of fallen soldiers waste their time and money going from state to state just to badmouth Bu$h?

Because they're pawns of the left.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have read thus far!

So, are you just going to hurl insults or are you going to correct me?

 

[Matthew777]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=503

All I have to say is this...

Peace.

 

[Smoke Screen]

How is the war illegal? What lies is this war based on?

A war against the sovereign state of Iraq without the express authorization of the UN is illegal under international law. It goes against the UN Charter and against the Resolution 1441. http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/.

Lies:

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

"We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

There's many more...

How is it the Bush administration's fault that her son died?

Their reasoning to go to war with Iraq was a lie. Her son was sent to Iraq for a lie. He died because of their lies.

If what you're saying is true, then why isn't she speaking out against the Democrat "warmongers" who voted to authorize this war?

Perhaps you should spend some time reading current events from more reliable sources? She is speaking out against them:

http://meetwiththemothers.org/

It's not assinine and I don't see any irony in it.

I think it is assinine.

In your previous post you said, "What's ironic is that after people got tired of hearing her badmouth her own dead son's sacrifice, she switched to the Israeli situation in Gaza and then on to hurricane Katrina."

So whats the "Irony?"


It is true that once the attention started to die down, she switched her cause to the Israeli situation in Gaza and then on to more of the left's unfair demonization of President Bush concerning Katrina.

OK. What do Gaza and Katrina have to do with her son?

I personally don't agree with her much on this.

But here is what she said about Israel:

"Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry?


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.

"Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11.


Here's what she said about Katrina:


"What Bush's Katrina shows once again is that my son died for nothing. If you listen to Bush – and fewer and fewer are, thank goodness -- we are in Iraq in part due to 9/11. All our president has been talking about has been protecting this country since 9/11. That's why people voted for him in the last election. Katrina shows it's all as sham, a fraud, a disaster as large as Katrina itself."

"Hundreds of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of innocent lives wasted later what have we achieved? Nothing. Casey died for nothing and Bush says others have to die for those that have died already."


"Enough, George! What is disgusting is not, as the first lady says, criticism of you, but rather the crimes you've committed against this country and our sons and daughters. Stop hiding behind your twisted idea of God and stop destroying this country."


"This week I arrive in Washington DC to begin my Vigil at the White House just like I did in Texas. But this time I'll be joined by Katrina victims as well. In your America we are all victims. The failed bookends of your Presidency are Iraq and Katrina."

Sounds pretty clear to me.

Because they're pawns of the left.

Just like the 9/11 Victims are pawns to the right. The Pentagon's Freedom March on 9/11 was a perfect way to try to tie 9/11 to the War in Iraq. He is using the 9/11 victims to strenghthen in right-winged base because many are jumping ship.

So, are you just going to hurl insults...

All I said was that your statements were assinine and ignorant. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

or are you going to correct me?

Correct you on what?