Has anyone noticed the times Russia has taken land from Ukraine?

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Oh puhleeese! Stop spouting MSNBC propaganda points! That clown Zelensky is just as much a crook as Putin.
I have never watched MSNBC. I’m in the UK. But tell me, which country did Zelensky invade and cause the deaths of thousands and displaced millions?
 
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And they go to high school in Canada so you wouldn't have met them.
A moronic joke that makes precisely zero sense. If you can't actually address the issues that are being raised here, then get lost, take a hike!
 
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And your proof for CIA supported coup ?

Yanukovych was Putins stooge and Ukrainians did not want to get where Belarus is now - a puppet state under Russia. Seeing the morale and will of Ukrainians to fight clearly demonstrates that they support current government and alignment to West insted of submitting to Putins fascist dictatorship. This seems unarguable but feel free to spin so yarn of satanist mind control or whatever Kremlin dreams up this week.

Also they had democratic elections when Zelensky got elected that so we are all good right ? Unless that was illuminati operation as well, or CIA or whatever.

Btw your language is going to earn you a ban so some sublety is recommended.
Oh, so if some people who take to the streets because they are unhappy with their government want someone else to lead their nation, it's okay for those people to forcibly remove their government even if it had been chosen, in a fair contest, by the majority. Right, got it. In that case, Trudeau should have been ousted by the Canadian truck-drivers.
As for my "language", what's wrong with it? Do I swear? No. Attack others personally? Nope, although I could name a couple of people here who do precisely that, so take your empty threats elsewhere.
 
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And your proof for CIA supported coup ?



You people just can't handle the truth.
 
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You people just can't handle the truth.

So you quote a website called "key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin" by StratCom. Not really making your case that you're not quoting Russian propaganda.
 
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So you quote a website called "key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin" by StratCom. Not really making your case that you're not quoting Russian propaganda.
It is like after deciding to ditch mainstream news because they are so biased you are free to pick any nut channel with 10 subscribers and that is clearly the truth for whatever reason just because it is not mainstrean.

Never understood that logic or rather lack of it.
 
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You people just can't handle the truth.

Just for the sake of argument let´s go with CIA overthrowing Ukrainian government in 2014.

Do you agree that Ukrainian people would rather be aligned with the West looking how hard they are fighting not to get subjugated by Russia and kicking Putins stooge out had the support of the people ?
 
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As for my "language", what's wrong with it? Do I swear? No. Attack others personally? Nope, although I could name a couple of people here who do precisely that, so take your empty threats elsewhere.

Having been on bans just a friendly reminder. You seem very passionate about this for whatever reason and then you link some Russian propaganda video that somenone actually bothers to watch with someone cursing Ukrainians and you get a warning about profanity.
 
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A moronic joke that makes precisely zero sense.

It references a story where a young person makes up things to make themselves look better, and then when called out on it, comes up with increasingly outlandish excuses for why there's no evidence that the person they're supposedly in a relationship exists. I feel bad having to explain the joke, but the relevance is pretty obvious.

If you can't actually address the issues that are being raised here,

Pretty sure I identified the issues in quoting a wiki article starting with the line "Some have argued" as absolute proof of a claim.

then get lost, take a hike!
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll be sure to give your recommendation all the consideration it deserves!
 
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It is like after deciding to ditch mainstream news because they are so biased you are free to pick any nut channel with 10 subscribers and that is clearly the truth for whatever reason just because it is not mainstrean.

Never understood that logic or rather lack of it.
I'm ignoring Hans Blaster for the simple reason that the only response he could think of to give was to childishly assert that I must be some kind of admirer of Vladimir Putin (because apparently it isn't possible to criticise U.S. foreign policy otherwise). I don't understand your analogy here, because I'm not using sources for the reason you give (i.e. confirmation bias), because anyone with the time can actually check my claims if they think they're wrong. The fact that no one has apparently done so here speaks volumes.
 
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It references a story where a young person makes up things to make themselves look better, and then when called out on it, comes up with increasingly outlandish excuses for why there's no evidence that the person they're supposedly in a relationship exists. I feel bad having to explain the joke, but the relevance is pretty obvious.
Okay, well, I didn't make anything up. Why would I do that? What purpose would that serve? Excuses for why there's no evidence? Are you actually serious about that accusation? Look into the history of the CIA; they've been undermining governments and toppling them ever since the organisation was first founded back in 1947. Nothing I've written here is at all controversial or seriously doubted, because it's common knowledge.
 
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I'm ignoring Hans Blaster for the simple reason that the only response he could think of to give was to childishly assert that I must be some kind of admirer of Vladimir Putin (because apparently it isn't possible to criticise U.S. foreign policy otherwise). I don't understand your analogy here, because I'm not using sources for the reason you give (i.e. confirmation bias), because anyone with the time can actually check my claims if they think they're wrong. The fact that no one has apparently done so here speaks volumes.

I'm not ignoring you 'cause I like to keep an eye on those who fall for Putin's propaganda.

For the record, I didn't call you an admirer of Putin, or his agent, or stooge. What I wrote is that you were echoing Putin's propaganda. How you came to believe it I can not say.
 
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Pretty sure I identified the issues in quoting a wiki article starting with the line "Some have argued" as absolute proof of a claim.
That line appears at the very beginning, and the fact that you would use it to somehow "debunk" what I've said here suggests to me you didn't bother going beyond that line, that you ignored everything after it.
 
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Having been on bans just a friendly reminder. You seem very passionate about this for whatever reason and then you link some Russian propaganda video that somenone actually bothers to watch with someone cursing Ukrainians and you get a warning about profanity.
Let me tell you why I seem to be so "passionate" about this; it's because of responses just like this one. People who can't present their case, can't present counter-arguments, just love to accuse their opponents of being "pro-Krremlin", or "pro-Putin". It's childish and absurd, and I don't know to what you're referring when you mention some "propaganda video". Link it, because I don't remember doing what you claim I did here.
This may come as a surprise, even a shock to you, but I actually do not - NOT - like Vladimir Putin. At all. Here's something else for you to consider that will no doubt shock you; it's possible to be pro-Russia but anti-Putin. I know, who would have thought that was possible? What next? Someone claiming they love America but hate Biden? Wow, wouldn't that be a revelation!
 
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Let me tell you why I seem to be so "passionate" about this; it's because of responses just like this one. People who can't present their case, can't present counter-arguments, just love to accuse their opponents of being "pro-Krremlin", or "pro-Putin". It's childish and absurd, and I don't know to what you're referring when you mention some "propaganda video". Link it, because I don't remember doing what you claim I did here.
This may come as a surprise, even a shock to you, but I actually do not - NOT - like Vladimir Putin. At all. Here's something else for you to consider that will no doubt shock you; it's possible to be pro-Russia but anti-Putin. I know, who would have thought that was possible? What next? Someone claiming they love America but hate Biden? Wow, wouldn't that be a revelation!
You are an internet chat handle talking to others of the same kind. Recently invented at that. Getting somehow emotionally involved in this is pretty ridiculous. Nothing you say is worth being shocked, annoyed or whatever emotional response you think you will get and using caps make you look like you are frothing at mouth.

Your ideas for arguments and counter arguments pretty much fall apart immediately when you start using sources that can not be verified and are usually so heavily biased as to be worthless but if there is an actual well reasoned argument it certainly is worth discussing.

The video profanity was just an example. I got banned when linking a Month Python musical where someone used a naughty word at some point.
It does not take much. Also be mindful which forums you are posting at all times. The rules wary.
 
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I have never watched MSNBC. I’m in the UK. But tell me, which country did Zelensky invade and cause the deaths of thousands and displaced millions?
The Donestk and Luhansk People's Republics.

What goes around, comes around...
 
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The Donestk and Luhansk People's Republics.

What goes around, comes around...

Those aren't "countries". They are a small group of disgruntled people (out of the larger population of their oblasts) propped up by Putin's government.
 
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The Donestk and Luhansk People's Republics.

According to Russia those "countries" do not even exist anymore. All part of mother Russia now. That is how much Russia cared for their "independence"
 
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The Donestk and Luhansk People's Republics.

What goes around, comes around...
They’re not countries; don’t be silly. Being invaded, then holding sham referenda with obviously too high numbers of votes (higher than the actual popn) does not a country make.

Imagine if Mexico did that to Texas.

A pro Russian stance is fine. Lying through one’s teeth is not.
 
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