harry potter

[Highway of Life]

Dude,
No need to get desperate. Both sides have said all there is to be said. There is no point in debating further. The only problem I have with you is the fact that you pound other members into the dirt to prove your point. This is very wrong. It shows a lack of respect.

And if HP was merely a book, you would not be pushing so hard for a debate, or rather, to shove your objective down their throats.
You are defending HP like you would your life, there is something wrong with that, especially if it is merely a book.
You need to dig deeper and ask the Lord if there is a more severe problem in your life.

Falsely accusing other members of Fallacy is extremely disrespectful and wrong.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with you, only your false accusations of fallacy on other members, when indeed that is your own opinion.

Blessings Brother,
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[PaladinValer]

Dude,

No need to get desperate.

Who's desparate?

Both sides have said all there is to be said. There is no point in debating further.

You do not have a counter?

The only problem I have with you is the fact that you pound other members into the dirt to prove your point. This is very wrong. It shows a lack of respect.

Not respectful? Pointing out errors in another argument isn't "not respectful." Not respectful would be to say (or imply) something like "those who do not agree are not seeking the truth". That's called "Ad Hominem," which is not only another logical fallacy, but which is the real "disrespectful" thing to do. There is nothing morally or religiously wrong to point out another argument is illogical and to explain why.

I will not "bow down" just because someone do not like the fact that I like to use logical arguments and that I will not accept illogical ones and point out their errors. I never called anyone a nincompoop nor implied so.

And if HP was merely a book, you would not be pushing so hard for a debate, or rather, to shove your objective down their throats.

This is exactly the sort of argumentation that makes no valid sense. It Begs the Question and it underails the key points by going after the most insignificant details. Logicians call this a "Strawn Man," and I've seen it used far too many times.

"If people have a problem with Harry Potter, then that is their preorogative. But if people want to argue against it, at least they can do is state a cohesively valid argument without using logical fallacies."

I too have no problem with people who are against Harry Potter; whether it be because they think it is Satanic or whether it be that they personally just wouldn't read it due to their own personal reasons. However, if you are going to argue from these positions, you need to be sure that they are logical.

You are defending HP like you would your life, there is something wrong with that, especially if it is merely a book.

If you think I would defend my life with just words, you are sorely mistaken. Do not presume to know me through one thread's posts. Fallacy of Hasty Generalization.

You need to dig deeper and ask the Lord if there is a more severe problem in your life.

Straw Man and Ad Hominem. You don't like my debating style, so I must be wrong in the Lord...

Falsely accusing other members of Fallacy is extremely disrespectful and wrong.

Fallacy? Not one bit. Please go to here to learn about logical fallacies of all types: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

Like I said, I don't have a problem with you, only your false accusations of fallacy on other members, when indeed that is your own opinion.

1. I do not use invalid sources (like The Onion) to promote the idea of Harry Potter is "Satanic."
2. I do however use logical reasoning to point out errors in other's arguments. This is not opinion; it is fact.

 

[Highway of Life]

If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”

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[Highway of Life]

• Does the Bible say "good" witches will be spared, or that "EVERYONE" who practices witchcraft and the magic arts will surely be thrown in the lake of fire?
• Evil vs Evil, we still take sides - in the classic struggle against Good and Evil argument, we still take a side and are not neutral parties. In the movie Italian Job, for instance, you root for the robbers to steal the money. Is it right to willingly put yourself in a position where you must choose an evil over an evil?

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You have lightly brushed aside a warning that came from the mouth of a former witch herself, as if you know more about the occult than she, someone who used to be immersed in it, does.

You seem desperate to prove your point. Whether that is out of personal pride to win this debate at all costs or as a justification for things that you personally are currently participating in and MUST receive validation from Christian sources, or both, I cannot say. In both regards, I ask you to prayerfully consider the Christian virtues of your actions and your words.
Again, weigh this passage...

If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

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[Blank123]

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guys remember, these kind of debates tend to get really heated so do remember that you need to keep the personal remarks out of this, and treat everyone with respect whether you agree with that person's point of view or not.

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[Highway of Life]

Sure thing. Thanks Tigress

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[PaladinValer]

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1. Taken out of context
2. Fallacy of Hasty Generalization

Does the Bible say "good" witches will be spared, or that "EVERYONE" who practices witchcraft and the magic arts will surely be thrown in the lake of fire?

No "witches" in Harry Potter that correlate to that kind condemned in the Holy Bible. Fallacy of Equivocation.

Evil vs Evil, we still take sides - in the classic struggle against Good and Evil argument, we still take a side and are not neutral parties. In the movie Italian Job, for instance, you root for the robbers to steal the money. Is it right to willingly put yourself in a position where you must choose an evil over an evil?

As this is based on an invalid premise (and doesn't portray an accurate parallel), it is of no consequence.

You need to prove that the "witchcraft" in HP is the following:

• Performable
• Has directly lead and is the sole cause of a Christian's apostacy to a different religion
• Based in some culture's actual occultic practice

You have lightly brushed aside a warning that came from the mouth of a former witch herself, as if you know more about the occult than she, someone who used to be immersed in it, does.

You automatically assume the person is a witch "because she says so." I know the theology of various Neopagan faiths rather well, especially that of Wicca. The person must prove that they were truly a "witch" before they can use themself as a valid authority (otherwise, Fallacy of Appealing to Authority). Since that is extremely difficult to do in most Neopagan faiths (with exception), you'll have quite the time doing so.

 

[Highway of Life]

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[Abiel]

BTW, Tolkien was a Christian and a good friend of CS Lewis.

JK Rowling...I believe she is a Christian too.

 

[PaladinValer]

JK Rowling...I believe she is a Christian too.

She is; a committed member of the Church of Scotland

 

[Abiel]

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[Blank123]

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