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Halloween

Which best describes your view of Halloween?

  • I have no problem with the celebration of Halloween.

  • I think if you avoid scary or occult things, Halloween is okay.

  • I think you can do something like a "Harvest Festival," but nothing called "Halloween."

  • We should avoid anything related to the occasion, because it is an ungodly celebration.

  • The obligatory "other." (Explain.)


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Albion

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My take on Halloween is that it is part of the pagan holidays.

My feeling is that almost everything associated with Christianity has an external connection to some earlier non-Christian way of doing things. In fact, early Christians clearly intended to "trump" the pagans by taking over their festivals and making them into something good instead, thus showing the difference between the faith and light of Christ and the dark nature of the pagan system.

What really matters then, would not be the external similarities but what is now being done and to what end.
 
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We are going on vacation over Halloween, so there will be no candy or trick or treating this year. My daughter is concerned, she doesn't know where we are going, so she isn't sure if it will be as much fun as Halloween at home is, but I'm sure she won't mind when she finds out we are going to Disney World. :)

Wow! Yeah, I'll go out on a limb and guess that this will be a good surprise. :D :thumbsup:
 
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I recommend that Christians who think participating or acknowledging the holiday in any way, other than to warfare and pray against and expose the history and current practices of the day to educate others, should do a private and personal study on what the occult, witches, warlocks, and all of those who participate in Sam Hein are doing on and up to that day. You may want to reconsider your position, and your thoughts of how harmless you believe sending your kids out is and what a farce it is to attempt to "replace" the holiday with harvest festivals, or some other "good" type party etc., We shouldn't deceive ourselves in this regard. Holding a different "good" kind of party does not cancel out the other.

PS... you could pass out tracts to the kids that come to your house though.
You might even want to give "History of Halloween" packets to the parents. (not the little kids)

Here's a link to Carol Kornacki's website. She is a Christian now, but was a practicing witch
for several years. This will give you some idea of the "going on" on the other side of the spectrum.
http://carolkornacki.blogspot.com/2007/08/truth-about-halloween.html

You should spend the $20 on her video too. I watched it in 1996.
It is worth it.

If you would like additional links, please PM me. I will be happy to gather some for you.
 
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I recommend that Christians who think participating or acknowledging the holiday in any way, other than to warfare and pray against and expose the history and current practices of the day to educate others, should do a private and personal study on what the occult, witches, warlocks, and all of those who participate in Sam Hein are doing on and up to that day. You may want to reconsider your position, and your thoughts of how harmless you believe sending your kids out is and what a farce it is to attempt to "replace" the holiday with harvest festivals, or some other "good" type party etc., We shouldn't deceive ourselves in this regard. Holding a different "good" kind of party does not cancel out the other.

My opinion exactly!

I am amazed and shocked at that casual attitude to this. It grieves me to see all the witch's costumes and stuff on sale in the shops and the outright encouragement of kids to go trick-or-treating.

How insanely irresponsible!

First off, putting a "harmless fun" tag on this is completely barmy. How can presenting the notion of witches, spells and stuff possibly be okay? How is this not going to tell the little'ns that it's not only fun but fine to dabble?

But secondly, I despair that all year we are impressing upon these sweet innocents that they shouldn't talk to strangers or accept sweets from strangers and then, one night, they get dressed up in these frightful costumes and actually go knocking on doors and begging!! How irresponsible is that?

Yes, I know that adults are hovering about and that it's 'only' the neighbours who can be trusted. Oh yeah?? Tell the parents of the murdered Soham girls that!


I never put much stock in the cult or occults... although, growing up in California, there were some strange people at that time of the year. I do remember going trick and treating with my sister and our friends and having to climb up these narrow stairs, there had to be at least 100 of those stairs and then they ring the door bell and some weird guy all in black answers the door and asked us to come in and of course, my sister and the friends did go in... but I said no and I stood outside the door and it turned out that this man was a "witch" (a real one, not just for the Halloween night) and they thought it was so cool and I just looked at him and me without a sense of humor back then basically gave him the "look". Anyway, I was grateful to leave that house and no I never returned back to that house on any other Halloween to trick and treat. That guy really was weird. There really was something wrong about him. What I didn't tell my sister or her friends because I was afride they would laugh at me and not believe me... but I felt my hair on my neck stand up and I got that "gut" feeling that I use to get before trouble... anyway...

My case proven, I think.
 
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Originally, Samhain was much like the Day of the Dead in Mexican folklore -- a day when the veil between the worlds is supposedly thinner, and spirits of the beloved departed can visit their relatives -- wrapped up in a harvest festival. The term comes from the Celtic word for the month that corresponds to November, and it was the ending/beginning of the year.

I'm more concerned with people dressing up as demons and devils than mummies and such. Our daughter is 6, so she's much more into princesses and angels than monsters (though she loves them, too), but she knows that demons and devils are expressly forbidden in our house, even at Hallowe'en.

However, we actually take her to our best friends' house to trick-or-treat. They are pagans, so it is a major holiday for them.

And in December, they will come to our house for Christmas caroling.

It's part of the way we share our faith with those whom we love who have so far rejected God's grace and mercy.
 
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I recommend that Christians who think participating or acknowledging the holiday in any way, other than to warfare and pray against and expose the history and current practices of the day to educate others, should do a private and personal study on what the occult, witches, warlocks, and all of those who participate in Sam Hein are doing on and up to that day. You may want to reconsider your position, and your thoughts of how harmless you believe sending your kids out is and what a farce it is to attempt to "replace" the holiday with harvest festivals, or some other "good" type party etc., We shouldn't deceive ourselves in this regard. Holding a different "good" kind of party does not cancel out the other.

PS... you could pass out tracts to the kids that come to your house though.
You might even want to give "History of Halloween" packets to the parents. (not the little kids)

Here's a link to Carol Kornacki's website. She is a Christian now, but was a practicing witch
for several years. This will give you some idea of the "going on" on the other side of the spectrum.
http://carolkornacki.blogspot.com/2007/08/truth-about-halloween.html

You should spend the $20 on her video too. I watched it in 1996.
It is worth it.

If you would like additional links, please PM me. I will be happy to gather some for you.

I agree with you Redeemed...its a deceptive holiday. But I have to differ with you concerning something to replace it. You know how kids are...they don't like to feel left out. It's the same with Easter for me. Kids love the candy and the egg hunt, etc. As long as we balance it with the truth I think it's ok to have a little harvest festival with candy for the kids. I don't necessarily go for the "dressing up" part. But they need something so they don't end up being bitter over it.

I personally hate this "holiday" and don't celebrate it in any way. I've had jobs where they decorate and put cute lil pumpkins on their desk, ect. Mine is always clear of anything that would indicate that I celebrate this time of year at all. It's slightly less offensive when its just a pumpkin vs a gargoyle. At least with a garland of leaves I don't get an icky feeling in the pit of my stomach.
 
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Originally, Samhain was much like the Day of the Dead in Mexican folklore -- a day when the veil between the worlds is supposedly thinner, and spirits of the beloved departed can visit their relatives -- wrapped up in a harvest festival. The term comes from the Celtic word for the month that corresponds to November, and it was the ending/beginning of the year.

I'm more concerned with people dressing up as demons and devils than mummies and such. Our daughter is 6, so she's much more into princesses and angels than monsters (though she loves them, too), but she knows that demons and devils are expressly forbidden in our house, even at Hallowe'en.

However, we actually take her to our best friends' house to trick-or-treat. They are pagans, so it is a major holiday for them.

And in December, they will come to our house for Christmas caroling.

It's part of the way we share our faith with those whom we love who have so far rejected God's grace and mercy.

Yes, the Mexican Day of the Dead is very similiar. People take food to the gravesites and set it up for their dead loved ones to eat. There are skeletons all over the place. But for them it's kinda like honoring the dead. Slightly different reasoning to it.
 
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How insanely irresponsible!

How is this not going to tell the little'ns that it's not only fun but fine to dabble?


Yes, I know that adults are hovering about and that it's 'only' the neighbours who can be trusted. .
That was so loving!
Lets tell the kids they can't have fun like the others and the others are celebrating (and may be) evil.
If one thing happens that means its a common thing?

When I was little, I loved the day, fondest memories.
And I also knew how wrong witchcraft and all else was.
The two do not associate to me and still don't.
 
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As a Messianic, I gave up Christmas without a whimper. Actually, his real birthday would be sometime around now, the Feast of Tabernacles. "He came and tabernacled among us" - paraphrase from the Gospel of John! :bow:
actually there is pretty good astronomical evidence to suggest that the wisemen arrived on or near Dec 25th. The most likely candidate for the star of bethlehem comes to its culmination over bethlehem in amazing fashion on Dec 25th in around 1 BC
 
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My old Non-denom church usually held a autumn, or harvest festival with people dressing up as biblical, or historical characters.

In the Anglican church, of course it is All Saints Eve.

As an aside, there seems to be some sort of obsession with holidays among certain groups. As such there is alot of "information" flying around about various holidays. As is my nature, I eventually began to research the various things that are taught about holidays.
There is alot of misinformation, but Haloween is one of the worst. A good deal of what has been taught about Halloween has simply been made up and repeated to the point where people take it as fact.

The point of halloween from its very beginning was to celebrate community and identify yourself with the larger community of your family, clan, tribe etc. The holiday was a celebration of the rememberance that we are all part of something larger. It was about connecting with your heretige, with those who went before you, and with the hope of the future, those who are yet to come.
When the people became Christian, they continued this tradition in Christian terms, thus it became all Saints day when we remember that we are part of a larger body and we connect with those who have gone before, and those who are yet to come.
 
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That was so loving!
Lets tell the kids they can't have fun like the others and the others are celebrating (and may be) evil.
If one thing happens that means its a common thing?

Honey, you got your opinion and I have mine. I just know that it is a known fact in cases of child abuse and murder, that it's most often the nice. friendly neighbour who was responsible. And the Soham murders were not an isolated instance. There have been many such cases. Guess you in the States didn't get coverage of little Mandy that went missing in Portugal? It's a fact and I would rather see these precious children loose a 'fun' thing like this than lose their lives. That is love.
 
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My old Non-denom church usually held a autumn, or harvest festival with people dressing up as biblical, or historical characters.

In the Anglican church, of course it is All Saints Eve.

As an aside, there seems to be some sort of obsession with holidays among certain groups. As such there is alot of "information" flying around about various holidays. As is my nature, I eventually began to research the various things that are taught about holidays.
There is alot of misinformation, but Haloween is one of the worst. A good deal of what has been taught about Halloween has simply been made up and repeated to the point where people take it as fact.

The point of halloween from its very beginning was to celebrate community and identify yourself with the larger community of your family, clan, tribe etc. The holiday was a celebration of the rememberance that we are all part of something larger. It was about connecting with your heretige, with those who went before you, and with the hope of the future, those who are yet to come.
When the people became Christian, they continued this tradition in Christian terms, thus it became all Saints day when we remember that we are part of a larger body and we connect with those who have gone before, and those who are yet to come.
Even if it started out as an autumn festival, you've got to see what it's become today. For me that's enough to not celebrate it at all.

I've done research on it myself, not sure how you would sort out what is truth and what isn't because my information came from some pretty decent resources. It was awhile back, so I'd have to go search it out again and I really don't have the time to do that right now.
 
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That was so loving!
Lets tell the kids they can't have fun like the others and the others are celebrating (and may be) evil.
If one thing happens that means its a common thing?

When I was little, I loved the day, fondest memories.
And I also knew how wrong witchcraft and all else was.
The two do not associate to me and still don't.


Sweeti e- this stu ff is dangerous!!!!
 
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We don't celebrate it. I see it as someone else's religious holiday
It is a christian holiday that has been around for ages, and I hear people talk about what it has turned into now??? what is that, trick or treating? costume parties and dances? Some people focus on occult stuff but the same could be said about anything we have, just because pagans are into nature does not mean a respect for nature is dangerous to a rational christian
 
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Even if it started out as an autumn festival, you've got to see what it's become today. For me that's enough to not celebrate it at all.

I've done research on it myself, not sure how you would sort out what is truth and what isn't because my information came from some pretty decent resources. It was awhile back, so I'd have to go search it out again and I really don't have the time to do that right now.
What halloween has become today is a fairly recent development in terms of history.

But if we are going to go with that argument, you'd also have to give up the rainbow as a symbol because it has become a symbol of evil and deception.
I don't think that we should give up things because the world has corrupted them, or has their own corrupted version of them.

As to what is true and what isn't. The first step is to look at the historical sources that are available. When someone tells you something about Halloween, try and find out what their source is for that information. Is the information available from historical sources?

Knowledge of history doesn't just appear. It is transmitted down through time. That means there is always a trail to follow if information is legitimate. If you can't find a source, or a trail, then in all likelihood the information is not ligetimate.
Further, in our day and age, so much information is accessible over the web, you can literally check historical sources and track academic sources on almost anything. Almost any major historical source document can be found online, and on top of that there are literally thousands upon thousands of secondary sources from objective sources talking about what is known on any given topic.


some common examples..

The word Samhain is often alleged to be the name of the celtic god of the dead (ie satan) to whom sacrifices were offered on Samhain (Halloween).

In fact, there is no known celtic god with the name samhain. The closest name among celtic legend is a minor hero named Saman, who has no connection to the dead or the underworld.
The word Samhain actually, most likely, is a derivation fo the compound word meaning "end of summer".

It is often stated that on Halloween the druids would go around to each house demanding tribute and if the tribute was not forth coming they would instead take a person from the house to sacrifice (this is supposedly the origin of "trick or treat")

In actual fact there is no historical record of human sacrifices being ascociated with Samhain, and there isn't even concrete evidence that the celts practiced human sacrifice. The commonly cited example from the Roman sources of burning prisoners of war alive in wicker cages is thought by many to actually have been a form of capitol punishment, not a form of ritual sacrifice.

It is commonly stated that samhain was a time of fear and trepidation when the people were terrified by spirits and ghosts roaming abroad.
In actual fact, the celt believed that times of transition were spiritually powerful. The transition from day to night at dusk, from night to day at dawn, from summer into winter at Samhain and from winter into summer at Beltain. The celts believed that at such times the veil between the spirit world and our world was "thin" and it was easier for spirits to cross over.
This, however, was not viewed as a time of fright, and terror. On the night of Samhain, it was believed that the spirits of a person's family (both those from the past and those from the future, yet to be born) could come to visit and basically check up on their relatives.
This was followed by a feast the next night called the feast of the dead, when all of the people would celebrate their ancestry and remember the great deeds of their family and tribe by telling the stories of their people etc.

This was actually a time of hope and drawing together in the face of on comming winter. Reminding each other that they all belonged to a family community that had survived for centuries and would continue beyond their own life times.

There are obviously pagan elements involved there, because the people were pagan and religion seeps into everything... we have only forgotten that because the prevailing religion of our day is secular humanism which presents the illusion that it is not religious.
When the people became Christian, those traditions changed over time as their Christian beliefs impacted their traditions. Rather than believing that their ancestors, and their descendants were able to visit them on that day, they used that day to remember that in Christ we are always in the company of a great host of saints.

I am not saying that everyone should go trick or treating (though I like candy and costumes more than most) but I think we should reclaim the heretige of the day and use it for what was and is a very worthy purpose.
One of the greatest problems in our society today is the disconnection people feel from others, from friends, family, community. We need to remember that we are part of something greater and we are members of a community.
 
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We haven't participated in Halloween as our children have grown up. We have always removed our sons from school during their Halloween party. We took them to do something else fun so that they didn't that being a Christian was no fun.
 
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I didn't like the choices. I don't like the wording about celebrating as long as you call it something else. This insinuates that you are really celebrating it. I really don't think it's good to have any part of it, but our church does have a Hallelujah party with games, and a gospel presentation for children. I have mixed feelings about it but, I think that if they are presenting the Gospel, and glorifying God with it, then it is good. If it is basically a halloween party that is just called something else,but nothing that really brings glory to God, or separates it from your standard halloween celebration, then it doesn't sit as well with me.

As far as the right or wrongness of halloween, I think Green Munchkin said it well. I knew immediately after the Lord called me out of darkness that it was something that I would not participate in. It is a celebration of darkness, and I don't have to look in the past or decipher its origin to see that. The Holy Spirit inside me showed me this right away without even a second thought.
 
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