Regardless of when we celebrate Christmas, it is still the celebration of Christ's birth.WayMan said:
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I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what do your feelings of being ripped off have to do with the topic of whether or not to celebrate halloween?
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LovingMother said:
Nothing at all, I was responding to your statement, which was...
.."Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Easter is the celebration of His rising"
Don't blame me for changeing the subject, it was you that brought it up.
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Please don't quote me out of context. That statement was in the context of the subject.WayMan said:
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I mentioned Christmas in the context of the subject. It was you who took it out of the context of the subject. Can we get back to the subject now, please?WayMan said:
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LovingMother said:
I replied to your statement in the context of the subject, you also made the statement....
.... "Halloween is not just a big costume party; it has it's roots in the pagan religeon and I just don't want my children celebrating a pagan holiday."
It is well within the context of the subject to point out that christmas also "has it's roots in the pagan religeon"
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Christmas does not have its roots in the pagan religion. The root of Christmas is Christ's birth. My point was that Halloween does not have the foundation of a Christian event whereas Christmas and Easter do.
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The christians hijacked a celebration many thousands of years old as the time of the birth of Jesus even when none of them knew when Jesus's birthday was. When you celebrate christmas with your children, you are endorsing the theft of an ancient celebration of something real that is of great significance.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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When I celebrate Christmas with my children I am celebrating the birth of our savior, Christ. There is nothing pagan in celebrating the the birth of Christ. I have nothing to be ashamed of in celebrating the birth of Christ.WayMan said:
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" There is nothing pagan in celebrating the the birth of Christ. "
There is when you are doing it at the time of ancient pagan celebrations. They had the time of their celebrations spot on, whereas christians do not even have a clue, so they hijack someone elses instead.
There is when you are doing it at the time of ancient pagan celebrations. They had the time of their celebrations spot on, whereas christians do not even have a clue, so they hijack someone elses instead.
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No, we don't know exactly when Jesus was born. Should Christians not celebrate the birth of Christ based on that?WayMan said:
The Catholic church may very well have chosen a date to celebrate near a pagan holiday as they had been known to do. However, I am not Catholic. I do not hold myself accountable for the actions of the Catholic church just as I do not hold myself accountable for the terrible acts of slavery and the slaughter of Native Americans that were perpetrated by Americans who came before me.
However, it is believed that the three wise men found Jesus somewhere around the end of December or beginning of January. I accept the date of December 25 to honor the birth of Jesus because that falls within the time frame of the three wise men arriving to honor His birth. My decision to honor Christ on December 25 has nothing to do with anything pagan.
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We can guess when he was born.
http://www.bbie.org/english/Study09TheWorkofJesus/D29WasJesusBornOnDec25.html
By a few peoples estimates, it was sometime in September/October.
http://www.bbie.org/english/Study09TheWorkofJesus/D29WasJesusBornOnDec25.html
By a few peoples estimates, it was sometime in September/October.
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Yes, that is one view. Some others believe that Jesus was born sometime in the spring. There is no consensus, unfortunately.
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The Fireman
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Yes the Catholic Church chose the date to celebrate the feast of the birth of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And yes the date does coincide with the "pagan" festival.
This is how the Catholic Church chose to "change" a society. And yes the Church did it on purpose.
No one in the Church ever really believed that Dec. 25 was the day. It was just the holiday (holy day) that the Church decided to have our Christ's Mass(Christmas). So if you are really celebrating Christmas then you are going to Mass on Dec. 25th. If you are not going to Mass then you are not celebrating Christmas (Christ's Mass), but you may still be celebrating the birth of Jesus. If you want to get technical.
Oh yeah if you are celebrating the winter solstice then you are not celebrating anything having to do with Christ except for His creation which is actually very worthy of a festival.
And we ought to all be able to do this on the very same day and still live in harmony!
PS. I bet if you were talking about YOUR church you wouldn't of used the slavery and slaughter of Native Americans as an analogy. I'm just betting.
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Halloween, is a time to remember those who have gone ahead, clean up a gravesite, pay some respects to deceased loved ones. A time to spend with family handing out candy and having fun. Just because a bunch of Pagans came up with the idea doesn't mean it's sinful or wrong. It was Pagans who came up with the idea of democracy, I don't see you shuning democracy in favor of some more Biblical form of government. 
As for Christmas... Those Pagan astrologers you refer to as wise men may have located Jesus around December, however that doesn't change the fact that: Yule logs, Christmas trees, lights, presents, pretty much everything except that little nativity scene some people set up is of 100% Pagan origen. Easter is even named after the Pagan Godess of spring, Ostara. Easter egg hunts, fertile little easter bunnies even the sunrise celebration of this rite of spring is Pagan in origen.
At first I thought Christians running around acting like anything that is/was/has been Pagan has the cooties was sort of funny. Now I think it's just plain sad.
As for Christmas... Those Pagan astrologers you refer to as wise men may have located Jesus around December, however that doesn't change the fact that: Yule logs, Christmas trees, lights, presents, pretty much everything except that little nativity scene some people set up is of 100% Pagan origen. Easter is even named after the Pagan Godess of spring, Ostara. Easter egg hunts, fertile little easter bunnies even the sunrise celebration of this rite of spring is Pagan in origen.
At first I thought Christians running around acting like anything that is/was/has been Pagan has the cooties was sort of funny. Now I think it's just plain sad.
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The Fireman
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From my point of view, I couldn't agree more.ACougar said:Halloween, is a time to remember those who have gone ahead, clean up a gravesite, pay some respects to deceased loved ones. A time to spend with family handing out candy and having fun. Just because a bunch of Pagans came up with the idea doesn't mean it's sinful or wrong. It was Pagans who came up with the idea of democracy, I don't see you shuning democracy in favor of some more Biblical form of government.
As for Christmas... Those Pagan astrologers you refer to as wise men may have located Jesus around December, however that doesn't change the fact that: Yule logs, Christmas trees, lights, presents, pretty much everything except that little nativity scene some people set up is of 100% Pagan origen. Easter is even named after the Pagan Godess of spring, Ostara. Easter egg hunts, fertile little easter bunnies even the sunrise celebration of this rite of spring is Pagan in origen.
At first I thought Christians running around acting like anything that is/was/has been Pagan has the cooties was sort of funny. Now I think it's just plain sad.
The Fireman
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The analogy had nothing to do with which church I was refferring to. It had to do with things I have been expected to be accountable for. I had nothing to do with the choosing of which date Christians use to celebrate Christmas, yet I am often berrated for celebrating around a pagan holiday. I also had nothing to do with slavery or the slaughter of Native Americans but have been berrated for these thing as well because I am a white American.The Fireman said:
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I also agree.ACougar said:Halloween, is a time to remember those who have gone ahead, clean up a gravesite, pay some respects to deceased loved ones. A time to spend with family handing out candy and having fun. Just because a bunch of Pagans came up with the idea doesn't mean it's sinful or wrong. It was Pagans who came up with the idea of democracy, I don't see you shuning democracy in favor of some more Biblical form of government.
As for Christmas... Those Pagan astrologers you refer to as wise men may have located Jesus around December, however that doesn't change the fact that: Yule logs, Christmas trees, lights, presents, pretty much everything except that little nativity scene some people set up is of 100% Pagan origen. Easter is even named after the Pagan Godess of spring, Ostara. Easter egg hunts, fertile little easter bunnies even the sunrise celebration of this rite of spring is Pagan in origen.
At first I thought Christians running around acting like anything that is/was/has been Pagan has the cooties was sort of funny. Now I think it's just plain sad.
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