Halal Explained

[WoodrowX2]

Salaam Alaikum. It may have been conscious, but it didn't seem to be in any pain. Also, prior to being shot, it had no idea what was happening and wasn't in any distress.

I would argue that the pig showed a lot less distress than the animal in the video below, which also didn't die right away after having its throat slit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0BWeGLpvdc&list=UUrVL2SyfR0a7d00xgoY_fGQ

I would argue that the man in the video below did a superb job in slaughtering his chicken. The chicken did not seem to be in any pain or distress, and was unconscious long before it was slaughtered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0heIXFNypg

Below is a video taken from a Halal live poultry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89tnJquFXFY

I would argue that in both cases the animals did not suffer much, but the non-Muslim butcher was far more successful in ensuring his chicken did not feel any discomfort when it was put to death. It seemed asleep when its head was taken off, whereas some of those in the halal store struggled before and a bit after their throats were slit.

Does this mean that Muslim slaughter of animals is cruel and inhumane and that when non-Muslims do it, the animals don't suffer?

Of course not.

It depends on the experience, and I would also add, compassion of the butcher. I think there are many ways to humanely kill animals that we eat, and that these means should be employed. Both Muslims and non-Muslims can be very humane, or very inhumane, when they slaughter animals.

I wouldn't argue that either halal or kosher or other forms of slaughter are more humane than others. The goal should be to ensure that the animal suffers as little as possible. That can be- and is done- in a variety of ways, by people of all backgrounds who slaughter animals for meat.

My only concern is the second video with the goat. that was the most botched up zabiah slaughter I have ever seen. There were dogs barking in the back ground, there were too may people present, scaring the day lights out of the poor goat. Numerous other issues including the knife did not appear to be sharp enough. the goat was not allowed to settle down and be in a state of rest Several other things. sadly when not done properly any slaughter can be more traumatic than it should be.

 

[wn123455]

UK: KFC customer told: “You can’t have bacon here, we’re ‘halal’-compliant” | BARE NAKED ISLAM

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I agree with you that when animals are slaughtered, it should be quick and painless.

The video below, unlike what you posted, does show the actual killing of a hog. The animal is shot in the head and then its throat is slit.

Although, naturally, there is a lot of blood, there is no fear on the part of the animal, or even awareness for that matter of what is happening. Interestingly, the other pigs in the enclosure don't seem to panic at all or even notice what took place.

I think that butchers, whether they are Muslims or Jews or Christians or atheists or people of other beliefs... anyone who kills an animal for food... should do it in the quickest and least painful way possible.

I would not favor shooting an animal first if it is possible to kill it without doing so. That would just introduce more pain. Another reason is that if the shot animal dies before being slaughtered in the Islaamic manner, then we can't eat it. The same problem exists with stunning in that it may give the animal unnecessary more pain and/or the animal might die before the proper slaughter.

In another one of their videos (i.e. the people who filmed the video I posted), they say that their rules are to offer water to the animal (a common practice of most Muslim slaughterers), to slaughter animals away from each other, to not allow the animal to see the knife, to send panicked animals back outside to the herd, and to use sharp knives. They show the animals they slaughter as much compassion as can be given to an animal that will end up as food.

 

[LoAmmi]

UK: KFC customer told: “You can’t have bacon here, we’re ‘halal’-compliant” | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Brace yoursel. In most fast food places in Israel.... You can't get bacon either! Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn

 

[WoodrowX2]

Brace yoursel. In most fast food places in Israel.... You can't get bacon either! Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn

It isn't just in Kosher and Halal restaurants you can't find bacon.

It's even hard to find in Vegetarian Restaurants and Sea food restaurants.

Come to think of it what business does bacon have to be in a KFC, A chicken place? that is about like pulling up to the Drive -thru at MacDonalds and ordering a Pizza.

 

[wn123455]

Brace yoursel. In most fast food places in Israel.... You can't get bacon either! Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn

I do not live in Israel so I do not know much about fast food places in Israel.

 

[Lollerskates]

It is/nt just Kosher and Halal restaurants you can't find bacon.

It's even hard to find in Vegetarian Restaurants and Sea food restaurants.

Come to think of it what business does bacon have to be in a KFC, A chicken place? that is about like pulling up to the Drive -thru at MacDonalds and ordering a Pizza.

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but Halal/Kosher food is also about humanely slaughtering animals. In the bible, God tells them to touch the forehead of the animal first. Native Americans "thank" the beasts they caught before they eat it. There is an air of respect when killing animals - except in the West.


KFC is one of the worst venders for chicken, as their farms vertically farm chicken, and they keep their chickens in squalor. The chickens are full of parasites from living in their neighbors' excrement, and their meat is full of fear, stress, and depression hormones. Most fast food chains are horrible to eat from. The meat may taste "good," but the chemistry of what you are ingesting into your body will harm, or even kill you.

Personally, I understand the scientific/medical reasons why God said, "Do not even touch the carcas (of a swine.)" It only takes 2 - 4 hours before a dead swine's parasites permeate through the skin of the flesh. More protein? Well, some parasites survive 400F+ temperatures. I don't understand why people think God's word is a burden. Do you really like shrimp and bacon that much to risk the health effects? Science has vindicated God's Leviticus word, if that were even possible.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but Halal/Kosher food is also about humanely slaughtering animals. In the bible, God tells them to touch the forehead of the animal first. Native Americans "thank" the beasts they caught before they eat it. There is an air of respect when killing animals - except in the West.

Odd you should mention that. My wife is Native American as was my deceased wife. I have lived among the Lakotah, Cheyenne and Cherokee for a large part of my life.

There are similarities between the Islamic and Native American treatment of animals.

It is not just about humanely slaughtering it is also raising them under the best conditions possible. We do respect the fact we are taking the life of one of God(swt)'s creature and we should treat it with love out of gratitude for what we are getting from it. There should be no joy in slaughtering an animal we should feel pain for having to take the life of a creature we have become attached to. That is why we call it a sacrifice. Our sacrifice is the feeling of loss for a creature we have grown fond of.

 

[TG123]

I would not favor shooting an animal first if it is possible to kill it without doing so. That would just introduce more pain. Another reason is that if the shot animal dies before being slaughtered in the Islaamic manner, then we can't eat it. The same problem exists with stunning in that it may give the animal unnecessary more pain and/or the animal might die before the proper slaughter.

In another one of their videos (i.e. the people who filmed the video I posted), they say that their rules are to offer water to the animal (a common practice of most Muslim slaughterers), to slaughter animals away from each other, to not allow the animal to see the knife, to send panicked animals back outside to the herd, and to use sharp knives. They show the animals they slaughter as much compassion as can be given to an animal that will end up as food.

Salaam Alaikum. I understand that Islam teaches Muslims to slaughter animals a certain way, and that this way is intended to be as quick and painless as possible. I also understand that for the meat to be halal, the animal must be killed in a certain way. I understand and respect that.

All that I am saying, is that I don't think halal slaughter should be touted as being more "humane" than other forms. Both Muslims and non-Muslims who care about animals they eat kill them with the intention of causing as little suffering as possible. There are many humane ways to kill animals for food.

I don't think it is more cruel to stun or shoot an animal before slaughtering it, or that it is more cruel to just use a knife. It depends on how skilled the butcher is, on how calm the animal is, and on how much care the butcher has for the animal he or she is killing.

The pig that was shot and then had its throat cut in the video I presented did not show any more pain than the sheep slaughtered by Muslims in the second video, and was actually more calm and not flailing around or trying to escape. The people from the video you showed demonstrated how calmly an animal can be prepared to be killed, they reminded me of the chicken farmer.

As a Christian, I am under no obligation to kill animals one way or the other for food. God does say in the Bible that He does care for His creation and that humans are to be stewards, so I would not want to subject the animal I am killing (if I was a butcher) to any unnecessary pain, either. I would want it to be calm and not be afraid before it died, and to die quickly and painlessly when it was time for slaughter. Both the video you posted of the Muslim man demonstrating how he gets goats ready for slaughter and the two videos I posted (man who slaughtered a pig and man who slaughtered a chicken), show examples of how animals can, and in my opinion, should, be killed. Both the Muslim and non-Muslim men showed great care and compassion in killing the animals. I think this is what is important. Whatever method is proven to be most compassionate- knife, bullet, electric jolt- I would support using.

I think it is good also how Muslim butchers thank God before killing the animal. I would do the same if I was in that profession. I don't think though that this has any effect on how much suffering an animal will or will not undergo before it ends up on our dinner table.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

About 15% of its content was what you call 'pink slime' (never most of it) and it was as big a problem with the lean hamburger we bought in the grocery store as it was with fast food. Ground beef with a fattier content never had it, it was used to make hamburger leaner. It got such bad publicity that most of the plants that produce it shut down. McDonad's stopped allowing any pink slime in their burgers two years ago.

ORLY?

Hamburger chef Jamie Oliver proves McDonald's burgers "Unfit for human consumption" -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

 

[wn123455]

ORLY?

Hamburger chef Jamie Oliver proves McDonald's burgers "Unfit for human consumption" -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

McDonalds is one of the cheapest fast food where I live. The burgers in McDonalds are much cheaper than KFC's chicken burgers or Burger King's burgers. I suppose I could just buy the burger patties in the supermarket but that would probably be as equally unhealthy and I will have to cook them. If I want a quick cheap meal I would just go to McDonalds.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

McDonalds is one of the cheapest fast food where I live. The burgers in McDonalds are much cheaper than KFC's chicken burgers or Burger King's burgers. I suppose I could just buy the burger patties in the supermarket but that would probably be as equally unhealthy and I will have to cook them. If I want a quick cheap meal I would just go to McDonalds.

And it's that kind of attitude that makes terrible production methods and food scandals possible to begin with:

People who do not care what they are being served as long as it is as cheap as possible.

It's easy to point solely at the corporations and what's going on behind the closed doors of their factories, shifting all of the blame on them and feigning innocence.
And sure, there is some deception involved when supermarket meat features nice drawings of idyllic farm houses or smiling cartoon animals on the package. Consumers HAVE been estranged from food production to such a degree that many people no longer draw the connection between a pack of meat at the supermarket and a live animal suffering in an industrialized meat factory.
Perhaps it is a kind of trained immaturity, but nonetheless, it IS possible to inform yourself. Even if you do not care about animals suffering needlessly, there are other issues involved: meat contaminated with fecal bacteria, growth hormones, antibiotics (and resistant germs), or all sorts of poisonous or carcinogenic chemicals that are being used to disinfect the product as much as possible.

 

[wn123455]

And it's that kind of attitude that makes terrible production methods and food scandals possible to begin with:

People who do not care what they are being served as long as it is as cheap as possible.

It's easy to point solely at the corporations and what's going on behind the closed doors of their factories, shifting all of the blame on them and feigning innocence.
And sure, there is some deception involved when supermarket meat features nice drawings of idyllic farm houses or smiling cartoon animals on the package. Consumers HAVE been estranged from food production to such a degree that many people no longer draw the connection between a pack of meat at the supermarket and a live animal suffering in an industrialized meat factory.
Perhaps it is a kind of trained immaturity, but nonetheless, it IS possible to inform yourself. Even if you do not care about animals suffering needlessly, there are other issues involved: meat contaminated with fecal bacteria, growth hormones, antibiotics (and resistant germs), or all sorts of poisonous or carcinogenic chemicals that are being used to disinfect the product as much as possible.

Not everyone is rich. I only have McDonalds maybe once every 2 weeks anyway.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Not everyone is rich.

True.

I am not rich. I get by on a post-graduate student's salary, and so does my partner. With our pooled resources, we get by with less than 2000€ per month - and yet that does not stop us from staying away from junk food, buying our electricity from a company that invests heavily in renewable energies, and even donating a small sum to several charities.

And burger Joints are pretty darn expensive, even if they *look* cheap at first glance.

 

[smaneck]

buying our electricity from a company that invests heavily in renewable energies,

You have a choice where you buy your electricity?

 

[wn123455]

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[smaneck]

The burgers in McDonalds are much cheaper than KFC's chicken burgers or Burger King's burgers.

Who would eat a burger at KFC anyhow? Two pieces of dark meat please, and a corn on the cob.

 

[smaneck]

CBN just loves those conspiracy theories don't they?

 

[wn123455]

CBN just loves those conspiracy theories don't they?

BDS activists boycott Israeli products. So what is wrong with supporting the boycott of halal products and islamist businesses.

 

[smaneck]

BDS activists boycott Israeli products. So what is wrong with supporting the boycott of halal products and islamist businesses.

Why would you be eating halal if you aren't a Muslim in the first place? I don't eat kosher or halal. The food cost more. And personally I don't know any Islamist businesses. I suppose you can boycott those bookstores calling Ataturk a Jew if you like. I once bought some halal goat when I invited a bunch of Muslim students to my house to break the Ramadan fast. I special ordered it from a butcher's stall run by an Arab in the outdoor market in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Aside from eating at Mughalai restaurants in India, that's probably the only occasion when I've eaten halal. Except of course, for foods which are halal by definition as Woodrow says.