Halal Explained

[LoAmmi]

Tell me, were the anti-semitic books arguing that Jews were really Khazar Turks?

The Khazars | Jewish Virtual Library

I always like how the people who latch onto that particular idea never account for the Sephardic Jews who couldn't possibly be Khazar.

 

[smaneck]

I always like how the people who latch onto that particular idea never account for the Sephardic Jews who couldn't possibly be Khazar.

That black supremacist website which wn directed us to indicated that Sephardic Jews were also Khazars.
I used to give some credence that Ashkenazi Jews might be at least partly Khazars since we do know that their territory included Eastern Europe, but the DNA studies which demonstrate the close affinity of even Ashkenazi Jews with Palestinians, etc. persuaded me otherwise. As the saying goes, DNA doesn't lie.

However, if Palestinians and Jews are both Turks . . .

 

[LoAmmi]

That black supremacist website which wn directed us to indicated that Sephardic Jews were also Khazars.

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Yes. That makes complete sense. In bizarro world.

 

[gord44]

About 15% of its content was what you call 'pink slime' (never most of it) and it was as big a problem with the lean hamburger we bought in the grocery store as it was with fast food. Ground beef with a fattier content never had it, it was used to make hamburger leaner. It got such bad publicity that most of the plants that produce it shut down. McDonad's stopped allowing any pink slime in their burgers two years ago.

None of that ever bothered me. I love McDonalds. Someone emailed me a pic of that 'slime' and I went and ate McDonalds that day, without a care hehe.

I don't eat it all the time though. Lately I have enjoyed their Filet o Fish sandwich.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

This video is relevant. Please watch all of it, I think it's worth it. Don't worry, no animals are slaughtered in it:

[youtube]dU3O5rykwe4[/youtube]


Even if you don't believe in what he's saying, though I do, you can clearly see that the animals are calm. I can personally attest to the animals responding in this way as long as they aren't mistreated or see another animal being slaughtered. This is the way I hope all of the animals whose meat I eat are slaughtered.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

None of that ever bothered me. I love McDonalds. Someone emailed me a pic of that 'slime' and I went and ate McDonalds that day, without a care hehe.

I don't eat it all the time though. Lately I have enjoyed their Filet o Fish sandwich.

I wrote a poem (Fast Food Junkie) about my days when I'd routinely drive to McDonalds to get my fix. A Quarter pounder with cheese was my high, not sure how much pink slime was used in UK burgers at the time, but we had our very own mad cows!!

 

[TG123]

This video is relevant. Please watch all of it, I think it's worth it. Don't worry, no animals are slaughtered in it:

[youtube]dU3O5rykwe4[/youtube]


Even if you don't believe in what he's saying, though I do, you can clearly see that the animals are calm. I can personally attest to the animals responding in this way as long as they aren't mistreated or see another animal being slaughtered. This is the way I hope all of the animals whose meat I eat are slaughtered.

I agree with you that when animals are slaughtered, it should be quick and painless.

The video below, unlike what you posted, does show the actual killing of a hog. The animal is shot in the head and then its throat is slit.

Although, naturally, there is a lot of blood, there is no fear on the part of the animal, or even awareness for that matter of what is happening. Interestingly, the other pigs in the enclosure don't seem to panic at all or even notice what took place.

Humane killing of hog - YouTube

I think that butchers, whether they are Muslims or Jews or Christians or atheists or people of other beliefs... anyone who kills an animal for food... should do it in the quickest and least painful way possible.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I agree with you that when animals are slaughtered, it should be quick and painless.

The video below, unlike what you posted, does show the actual killing of a hog. The animal is shot in the head and then its throat is slit.

Although, naturally, there is a lot of blood, there is no fear on the part of the animal, or even awareness for that matter of what is happening. Interestingly, the other pigs in the enclosure don't seem to panic at all or even notice what took place.

Humane killing of hog - YouTube

I think that butchers, whether they are Muslims or Jews or Christians or atheists or people of other beliefs... anyone who kills an animal for food... should do it in the quickest and least painful way possible.

The pig did not look very dead when it got up on it's fore legs and raised it's head after having it's Jugular cut. True it might be dazed, but it did not look unconscious.

 

[LoAmmi]

I agree with you that when animals are slaughtered, it should be quick and painless.

The video below, unlike what you posted, does show the actual killing of a hog. The animal is shot in the head and then its throat is slit.

Although, naturally, there is a lot of blood, there is no fear on the part of the animal, or even awareness for that matter of what is happening. Interestingly, the other pigs in the enclosure don't seem to panic at all or even notice what took place.

Humane killing of hog - YouTube

I think that butchers, whether they are Muslims or Jews or Christians or atheists or people of other beliefs... anyone who kills an animal for food... should do it in the quickest and least painful way possible.

Well, we couldn't shoot an animal in its head and then slit its throat. That would go against what the Lord told us to do.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

This video is relevant. Please watch all of it, I think it's worth it. Don't worry, no animals are slaughtered in it:

[youtube]dU3O5rykwe4[/youtube]


Even if you don't believe in what he's saying, though I do, you can clearly see that the animals are calm. I can personally attest to the animals responding in this way as long as they aren't mistreated or see another animal being slaughtered. This is the way I hope all of the animals whose meat I eat are slaughtered.

No I don't believe what he is saying. Animals respond to attack (yes they see us as predators) and if they are caught and subdued they respond by mimicking being dead. That said I'd agree that their trance like state would be best for a less traumatic killing.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUjZUIJ5lg

 

[Eyes wide Open]

I agree with you that when animals are slaughtered, it should be quick and painless.

The video below, unlike what you posted, does show the actual killing of a hog. The animal is shot in the head and then its throat is slit.

Although, naturally, there is a lot of blood, there is no fear on the part of the animal, or even awareness for that matter of what is happening. Interestingly, the other pigs in the enclosure don't seem to panic at all or even notice what took place.

Humane killing of hog - YouTube

I think that butchers, whether they are Muslims or Jews or Christians or atheists or people of other beliefs... anyone who kills an animal for food... should do it in the quickest and least painful way possible.

I think a bullet is a ineffectual way of killing. The skull casing of a pig is tough and a bullet can easily deflect away to a non killing location. I think the bolt is used in slaughter because its quick and effective, multiple kills per hour, per day, per week and so on. The bolt is more effective at penetrating the skull and rendering the animal unconscious, although in the mass produced process many misses occur. Also the conditions the animal was kept in, its transportation to
Slaughter and what it was fed are all part of the process as suffering is not dependant on killing alone.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Well, we couldn't shoot an animal in its head and then slit its throat. That would go against what the Lord told us to do.

Likewise neither could I, as my lord told me any unneeded killing was an uncompassionate act.

 

[LoAmmi]

Likewise neither could I, as my lord told me any unneeded killing was an uncompassionate act.

Even if we were to be vegetarians, we would still need to slaughter animals for some of our ritual items and for the lamb shank at Pesach. Also, since we eat the meat, I don't see it as "unneeded killing".

 

[awitch]

So assuming they can improve the flavor a bit, what's everyone's take on lab-cultured meat?

 

[gord44]

Also the conditions the animal was kept in, its transportation to
Slaughter and what it was fed are all part of the process as suffering is not dependant on killing alone.

Indeed. That concerns me almost more then the slaughter and why I avoid store bought chicken now. A guy who used to work for me worked at a poultry farm prior. Nasty stuff.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Even if we were to be vegetarians, we would still need to slaughter animals for some of our ritual items and for the lamb shank at Pesach. Also, since we eat the meat, I don't see it as "unneeded killing".

So you've identified a need. I'm not a Jew so I don't need to follow those guidelines.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Indeed. That concerns me almost more then the slaughter and why I avoid store bought chicken now. A guy who used to work for me worked at a poultry farm prior. Nasty stuff.

Three family's I know chip in and keep two calves on one of the families side paddocks to graze for 12 months. It cost $300 each per family for the two calves and about $200 each for supplementary hay etc. The mobile Butcher comes after that time and the three families have meat and all the cuts for about 8 months, longer if they go sparingly. The kids are not keen though as they bond with the cows. The upshot is organic beef, free from any additives and injected chemicals.

 

[TG123]

The pig did not look very dead when it got up on it's fore legs and raised it's head after having it's Jugular cut. True it might be dazed, but it did not look unconscious.

Salaam Alaikum. It may have been conscious, but it didn't seem to be in any pain. Also, prior to being shot, it had no idea what was happening and wasn't in any distress.

I would argue that the pig showed a lot less distress than the animal in the video below, which also didn't die right away after having its throat slit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0BWeGLpvdc&list=UUrVL2SyfR0a7d00xgoY_fGQ

I would argue that the man in the video below did a superb job in slaughtering his chicken. The chicken did not seem to be in any pain or distress, and was unconscious long before it was slaughtered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0heIXFNypg

Below is a video taken from a Halal live poultry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89tnJquFXFY

I would argue that in both cases the animals did not suffer much, but the non-Muslim butcher was far more successful in ensuring his chicken did not feel any discomfort when it was put to death. It seemed asleep when its head was taken off, whereas some of those in the halal store struggled before and a bit after their throats were slit.

Does this mean that Muslim slaughter of animals is cruel and inhumane and that when non-Muslims do it, the animals don't suffer?

Of course not.

It depends on the experience, and I would also add, compassion of the butcher. I think there are many ways to humanely kill animals that we eat, and that these means should be employed. Both Muslims and non-Muslims can be very humane, or very inhumane, when they slaughter animals.

I wouldn't argue that either halal or kosher or other forms of slaughter are more humane than others. The goal should be to ensure that the animal suffers as little as possible. That can be- and is done- in a variety of ways, by people of all backgrounds who slaughter animals for meat.

 

[TG123]

Well, we couldn't shoot an animal in its head and then slit its throat. That would go against what the Lord told us to do.

Shalom.

Can you please show me where it is specified that animals cannot be shot before having their throats cut? Where is it specified how animals are to be killed to begin with?

Thanks.

 

[TG123]

So assuming they can improve the flavor a bit, what's everyone's take on lab-cultured meat?

If the flavour can be improved and the price driven down, and it is healthy, then I say why not?