Hal Lindsey Report

[Easystreet]

That's right! There is no "that" in the verse we are talking about . . . . instead of "that generation" it says "this generation" and the word "THIS" provides a very important contextual clue as to which generation He was referring to exactly.

The use of "THIS" in this verse instead of "THAT" means He was referring to the immediate, proximal, generation . . . not some distant generation thousands of years removed from Jesus and His audience. . .

Again, an example of the use of "this" and "that"

Take 2 pens.

Put one pen down on a table.

Walk across the room.

Hold the other pen in your hand.

Now say "This pen" . . which pen are you referring to?

Now say "That pen" . . which pen are you referring to?



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You are wrong. This generation Jesus spoke of has a host of signs it will be apart of and experience. It seems you refuse to acknowledge this.

If we take your approach then you have to dissect and deny the context.

The "This" near demonstrative Pronoun speak to the specific generation that will be living when the things mentioned take place.

It is not rocket science just plain common contextual sense.

 

[thereselittleflower]

You are wrong. This generation Jesus spoke of has a host of signs it will be apart of and experience. It seems you refuse to acknowledge this.

If we take your approach then you have to dissect and deny the context.

The "This" near demonstrative Pronoun speak to the specific generation that will be living when the things mentioned take place.

It is not rocket science just plain common contextual sense.

Gordon, I totally disagree.

I have already provided evidence to support my position. Simply stating that I am wrong does not actually deal with the evidence.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

You are wrong. This generation Jesus spoke of has a host of signs it will be apart of and experience. It seems you refuse to acknowledge this.

If we take your approach then you have to dissect and deny the context.

The "This" near demonstrative Pronoun speak to the specific generation that will be living when the things mentioned take place.

It is not rocket science just plain common contextual sense.

Hi. Don't need rocket science to know how Jesus and Paul both felt about the corrupt Judean rulers.

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/lazarus.htm

John 8:22 Said then the Judeans, "no-any he shall be killing Himself, that He is saying, 'Whither I go am going away, ye are not able to be coming?' [Lazarus and Rich Man?]
23 and He said to them, "Ye are out of the beneath, I am out of the above. Ye are out of this, the world; I am not out of the world, this.

John 14:30 Not still much I shall be talking much with ye, for is coming/ercetai <2064> the, of the world, Chief/arcwn <758>, and in Me not he is having anything;

John 18:3 The then Judas getting the detachment and out of the chief-priests/arc-ierewn <749> and out of the Pharisees, officers, is coming/ercetai <2064> there thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;

 

[marke]

Errors and failures made by one of the more radical dispensationalists prove nothing.

Hal Lindsey, though a dispensationalist, has made errors simply because he has an incorrect approach to eschatology. He said in "The Late Great Planet Earth" that the key to prophecy is current events. This is backwards. The key to current events is prophecy.

Sure it proves something. The guy is not a prophet
of God. Prophets don't get it wrong.

Instead, this false prophet has you all waiting with expectations and baited breath for events leading to the second coming when he doesn't have any more of a clue than the Lord Jesus who said only the father knows the moment.

Taking the time to read the New Testament would be more profitable. This is always a good place for review:

2Pe 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him

2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).
2Pe 3:17 Therefore, beloved, knowing beforehand, beware lest being led away with the error of the lawless, you fall from your own steadfastness.

2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

The knowledge of our Lord is found in the New Testament, not on a website of a false prophet.

Something to think about.

God Bless

 

[marke]

Amen, Biblewriter,

Men like Lindsey and those who are willing to market the gospel for money, like the authors of the left behind series, are harmful to sound doctrine, but unfortunately, they are the standard by which dispensationalists are judged.

Only because you won't stand up and say "Hey, wait a minute, these people don't speak for us".

In view of your silence, they ARE Dispensationalism defined and YOU are part of them whether you like it or not.

Something to think about. Do you really want to be included in the same boat as them? I wouldn't.

Balls in your court. Define yourself or let them define you for the world.

God bless

 

[marke]

Perhaps the greatest damage has been through the 1988 false prophecy of the false interpretation of 'this generation' in Matthew.


&#8220;When the Jewish people, after nearly 2,000 years of exile, under relentless persecution, became a nation again on 14 May, 1948 the &#8220;fig tree&#8221; put forth its first leaves. Jesus said that this would indicate that He was &#8220;at the door,&#8221; ready to return. Then He said, &#8220;Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.&#8221; (Matthew 24:34 NASB). Obviously, in the generation that would see the signs &#8212; chief among them the rebirth of Israel. A generation in the Bible is something like forty years. If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place. Many scholars who studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so. (The Late Great Planet Earth, pp. 53-54).

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Ouch, people.

What is it that Jesus came to defeat? Death.

So when He says.... &#8220;Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.&#8221; (Matthew 24:34 NASB), Jesus once again spoke the truth.

Death is no longer a concern. You can live without fear. Remember in The Revelation a place where there are zillions of souls? They didn't pass away. That generation and all others since then are in waiting. The second coming will come exactly when the Father wants it to happen.

It boggles the mind that so much time and effort by people of this forum is spent trying to time the event when Jesus Himself was not concerned.

Trust God. The world is unfolding exactly as it should. Your vote is not needed, but your compassion toward the poor is. Pray that God's will is done and that He extends more mercy toward you than you are willing to extend to others.

Read the New Testament. The truth will set you free.

God Bless

 

[marke]

All classical dispensationalists reject all date setting as unscriptural, based on these passages:

Matthew 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:2But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

But every movement has a radical fringe. We cannot accept responsibility for what they do or say.

No, but you can call them out and tell the world they don't speak for you. You ARE responsible for their actions by your silence.

I note many on this forum have no problem lumping all of Islam together as "radical" even though their own people refute wrong actions.

To remain silent, you become one of them by default. How did you state it... "fringe".

No wonder Islam is growing.
They have the courage to stand up for their beliefs instead of let others define them.

Something to think about.

God bless.

 

[marke]

Failed prophecies:

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1524: Manyastrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1832?: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]

14: "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:"​

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[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]15: "Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]16: "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]17: "I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." 14[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:

"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old." 17​

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[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob. Note that his prophecy is ambiguous. It can be interpreted that:[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Jesus would return during 1890 (which did not materialize) or that[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]1890 would pass without Jesus' return (which did come to pass). [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Some anti-Mormon sources quote only verses 14 and 15, and draw the former conclusion -- that Smith's prophecy failed.[/FONT]

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Now that was some serious work!

I think you could have stopped at the first one however; About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving.

Didn't Jesus tell us not to look here and there because the Kingdom of Heaven is within? He did tell us that and the process arrives as your faith in the teachings grows.

If you actually seek to conform yourself to the teachings of Jesus, the Prince of Peace grows within you. If you lie, hate, cheat the poor, kill innocent people and/or support people who do these things, there is no Kingdom within and it shows in your fruit/actions by doing or supporting things contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

"You will know my followers by their actions". Don't be deceived. Many will come in my name, but you will know My followers by their fruit" say Jesus. And so we do.

God bless

 

[Micah68]

Sure it proves something. The guy is not a prophet
of God. Prophets don't get it wrong.

Something to think about.

God Bless

What is amazing about Lindsey is how many times he can revise his predictions to fit the changing world events; some examples:

The Final Battle (1994) is a revision of The Late Great Planet Earth (1970)

The Apocalypse Code (1997) is a revision of There's a New World Coming (1973)

The 2 editions of Planet Earth 2000AD (1994 and 1996) are recycled from material in Countdown to Armegeddon (1981)

Hal Lindsey was wrong about 1988, my guess he is wrong about much much more.

It is with in our right and duty as Christians to question all teachings by man.