Hagar question ...

[brinny]

My friend, i may disagree with some aspects of Hagar, nevertheless, i appreciate the thread, and the discussions of all of the people in the Old Testament.

Thank you and God bless you.

 

[Aseyesee]

No, my friend, i have issues with how she related to and thought about Sarah in the midst of Sarah's heartbreak. Sarah was not mocking God. She was honestly responding to the idea that she would have children well past her child-bearing years. The "vileness" that Hagar felt towards Sarah must have been seeping out in taunting ways and possibly made Sarah's life a living nightmare.

There's a similar story of heartache, with Hannah, and how her "taunters" made her life so nightmarish that Hannah could not eat, etc.

The story certainly can be embellished ...

For me, it's not an accusation thing, neither to you, nor to Sarah, or Hagar.

Sari chose to fulfill the promise by the sweat of her brow (in picture), and received the harvest she sowed, just as Hagar had of Sari.

If you believe Sarah was jovial in an honest way about it, all well and good (I'm not saying your wrong), but Sarah lied about being honest (becoming afraid after the Lord questioned Abraham over it; the Lord taking It (according to his words), as if it were an accusation against his ability to accomplish what he set out to do, and this he reminded her of before two men depart).

In the end, it's really not about Sarah or Hagar, it is about the process that leads to an only begotten son.

 

[brinny]

The story certainly can be embellished ...

For me, it's not an accusation thing, neither to you, nor to Sarah, or Hagar.

Sari chose to fulfill the promise by the sweat of her brow (in picture), and received the harvest she sowed, just as Hagar had of Sari.

If you believe Sarah was jovial in an honest way about it, all well and good (I'm not saying your wrong), but Sarah lied about being honest (becoming afraid after the Lord questioned Abraham over it; the Lord taking It (according to his words), as if it were an accusation against his ability to accomplish what he set out to do, and this he reminded her of before two men depart).

In the end, it's really not about Sarah or Hagar, it is about the process that leads to an only begotten son.

I agree my friend. It's about the promise that God made to Abram way before this occurred, and that God would be fulfilling in His own inexplicable timing through Abram and Sarai.

 

[Aseyesee]

I agree my friend. It's about the promise that God made to Abram way before this occurred, and that God would be fulfilling in His own inexplicable timing through Abram and Sarai.

Everything I post always has this end, whether directly or indirectly.

 

[brinny]

Everything I post always has this end, whether directly or indirectly.

What end?

 

[Aseyesee]

What end?

A son.

 

[brinny]

A son.

Aah, ok, you mean Jesus Christ?

 

[Aseyesee]

Aah, ok, you mean Jesus Christ ...

and the son we are ... (no gender implied).

 

[brinny]

and the son we are ... (no gender implied).

We are?

 

[Aseyesee]

We are?

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[brinny]

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Aaah, yes!!!

Amen!!!

 

[mozo41]

awesome

 

[Noxot]

funny how a certain important persons name in genesis is "destroyed by God" just like God destroyed sodom and gomorrah. I forget the name. Ishmael was good with the bow and that is a good thing because to sin is to miss the mark. all his children have very good names and that is not some mistake that God made when he inspired people to write the book. God made the hagar in me to rejoice in the hope that hopes against hope.

the patterns in genesis are not things I can fully unfurl but two swords are enough.

 

[Aseyesee]

The giving of Hagar to Abram is an expression of Sari, just as the sending away of her to is an expression of Sarah in relationship to the son we are, and the journey a commamdent sends us on.

The Apple of God's eye is like a tree in the midst of a garden.