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Guns and Schools - What Changed?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by DerSchweik, May 8, 2021.

  1. DerSchweik

    DerSchweik Spend time in His Word - every day

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    2013 Article in the National Review
    Guns in schools used to be accepted, common, safe. Kids used to bring their guns to schoool, walk the halls with them, fire them in basement firing ranges inside the schools.

    Not so anymore.

    What changed?
     
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  3. disciple Clint

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    The value of life. Moral values. Failure of parents to do their job and instead expecting schools to do it for them. Honestly things have not been the same since God was eliminated from schools. Also strange as it may sound I think kids benefited when mom was able to stay at home and spend much more time with them. Mom helps you get over minor problems with other kid before they become reasons to want to kill someone, we learn many things from Mom.
     
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  5. Belk

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    When did kids bring guns to school? Not any time in the last 50 years. That said I do agree with teaching children gun handling in school. If more knowledge is good in the arena of sex education then the same is true of gun education.
     
  6. Belk

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    No, he was not. That you can not force children to pray does not equate to God being eliminated.
     
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  7. DerSchweik

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    A "popular pastime?" So you think school shootings are a joke?

    FWIW:
    Total deaths 1840 to 2000: 239 (and every one admittedly a tragedy) Average: 1.5 deaths / year
    Total injuries 1840 to 2000: 442 (and every one admittedly not good) Average: 2.8 injuries / year
    ...not exactly what I'd call - as you so caringly put it - that "popular" a "pastime."

    Ok - 'nuff of that. Do you have any comment on the OP?
     
  8. disciple Clint

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    When is the last time you saw the ten commandments posted anywhere in a school? Regardless of your faith those guidelines where helpful in the development of values.
     
  9. Aryeh Jay

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    My school shot skeet at PE until I was in the 11th grade (1988-1989) and we had a JROTC rifle range in the basement under the auditorium. I just turned 50 so I will have to disagree.
     
  10. DerSchweik

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    It's in the article, beginning with the second paragraph. Plus, I've seen it first hand myself. Was at a high school recently to walk a project for a bid we were working on. Saw photos in the admin office of kids firing weapons in the basement firing range. Probably late '60's. Later walked the school and saw the range for myself. For my cousins in NE, it'd been common for quite some time.
    Good point. I agree as well.
     
  11. Nithavela

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    Generally, you have, with the USA, a society that venerates solving conflict through force of arms. Many people point towards things like violent movies and video games as a source of that violence, but they are more a symptom of the underlying issue. Children take up the society they grow up in and mirror it.

    This willingness and veneration to solve problems via force of arms is also seen in the reaction to such tragedies. After every mass shooting event, the same story emerges. First hate against the perpetrator and sorrow for the victims, and then, almost without fail, the Hero emerges. The Hero might be a officer of the law, a victim who took a stand or helped others escape, or even a bystander killing or disarming the attacker (which happens far more rarely than people think). The Hero fullfills an important role, he allows people to identify with him. Surely, if such a thing were to happen around them, they think, they'd be the hero too.

    Where does this veneration come from? I think it comes from the many wars the USA has fought in the last century. From their heroic actions in the second world war to the not so heroic actions that followed, the us military has been campaigning.

    Besides that, I think that there is a certain subset of humans with genes that make them more prone to solve problems like that with violence. They were very usefull in the earlier stages of mankinds development, when you needed young males to beat up another tribes young males for disputes without much regard for themselves. Sadly, our base instincts have stayed largely the same while our weapons have only grown deadlier and easier to use.
     
  12. DamianWarS

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    averaging it out over 180 years fails to represent the increase of gun-related deaths/injuries over the years and looks like you're manipulating the data to make it look better and agenda driven. I get the response was to a facetious remark about it being a pastime which may warrant this ridiculous average but I see no benefit in clouding the details and it isn't being responsible to the issue.
     
  13. DamianWarS

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    the 2nd amendment was essentially designed to have a well-armed militia during the early years of the country which was a legitimate threat since the US revolted against British colonial rule and so encouraged the whole country to be stocked far and wide. today that reason is irrelevant but now it's ingrained in the culture and protected by the constution. it's one of their American value systems the whole world doesn't understand but it makes sense in an American vacuum.
     
  14. disciple Clint

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    Maybe you can explain what you mean by that? What exactly was it that was "not so heroic"?
     
  15. That Guy 11200

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    I think American's whole attitude to guns is a joke. You worship these things just because some old men scribbled some words on some paper once.
     
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  16. Nithavela

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    I can, but I don't want to get bogged down in an off-topic historic discussion.
     
  17. Larnievc

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    Spot on. Americans are a warlike people who fetishise their weapons to the point of worship.

    Solving even minor problems with force of arms is part of their culture and American society teaches people this every day.
     
  18. tturt

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    These days our society doesnt want to subject our children to the harsh standard of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" in any class or activity.

    The Golden Rule addressed race, sex, those with different perspectives, etc
     
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    As we advanced as a society we discovered that it was probably best not to send all the children to school with murder machines.
     
  20. disciple Clint

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    Then you should not make gratuitous derogatory comments that you are reluctant to justify or defend.
     
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