Growing Number of Republican Senators Oppose Holding Trump Impeachment Trial

[Hazelelponi]

Did you see where students and staff at Yale were petitioned and 65% approached agreed there was no need for the constitution any more because they didn't see it as relevant to them?

Yeah...

 

[Speedwell]

If it wasn't broke, don't fix it. But the corporate mentality will reach it's goal soon enough then hopefully fall as all others have done before throughout history.

It's not broke, it's just changing. The first great reset came during the neolithic revolution when sedentary agriculture replaced hunting and gathering. The second was the industrial revolution and the end of labor-intensive agriculture. The third, which we have not yet fully dealt with, is the end of labor intensive manufacturing. All of those resulted in massive changes in the way in which the wealth produced by society is distributed. Now the data age is dawning and there will no longer be as many jobs in services and service delivery. What are you going to do about it?

From the article you linked:
Author's note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

 

[timothyu]

Yeah...

It might be quite possible in this cancel culture to throw out the old in favour of a new that we have been slowly trained to accept as necessary, and may even save the world so they say. lol

 

[timothyu]

What are you going to do about it?

Wait until we who are no longer necessary are weeded out by virus and climate change.... or ignore the offer to stand on the other side of the fence and profit by it, the old gain at the expense of others game man has always played. Reap the reward of being a self serving human and forego the Kingdom.

 

[Speedwell]

Wait until we who are no longer necessary are weeded out by virus and climate change.,

Social Darwinism. I wouldn't exactly call that a solution.

 

[timothyu]

Social Darwinism. I wouldn't exactly call that a solution.

It's not mine but it is theirs. In case you haven't noticed, eugenics has made a big comeback.

 

[stevil]

Probably more people see it in precisely the opposite way. The party can hardly be the "Order" party when leaders of the party call upon people to engage in violence against anyone who disagrees with them and wink at rioting in over 30 different cities just in the past year.

If this is true, then hopefully Congress will look to impeach those people too.

Trump, as leader of the Republican party has pardoned many criminals because:
They protected him from an investigation
They supported him
They are his friends
They are related to him
They are related to someone who gave him positive media coverage
They stole wall money donated by his supporters - no big deal.

Given all these pardons and the failure to hold a senate trial with witnesses and documents and the failure to remove a crooked president, and the active participation in promoting a lie of a stolen election and supporting an insurrection.... The Republican party is an anything goes party.
Constitution and law and order be damned.

 

[stevil]

The House did not provide evidence or a witness.

Trump and Republican congress blocked all subpoenas of direct witnesses.
However John Bolton who refused to appear before the House hearing said he would testify before the Senate if called to do so.

 

[Larniavc]

You seem to be denying the movement of the WEF.

Dunno why you think that. You seem to believe it is some Orwellian scheme to..... be in charge of everything?

 

[Speedwell]

It's not mine but it is theirs. In case you haven't noticed, eugenics has made a big comeback.

So you don't have a solution. OK.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Both Parties have learned that when “their guy/gal is in, they’ll more than likely to lose the House (and the Senate(?)) in the midterm elections, so they take bigger gambles while they hold the majorities.

But many in “the middle” think that Donald Trump is an existential threat to our Nation.

I hope.

Why an existential threat? What makes Trump an existential threat? How exactly could he make the US cease to exist? Now if one were to say that private sector censorship is an existential threat to Free Speech I would have to agree.

 

[Pommer]

Why an existential threat? What makes Trump an existential threat? How exactly could he make the US cease to exist? Now if one were to say that private sector censorship is an existential threat to Free Speech I would have to agree.

Have you had any thoughts as to the ramifications of the 6th of January riot, had it been “successful”?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Senate tables Sen. Rand Paul's (R-KY) attempt to declare Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional, 55-45.

(Note that this does not mean 45 Republicans think it is unconstitutional. Just that they voted to discuss it as a point of order.)

 

[grasping the after wind]

Have you had any thoughts as to the ramifications of the 6th of January riot, had it been “successful”?

From what I can tell it was as successful as any other riot has ever been. Things got busted and people got hurt and even killed. That seems to me to be the goal of every riot. What do you think would have made it more successful?

 

[Yttrium]

Senate tables Sen. Rand Paul's (R-KY) attempt to declare Trump's impeachment trial unconstitutional, 55-45.

(Note that this does not mean 45 Republicans think it is unconstitutional. Just that they voted to discuss it as a point of order.)

Well, that's probably going to be the final vote to convict, which isn't nearly enough. Kind of a waste of time. Possibly even counterproductive, since many will see it as a sign that future presidents will have precedent and free reign to do the kinds of things that Trump did.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Well, that's probably going to be the final vote to convict, which isn't nearly enough.

One suspects that the final vote will be even more lop-sided. This was kind of the last chance for those opposed to Trump to register a protest without greatly affecting their chance of re-election.

Curiously, even Mitch McConnell chickened out in this vote though his desire to go back to old-style Republican politics has been increasingly obvious recently. He knows his voters overwhelmingly oppose that.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Well, that's probably going to be the final vote to convict, which isn't nearly enough. Kind of a waste of time. Possibly even counterproductive, since many will see it as a sign that future presidents will have precedent and free reign to do the kinds of things that Trump did.

What kind of things do you think future Presidents would not feel they had free reign to do if Trump was retroactively removed from an office he no longer occupies? What exactly do you want Biden and those that come after him to be afraid to do?

 

[Kentonio]

From what I can tell it was as successful as any other riot has ever been. Things got busted and people got hurt and even killed. That seems to me to be the goal of every riot. What do you think would have made it more successful?

If Trump had actually followed through on his promise to protesters to walk with them, then that situation could have escalated to a full constitutional crisis very quickly indeed.

 

[Yttrium]

What kind of things do you think future Presidents would not feel they had free reign to do if Trump was retroactively removed from an office he no longer occupies? What exactly do you want Biden and those that come after him to be afraid to do?

Ignore the Constitution and try to stay in office at all costs.

 

[grasping the after wind]

If Trump had actually followed through on his promise to protesters to walk with them, then that situation could have escalated to a full constitutional crisis very quickly indeed.

I don't see how. He would have been whisked away by the Secret Service as soon as they had the slightest suspicion that something dangerous was going to happen. Most likely they would have prevented him from going. Perhaps they did? And if the rioters for some reason assassinated Trump then Pence would have been President for a few weeks. No existential threat to the Nation. The Nation will survive any riot or any President that the people elect or refuse to reelect. The only existential threat to the Nation is a public that no longer believes in the innate rights of the individual and is willing to trade freedom for a false sense of security under a totalitarian state unencumbered by the limits imposed on government by the Constitution.