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Any wage that is offered and accepted is fair
So it seems ...
Matthew 20:1-16 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.

So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
 
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So how has outsourcing affected wages at Chick-fil-a

Other minimum wage jobs such as low skill furniture production for example is directly affected by outsorcing. Since more low skill employees are available on the market Chick-fil-a can afford to offer them less. In other words low skill workers are more desperate to find a job and more willing to work for dirt cheap wages.
 
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Yep ... now that you've got it figured out ... you're ready to start your own business, Umaro. Your choice ... either start your own business so that you can demonstrate how a business should be run, or just continue to whine and moan about all those nasty evil companies.

Kinda looks to me like Chick-fil-A donates a considerable amount to charity. It's just never enough though, is it ... oh wait, is your real problem with Chick-fil-A that you don't like the charities which they support? Family values charities, Christian charities, educational scholarships, employee's families.

Chick-fil-a does donate a considerable amount to charity. But it's a lower amount than it would take to get their own workers out of poverty. That's the issue. It's like cutting down 5 trees, planting 2 back, and patting yourself on the back for fighting deforestation. That's what makes me throw my hands up and ask "Where did all that talk about teaching a man to fish and charity towards humanity go?" You can't take 65% of the profits from workers, dropping them below the poverty line, give a small portion of it back, and call yourself charitable. It's insulting to people who are actually concerned about the poor.
 
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Chick-fil-a does donate a considerable amount to charity. But it's a lower amount than it would take to get their own workers out of poverty. That's the issue. It's like cutting down 5 trees, planting 2 back, and patting yourself on the back for fighting deforestation. That's what makes me throw my hands up and ask "Where did all that talk about teaching a man to fish and charity towards humanity go?" You can't take 65% of the profits from workers, dropping them below the poverty line, give a small portion of it back, and call yourself charitable. It's insulting to people who are actually concerned about the poor.
You keep citing that 65% as if they had the option of raising the workers salaries by 65%. They don't.

Here are the details: Chick-fil-A model helps it lead [bless and do not curse]| ajc.com
Chick-fil-A’s 2010 profit margin, which was 5.1 percent of its systemwide sales, was somewhat behind the 6.4 percent profit margin of industry kingpin McDonald’s Corp. last year. But industry experts say Chick-fil-A is beating most rivals in terms of sales and profits per store.
The profit was only 5.1% ... just good enough to keep the business healthy and growing. Lest you think that translates into a lot of money, just consider that the individual franchisees earn only modest profits (i.e., salaries) themselves.
Based on franchise disclosure documents and interviews with Chick-fil-A officials, the company’s roughly 1,100 operators took home operating profits of about $210 million last year, or an average of $190,000 each. Some make substantially more.
That doesn't look exhorbitant to me, especially considering that the franchisees are actively working at the stores themselves ... doing the hard and dirty work they can't get employees to handle ... unlike some other franchise operations where the owner is simply a financier shuffling paper.

Here's what I think your real gripe might be ... if you're thinking for yourself, rather than reading some talking point.
Boiled down, Chick-fil-A’s system allows the privately held company to be extremely choosy about who runs its restaurants, and to reward them well if they succeed — or get rid of them if they don’t. Because it owns all its restaurants — seemingly a contradiction in franchising — Chick-fil-A can move quickly into new products and markets. It can shift strong-performing franchisees to bigger stores or give them more responsibility — much like employees — while firing up their entrepreneurial zeal.

“I look at it as a great opportunity,” said Margaret Phillips, who nearly 30 years ago scraped together $5,000 to take over her first Chick-fil-A store in Daytona Beach, Fla. Then 23, she was already a Chick-fil-A veteran, having started at 16 in a shop in North DeKalb Mall. “They have shown us a lot of grace and love over the years,” said Phillips, who now runs a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Commerce.
It seems that people at Chick-fil-A have figured out how to keep a large business privately controlled rather than controlled by Wall Street.
The company bankrolls the entire cost of its new restaurants and picks the locations. The only cost its so-called “operator” franchisees shoulder up front is $5,000, but they can’t later sell the business or pass it on to their heirs. Chick-fil-A retains ownership of the restaurant, and takes a much bigger cut of each store’s revenues and profits than at most franchises. It gets 15 percent of sales, collects rent on the property, and splits the remaining profit with the operator.

The formula seems to have worked well for both sides.
:clap: Considering some of your prior posts supporting OWS, I should think you would be applauding Chick-fil-A, Umaro. Did you know any of this about Chick-fil-A before?
 
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Tim Hawkins-Chick-fil-A - Today's Christian Videos

Tim Hawkins' tribute to Chick-Fil-A sung to the tune "Yesterday".
I went to my first Chick-Fil-A last year working in Indian. The Ft. Wayne location was outstanding. A lady with a cart carrying condiments and napkins made the rounds providing for the items people may have forgotten while ordering. Best fast food/service I've ever hand.
 
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Chick-fil-a does donate a considerable amount to charity. But it's a lower amount than it would take to get their own workers out of poverty. That's the issue. It's like cutting down 5 trees, planting 2 back, and patting yourself on the back for fighting deforestation. That's what makes me throw my hands up and ask "Where did all that talk about teaching a man to fish and charity towards humanity go?" You can't take 65% of the profits from workers, dropping them below the poverty line, give a small portion of it back, and call yourself charitable. It's insulting to people who are actually concerned about the poor.
How much do they donate to charity and how much would it take to get their workers out of poverty?
 
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Tim Hawkins-Chick-fil-A - Today's Christian Videos

Tim Hawkins' tribute to Chick-Fil-A sung to the tune "Yesterday".
I went to my first Chick-Fil-A last year working in Indian. The Ft. Wayne location was outstanding. Ia lady with a cart carrying condiments and napkins made the rounds providing for the items people may have forgotten while ordering. Best fast food/service I've ever hand.
My grandson loves the Chick-fil-A cow character at his locale
 
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Tim Hawkins-Chick-fil-A - Today's Christian Videos

Tim Hawkins' tribute to Chick-Fil-A sung to the tune "Yesterday".
I went to my first Chick-Fil-A last year working in Indian. The Ft. Wayne location was outstanding. A lady with a cart carrying condiments and napkins made the rounds providing for the items people may have forgotten while ordering. Best fast food/service I've ever hand.
I think Chick-Fil-A is now my new favorite fast food restaurant. :)

Tim Hawkins - Chick-fil-A Song (New Verse) - YouTube
 
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We spent a whole thread discussing why this isn't necessarily true. You should review it.
As i recall, the end result of that thread was that any wage that is offered and accepted is a fair wage :wave:
 
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As i recall, the end result of that thread was that any wage that is offered and accepted is a fair wage :wave:

Your definition of "fair" appears to also be "stuck with".

If your radiator runs out of anti-freeze/water on a long and baron trek through Nevada, and you have no phone with a newborn in the car, when you end up paying $100 for a $1.89 gallon of anti-freeze/water from someone who was passing by, I hope you shake their hand and say:

"My bad, for not being infinitely prepared. That was fair and not extortion. Job well done, sir."
 
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Your definition of "fair" appears to also be "stuck with".

If your radiator runs out of anti-freeze/water on a long and baron trek through Nevada, and you have no phone with a newborn in the car, when you end up paying $100 for a $1.89 gallon of anti-freeze/water from someone who was passing by, I hope you shake their hand and say:

"My bad, for not being infinitely prepared. That was fair and not extortion. Job well done, sir."
i would say that $100 to save my newborn's life would be fair. If you don't think so, then don't pay it
 
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Your definition of "fair" appears to also be "stuck with".

If your radiator runs out of anti-freeze/water on a long and baron trek through Nevada, and you have no phone with a newborn in the car, when you end up paying $100 for a $1.89 gallon of anti-freeze/water from someone who was passing by, I hope you shake their hand and say:

"My bad, for not being infinitely prepared. That was fair and not extortion. Job well done, sir."
Reminds me of the time I ran out of gasoline nearly thirty years ago. I walked to a service station where they allowed me to use their gasoline can only after I handed over a $20.00 deposit. I protested that the gas can wasn't worth nearly $20.00. The guys just looked at me funny and one of 'em said: "It is to us."

I handed him a twenty dollar bill, put gas in my car, immediately brought the gas can back and never again complained about the price someone asked when they were helping me with my own stupidity. :)
 
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i would say that $100 to save my newborn's life would be fair. If you don't think so, then don't pay it

You seem to be absolutely ok with unnecessarily taking advantage of other people.


I hope, one day, I find you in the worst possible situation and take you for all you have.

The icing on the cake will be the Thank You card you send me and frame it.

When I die, if your god is real, I will use this evidence as an example of humans being kind and fair to others (and their appreciation), when I use this as my last plea to try and enter the pearly gates.
 
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When I die, if your god is real, I will use this evidence as an example of humans being kind and fair to others (and their appreciation), when I use this as my last plea to try and enter the pearly gates.
Well ... you never know. ;)

Luke 19:11-27 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
 
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You seem to be absolutely ok with unnecessarily taking advantage of other people.


I hope, one day, I find you in the worst possible situation and take you for all you have. .
How ironic
 
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