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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Actually...if the second part was true does that mean asking for a higher wage is just being greedy?
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Only if one doesn't earn it.
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I know greed used to be considered a sin. But I don't think it is anymore.
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It was and still is.
Greed replaces a sense of gratitude with a sense of entitlement.
Greed is an arrogance.
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Like people who inherit their money?
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I try not accept anything, from other people, that I do not earn.
If I earn your friendship, I will accept a birthday present.
If I earn my father's esteem, I will accept his estate.
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Charity is indispensable for a people to remain free.
The involuntary transfer of wealth is anathema to charity.
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Hmm. Let's say that there is a lake nearby that provides water to a local town. It's also available for recreational use. But I want the lake to myself. So I buy it and the surrounding land. And I stop allowing the town to use it as a water source. Nor do I allow anyone near the lake.
Am I being greedy?
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Here's another hypothetical. Let's say my church is trying to raise money to help poor people. I have lots of money but I don't donate because that money is mine and I don't want to give it to charity.
Am I being greedy?
Am I being greedy?
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...and those who would take it from them because they [only] inherited it.Like people who inherit their money?
tulc(still just wondering)
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I still find it strange that people will believe 100 million people are lazy and entitled more than they'll believe 1000 people with all the power could be greedy.
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If I took all your money and gave it to tulc, would that make me greedy?
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That may depend on how you define "earn". Many people get more money than they earn.
Many people think they deserve by birth to inherit money from their parents.
Many people think they deserve by birth to inherit money from their state.
Many people think they deserve more money for the same amount of work because they can fire and replace other workers, who they think deserve less. The latter will certainly receive less, but did they earn less?
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I find it strange how much talk there is by conservatives about how much people "earn," but they then turn around and say your wage isn't related to productivity. Its absurd. I mean, there was an obvious example from my previous job at a hardware store.
My coworker ad I had identical jobs, and he had been there longer. We weren't supposed to talk about our wages to each other, but I one day we did anyways. It came out that I earned $8 an hour, but he only earned $6.75 an hour. We agreed it was unfair that we were doing equal work for unequal pay, and took our complaint to the manager. She crunched the numbers and found the store was plenty profitable to pay us both $8, and took a request to the owner to up my coworkers salary. His response boiled down to "No, I know you don't have a car and thus can't quit to seek employment elsewhere, so I don't have to pay you more."
How does this flush with the idea conservatives here advocate that wages are based on what you earn? In this real life example, the owner was getting the money that my coworker earned because he could exploit economic leverage and circumstance. To call the coworker entitled for demanding the government prevent this exploitation is absurd.
My coworker ad I had identical jobs, and he had been there longer. We weren't supposed to talk about our wages to each other, but I one day we did anyways. It came out that I earned $8 an hour, but he only earned $6.75 an hour. We agreed it was unfair that we were doing equal work for unequal pay, and took our complaint to the manager. She crunched the numbers and found the store was plenty profitable to pay us both $8, and took a request to the owner to up my coworkers salary. His response boiled down to "No, I know you don't have a car and thus can't quit to seek employment elsewhere, so I don't have to pay you more."
How does this flush with the idea conservatives here advocate that wages are based on what you earn? In this real life example, the owner was getting the money that my coworker earned because he could exploit economic leverage and circumstance. To call the coworker entitled for demanding the government prevent this exploitation is absurd.
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Yes
You wanted what you did not earn.
What you wanted it for does not change that fact.
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What one earns is determined by what another is VOLUNTARILY willing to pay.
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By definition, two workers that earn "different paychecks" don't generate "identical wealth".
They may produce the same product, but they are selling it at different prices.
Please don't ask me to explain price fluctuations to you here; that would take another thread.
They may produce the same product, but they are selling it at different prices.
Please don't ask me to explain price fluctuations to you here; that would take another thread.
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