Greed

[Non sequitur]

I had a friend who started a restaurant twenty years ago. It was a beautiful restaurant ... just what the community needed ... inside decor was remarkable ... much nicer than the chain restaurants ... and the food was great. He pulled the plug on it less than a year later. Manager was stealing from him. The staff used the restaurant to furnish their houses with silverware ... repeatedly apparently - maybe it went to friends and relatives as well.

My friend already owned a successful business, but he was unprepared for how brutal the restaurant business is. His main problems were the employees though ... well, that and not enough customers, LOL.

Is the moral, people suck and are evil?

Don't start a business?

Have insurance against such things?

Pay them less, to make up for possible internal losses?

(Probably a bunch of free loading liberal socialist minorities, anyway.)

I don't see how this story is relevant...

 

[MachZer0]

Those owners didn't get that wealth on their own though. The owners only were able to acquire that wealth by profiting off their employees.

That's the way things work. It seems simple to me. I own a business and I need an employee. You don't own a business but you need a job. i offer the job, you accept. A square deal for all

They're taking wealth earned from one group (their employees) and re-distributing part of it (although pocketing most of it for themselves).

The business owner only takes wealth from the customer who hands it over voluntarily in exchange for a desired product or service. The employee takes wealth from the owner.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

That's the way things work. It seems simple to me. I own a business and I need an employee. You don't own a business but you need a job. i offer the job, you accept. A square deal for all

Until we get into pay, where I'm working 8-12 (and sometimes more) hours a day to make YOU money while you sit around at home or in a cozy office.

 

[whatbogsends]

That's the way things work. It seems simple to me. I own a business and I need an employee. You don't own a business but you need a job. i offer the job, you accept. A square deal for all

The business owner only takes wealth from the customer who hands it over voluntarily in exchange for a desired product or service. The employee takes wealth from the owner.

The problem is that "the way things work is broken". It has always been the case that those with wealth can leverage that wealth to create unfair deals for workers.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Is the moral, people suck and are evil?

Don't start a business?

Have insurance against such things?

Pay them less, to make up for possible internal losses?

(Probably a bunch of free loading liberal socialist minorities, anyway.)

I don't see how this story is relevant...

Huh? Why not?

OP is about Greed. Umaro focused on greed of Chick-fil-A. I provided an example of a non-greedy restaurant owner who invested in the business, tolerated misdeeds by employees, and soon went out of business. Seems relevant to me ...

 

[Non sequitur]

Huh? Why not?

OP is about Greed. Umaro focused on greed of Chick-fil-A. I provided an example of a non-greedy restaurant owner who invested in the business, tolerated misdeeds by employees, and soon went out of business. Seems relevant to me ...

This seems rather black and white, and not in the spirit of Jesus's teachings.

"Take what you can, at whatever expense you deem 'right', because of the possibility you might lose it all."

Although, I'm sure there would be lines for this workshop.

Pretty sure Wall Street already did that (and still does)...

 

[MachZer0]

The problem is that "the way things work is broken". It has always been the case that those with wealth can leverage that wealth to create unfair deals for workers.

Here's a tip. If the deal is unfair, don't take it

 

[Non sequitur]

Here's a tip. If the deal is unfair, don't take it

Seems to be another good argument against "salvation" and "god-offers"...

 

[MachZer0]

Seems to be another good argument against "salvation" and "god-offers"...

That didn't make a lot of sense to me

 

[Non sequitur]

That didn't make a lot of sense to me

I'm not surprised.


Abject servitude? An ethereal dictator?

"If the deal is unfair, don't take it", was applied to your god.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Here's a tip. If the deal is unfair, don't take it

If people followed that, eventually they'd all be out of work and on foodstamps/unemployment, and then you'd call them greedy, thieving bullies.

There's no way to win in a society run by MachZero.

 

[MachZer0]

If people followed that, eventually they'd all be out of work and on foodstamps/unemployment, and then you'd call them greedy, thieving bullies.

There's no way to win in a society run by MachZero.

No, because the fact is that wages given to unskilled workers are fair compensation

 

[dlamberth]

No, because the fact is that wages given to unskilled workers are fair compensation

"Fact"...that is such a funny word.

.

 

[Viren]

No, because the fact is that wages given to unskilled workers are fair compensation

It's fair if you consider that the employer has the option of hiring someone in China that can live for a dollar a day.

The employers are trying to simutneously lower wages and sell more products to their employees at the same time. It's insane.

Eventually this whole thing will come crashing down.

 

[conamer]

The problem is that "the way things work is broken". It has always been the case that those with wealth can leverage that wealth to create unfair deals for workers.

If it's so unfair no one would work for them or contribute to their ministeries and they would go out of buiseness and their ministeries would go away. But that's not the case so I guess that's why you object.

 

[MachZer0]

It's fair if you consider that the employer has the option of hiring someone in China that can live for a dollar a day.

The employers are trying to simutneously lower wages and sell more products to their employees at the same time. It's insane.

Eventually this whole thing will come crashing down.

I'm not sure how a Chick-fil-A manager in Texas, for example, could hire someone in China for a dollar a day

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

No, because the fact is that wages given to unskilled workers are fair compensation

You're automatically assuming they are unskilled, though.

You're also automatically assuming that the existence of a wage, regardless of the amount, is fair, which is also incorrect.

 

[Viren]

I'm not sure how a Chick-fil-A manager in Texas, for example, could hire someone in China for a dollar a day

Outsourcing effects overall wages. There are always descrepancies.

 

[MachZer0]

You're automatically assuming they are unskilled, though.

You're also automatically assuming that the existence of a wage, regardless of the amount, is fair, which is also incorrect.

Any wage that is offered and accepted is fair

 

[MachZer0]

Outsourcing effects overall wages. There are always descrepancies.

So how has outsourcing affected wages at Chick-fil-a