If Jesus was orthodox, then he wasn't radical. If Jesus was radical, he wasn't orthodox. (per the definition of orthodox) Radical is heterodox.That's the opposite of what I said, they were unorthodox but considered Jesus radical for His true orthodoxy.
This appears to be wrong. There is a section of the web page with 4 sermons that give the basics. The one on Jesus calls Jesus the living presence of God. They don’t see him as just another teacher, but they do believe people can know God other ways. That a standard inclusivist belief, which is probably the majority view among Christians.Again, what I glean from Gracepointe's own description of their beliefs is that they don't believe Jesus to be God Incarnate, but instead as simply an enlightened teacher, or maybe even a bodhisattva. They don't appear to see Him as the Lord and Creator of the universe. If I wanted to be a Buddhist I would.
Great point, I agree.This appears to be wrong. There is a section of the web page with 4 sermons that give the basics. The one on Jesus calls Jesus the living presence of God. They don’t see him as just another teacher, but they do believe people can know God other ways. That a standard inclusivist belief, which is probably the majority view among Christians.
There are several definition of ChristianGreat point, I agree.
Listening to Pastor Stan Mitchell preach in those four 101 videos says a lot about Gracepointe. That anyone would claim it is not a Christian church is just incorrect. IMHO
Actually Titus 1 & 2 gives a good discourse on sound doctrine and what becomes it.
If Jesus was orthodox, then he wasn't radical. If Jesus was radical, he wasn't orthodox. (per the definition of orthodox) Radical is heterodox.
Orthodox:
Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion.
Just how progressive are they?Their website makes it clear they are Progressive, as here defined:
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This video captures the heart of this Pastor and what he and his church has been through. At about 44 minutes in he goes over the history briefly and then makes a landmark announcement.Just how progressive are they?
If you walk into church with a obscene word on your shirt in reference to Joe Biden, do they still welcome you?
If you are going to claim to exclude no one, that would include people who hate Jews, blacks, or those who hate white people or those who believe in violence as a means to an end.
Most " progressives are only really welcoming people who think like they do in reality.
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