Does that mean you plan to make (continue) a practice of "enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions"?
We are both believers. Why do you come after me as if I am in unbelief?
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Does that mean you plan to make (continue) a practice of "enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions"?
We are both believers. Why do you come after me as if I am in unbelief?
Were the spirits he preached to physically alive or dead?
Rather than make an attempt to understand where I am coming from, you have decided to make this an "us versus them" debate.Huh?
You seem to be claiming that the "lost" are victims of God, and by their own choice.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Do you believe that Jesus died to save us from God?
Rather than make an attempt to understand where I am coming from, you have decided to make this an "us versus them" debate.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Does that mean you plan to make (continue) a practice of "enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions"?
We are both believers. Why do you come after me as if I am in unbelief?
I don't think there's any specific view of just how people end up reconciled that's mandatory for UR. The most explicit Biblical support I can see (and it's only one way to read the text) is 1 Cor 15. But if that describes UR, it seems to happen as part of the end. I don't think the passage envisions people left in Hades who will later be reconciled.You should agree with me on this issue. UR believes that people will be saved in Hades.
This is sadism on a level seen nowhere is human history. Is your god really worse than any human that ever lived? I hope not.
Do you make God out to be some kind of cosmic tyrant in need of anger management help?
I think 1Co 15:22 is about physical resurrection of all people rather than UR. It neither opposes nor supports UR, IMO.The most explicit Biblical support I can see (and it's only one way to read the text) is 1 Cor 15. But if that describes UR, it seems to happen as part of the end. I don't think the passage envisions people left in Hades who will later be reconciled.
Reconciliation can take place before resurrection of the body, after the resurrection, or both. In agreement w/ the EO Catechism, I believe in post-mortem progression before the resurrection as discussed in post #730:I don't think there's any specific view of just how people end up reconciled that's mandatory for UR.
The EO Catechism does not understand that passage as a one-time occurrence.Jesus appearing to the dead (if that's what the passages mean) seem to be a one-time occurrence to deal with people living before Jesus.
This is , certainly, true.Actually surveys suggest that a majority of Christians in the US think at least some non Christians can be saved. This seems to be the official Catholic position, as well as mainline Protestants.
This is, certainly, true. All occurrences of the the word "exomologeo" in the NT indicate whole-hearted confession without duress.Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
I agree.But how can God be worse than any person whoever lived?
The EO Catechism does not understand that passage as a one-time occurrence.
If God truly is as Damnationism describes Him, then that would be a good way to sugarcoat it. Unfathomable indeed. An incomprehensible evil. Believe or burn = spiritual extortion.Did God not say that his ways are unfathomable?
Thanks for researching that. What a great insight.This is, certainly, true. All occurrences of the the word "exomologeo" in the NT indicate whole-hearted confession without duress.
Did you notice any other surprising occurrences of the word?This is, certainly, true. All occurrences of the the word "exomologeo" in the NT indicate whole-hearted confession without duress.
I agree.
That's why Damnationism is wrong.
Jesus taught us that loving our enemies is godly behavior.
It is not love to incinerate your enemies.
Some make God out to be worse than a pagan or a tax collector. (traitor)
Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I checked 5 different commentaries on 1 Cor. While some are ambiguous on some points, all seemed to agree that 22ff are about resurrection of believers only, and that the enemies subjected to Christ are the supernatural powers and death, not humans. They are subjected in the sense that they are destroyed.I think 1Co 15:22 is about physical resurrection of all people rather than UR. It neither opposes nor supports UR, IMO.
Exomologeo "G1843" occurs 11 times in the NT and is occasionally translated "give praise." There is no hint of compulsion anywhere. It is also applied to the Lord Jesus himself a couple of times. Obviously, He is not forced to confess. The following quotations are from the NASB:Did you notice any other surprising occurrences of the word?
If God truly is as Damnationism describes Him, then that would be a good way to sugarcoat it. Unfathomable indeed. An incomprehensible evil. Believe or burn = spiritual extortion.
Accept the free gift of salvation today. If you aren't interested, you will be incinerated. Your choice.
I'm not sure why your commentaries have a tendency to apply certain verses to Christians only. They do this with Mat 25:40 & 45 and Rom 2:14 and, now, 1Co 15:50-55! Is this a Calvinist bias?15:50-55 envisions only resurrection of believers.