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I just saw this!

Why did Jesus ask the names of the demons known as Legion? :scratch: Does anyone know?

Mark 5:1-20 1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
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Well, Jesus certainly knew the demons name. Something to consider is that He probably asked the name of the demon to show the horrible state that this man was in. A legion back then was comprised of around 6000 men. This guy must have really been hurting.

What tremendous power of deliverance does our Savior have!!!!!!:clap::clap::amen:
 
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Well, Jesus certainly knew the demons name. Something to consider is that He probably asked the name of the demon to show the horrible state that this man was in. A legion back then was comprised of around 6000 men. This guy must have really been hurting.

What tremendous power of deliverance does our Savior have!!!!!!:clap::clap::amen:

Wow! 6000! Boggles the mind!

Keep 'em coming!

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I seem to remember something about demons identifying themselves before exorcisms can happen...but that might just be from a bad movie :sorry:
LOL Mr. Jim... I remember something similar as well. That in order to cast out the demon it must be addressed by name, but then I am not a student in exorcism... Just a former Catholic! ;)
 
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I don't know. Perhaps to show authority. He so much as asks its name and it is forced to reply.

That's just a guess I admit.
I like this answer. It clicks somehow :scratch:
 
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I agree, the authority and power, is the best answer so far. I am wondering if there is something in Jewish history/customs that would shed some light on this as well. That may be where the Caths are getting the calling the name out thingie. Alot of their traditions are very Jewish in origin.

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Caths are the bomb diggity. Notice the demon cries out Jesus name and adjures Him in reverance and submission. Jesus uses the other form of adjuration of authority and power!

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01142c.htm
Adjuration


(Latin adjurare, to swear; to affirm by oath). An urgent demand made upon another to do something, or to desist from doing something, which demand is rendered more solemn and more irresistible by coupling with it the name of God or of some sacred person or thing. Such, too, was the primitive use of the word. In its theological acceptation, however, adjuration never carries with it the idea of an oath, or the calling upon God to witness to the truth of what is asserted. Adjuration is rather an earnest appeal, or a most stringent command requiring another to act, or not to act, under pain of divine [COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]visitation[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] or the rupture of the sacred ties of reverence and love. Thus, when Christ was silent in the house of Caiphas, answering nothing to the things that were witnessed against Him, the High Priest would force Him to speak and so said to Him: "I adjure Thee by the living God, that Thou tell us if Thou be the Christ the Son of God." (Matthew 26:63) Adjuration may be either deprecatory or imprecatory. The one implies deference, affection, reverence, or prayer; the other, authority, command, or menace. The one may be addressed to any rational creature except the demon; the other can be addressed only to inferiors and the demon. In Mark (v, 7) the man with the unclean spirit cast himself at the feet of Jesus saying: "What have we to do with Thee Jesus the Son of the Most High God? I adjure Thee that Thou torment me not." The wretched man recognized that Christ was his superior, and his attitude was that of humility and petition. Caiphas, on the contrary, fancied himself vastly superior to the Prisoner before him. He stood and commanded Christ to declare Himself under pain of incurring the wrath of Heave. It is hardly necessary to insist that one mode of adjuration is to be employed when addressing the Deity and quite another when dealing with the powers of darkness. Helpless man, calling upon Heaven to assist him, adds weight to his naked words by joining with them the persuasive names of those whose deeds and virtues are written in the Book of Life. No necessity is thereby laid upon the Almighty, and no constraint save that of benevolence and love. But when the spirit of darkness is to be adjured, it is never allowable to address him in the language of peace and friendship. Satan must ever be approached as man's eternal enemy. He must be spoken to in the language of hostility and command. Nor is there aught of presumption in such treatment of the evil one. It were indeed egregious temerity for man to cope single-handed with the devil and his ministers, but the name of God, reverently invoked, carries with it an efficacy which demons are unable to withstand. Nor should it be supposed that adjuration implies disrespect for the Almighty. If it is allowable to invoke the adorable name of God in order to induce others to build more securely upon our world, it must be equally permissible to make use of the made means in order to impel others to action. Indeed, when used under due conditions, that is "in truth, in justice, and in judgment", adjuration is a positive act of religion, for it presupposes on the part of the speaker faith in God and his superintending Providence, as well as an acknowledgment that He is to be reckoned with in the manifold affairs of life. What more beautiful form of prayer that that of the litany, wherein we beg immunity from evil through the Advent, the Birth, the Fasting, the Cross, the Death and Burial, the Holy Resurrection, and the wonderful Ascension of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity? Christ Himself recommends this form of invocation: "Whatsoever you shall ask the Father in My name, that will I do: that the Father may be Glorified in the Son" (John 14:13). [COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Acting[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] upon this promise, the Church sends all her more solemn prayers with the adjuration: Per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum (Through Our Lord Jesus Christ). St. Thomas declares that the words of Christ, "in My name that shall cast out devils" (Mark 16:17) give all believing Christians warrant to adjure the spirit of evil. This, however, must not be done out of mere curiosity, for vainglory, or for any other unworthy motive. According to Acts (xix, 12) St. Paul was successful in casting out wicked spirits, whereas the Jewish exorcists, using magic arts purporting to come from Solomon, "attempted to invoke over them that had evil spirits, the name of the Lord Jesus, saying: 'I conjure you by Jesus, whom Paul preaches,'" were leaped upon and overcome by those possessed, in such sort that they found it convenient "to flee out of that house, naked and wounded." In adjuring the demon one may bid him depart in the name of the Lord, or in such other language as faith and piety may suggest; or he may drive him forth by the formal and fixed prayers of the Church. The first manner, which is free to all Christians, is called private adjuration. The second, which is reserved to the ministers of the Church alone, is called solemn. Solemn adjuration, or adjuration properly so called, corresponds to the Greek exorkismos. It properly means an expelling of the evil one. In the Roman Ritual there are many forms of solemn adjuration. These are to be found, notably, in the ceremony of baptism. One is pronounced over the water, another over the salt, while many are pronounced over the child. Manifold and solemn as are the adjurations pronounced over the catechumen in baptism, those uttered over the possessed are more numerous and, if possible, more solemn. This ceremony, with its rubrics, takes up thirty pages of the Roman Ritual. It is, however, but rarely used, and never without the express permission of the bishop, for there is room for no end of deception and hallucination when it is question of dealing with the unseen powers. (See BAPTISM; DEVIL; EXORCISM.)
 
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I seem to remember something about demons identifying themselves before exorcisms can happen...but that might just be from a bad movie :sorry:

Actually the Exorcist was a great movie, except for the unrealistic ending.

The Exorcism was very realistic.

Yes, people have even been known to throw up as an insult to the priest/minister/exorcist
 
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It could also have to do with the fact that Jesus was a man, and simply did not know.

He lowered himself down at the incarnation. He temporarily lost his omniscience.

I would have to disagree with you on this Cola.


In answer to the OP, I am not certain enough myself to say "this is it" but this is what comes to mind.
In most ancient cultures it was believed that knowing a being's true name gave you authority or power over that being. This idea is common place in the beliefs of most of the ancient middle eastern cultures, and as far afield as the Celts.

This idea is also present in Jewish thought, which is one of the reasons the true name of God is never spoken etc.

Though the idea of the true name granting power over the being may be somewhat superstitious, or incomplete at least... it is also clear in the bible that authority is directly attached to names.

Speaking legitimately in the name of a ruler carries the authority of that ruler. We have authority by the name of Jesus etc.

However you slice it, names are very important in ancient culture, and also in the bible. Names were often prophetic in the bible as well.

Jesus did indicate to his disciples that some different kinds of demons were harder to cast out than others. This occured in an incident when the disciples could not cast out a demon. Jesus chided them for their lack of faith, but also told them, "this kind only comes out by prayer and fasting."
It is possible that the particular band of demons inhabiting this man had such a firm hold that they could not be dislodged without using their name to some how more directly apply God's authority and power to them.
 
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I will give the only semblance of an answer I gave in the SW board:

"My name is Legion, for we are many . . . "

welcome to the world of evil spirits - they go from singular to plural very quickly - I don't have time to get into why - but the spiritual world does not play by our rules.
 
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I believe you can see it another way. Jesus intended to address the man in asking his name. But this man in his demonic state was so overtaken by the demons that they continued to speak through him and gave their name.He had lost any control long ago and was utterly inhabited and controlled.

Jesus I believe was trying to reassure the man who had fallen at his feet that he wanted to help him and set him free. This guy had hidden himself in the tombs and was in agony, tortured by his situation, cutting himself and crying out alone in his torment. Did he dare to believe that Jesus came to help him when he was rejected and cast out by men and left to his misery. So I think yes, Jesus was trying to reassure him that his intent was of kindness and compassion.

I also think Jesus wanted his disciples and us reading the word to understand how bad the man's condition was, a legion varied in the military sense and was between 3 and 6 thousand. Jews used it often to describe a large number of things, like say, a legion of grapes. So the point was, even though this man's condition seemed impossible with Christ all things are possible.

I don't believe you need to speak to demons and find out names per se. And Jesus operating in the anointing of God would have discerned the names anyway. Just my humble opinion anyway. Bless you Lisa
 
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I believe you can see it another way. Jesus intended to address the man in asking his name. But this man in his demonic state was so overtaken by the demons that they continued to speak through him and gave their name.He had lost any control long ago and was utterly inhabited and controlled.

Jesus I believe was trying to reassure the man who had fallen at his feet that he wanted to help him and set him free. This guy had hidden himself in the tombs and was in agony, tortured by his situation, cutting himself and crying out alone in his torment. Did he dare to believe that Jesus came to help him when he was rejected and cast out by men and left to his misery. So I think yes, Jesus was trying to reassure him that his intent was of kindness and compassion.

I also think Jesus wanted his disciples and us reading the word to understand how bad the man's condition was, a legion varied in the military sense and was between 3 and 6 thousand. Jews used it often to describe a large number of things, like say, a legion of grapes. So the point was, even though this man's condition seemed impossible with Christ all things are possible.

I don't believe you need to speak to demons and find out names per se. And Jesus operating in the anointing of God would have discerned the names anyway. Just my humble opinion anyway. Bless you Lisa

Well, with all Scripture there is such richness and depths, that likely most of the theories here are correct. It is a good one to study. I certain never even noticed that Jesus ASKED the names of the demons.

I mean, I know, He KNEW already but it was curious that Jesus did that. I do think the key is in the word adjure. It is almost like a Spiritual Rules of Warfare thing. I don't know how to explain that exactly.

Kind of like when a prisoner of war can only give his name, rank and seriel number.

The demon adjured by acknowleging Christ as God. Jesus adjured by recognizing one of His subjects. It seems to be quite protocol-ish.

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I just saw this!

Why did Jesus ask the names of the demons known as Legion? :scratch: Does anyone know?

Mark 5:1-20 1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
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I have read a Catholic source somewhere that this does not indicate that Jesus didn't know their names but that he had them reveal themselves so that those who did not believe in Demons might see that they do in fact exist.

Can't remember the reference and it was over 20 years ago so take it for what it is worth.
 
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Well, Jesus certainly knew the demons name. Something to consider is that He probably asked the name of the demon to show the horrible state that this man was in. A legion back then was comprised of around 6000 men. This guy must have really been hurting.

What tremendous power of deliverance does our Savior have!!!!!!:clap::clap::amen:

:amen:

This Gospel account is one of many which shows how Jesus sees and and deals with the power of the enemy which has tormented this individual. This story shows me that Jesus does not compromise but delivers this man, from the destructive power of evil.

And because Jesus is the same 'Yesterday, Today, and Forever (Hebrews 13:8), He still works the same today.
 
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For nuts and bolts - there is a lot going on there, but as the very astute Simon_Templar said - it has a lot to do with the perception of the apostles - I think that instead of the author of the gospel using it as an example of early thought on how evil spirits behave, Jesus reversed it and gave them insight into a much more heinous aspect of their world. No longer would they beleive (if they did) in myth, they will see the Messiah as He truly is - and what he can do, and the scope of what they are dealing with.

They were utterly helpless and depending on Christ here - they were Jews standing in a graveyard (death) dealing with demons, ina land of Gentiles, near a bunch of pigs, etc. What does that spell for a Jew? UNCLEAN. Yet Jesus, boldly goes and sanctifies that ground that he stands upon, and demonstrates Himself. They were helpless, and yet relied on Him entirely here - sound familiar?
 
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For nuts and bolts - there is a lot going on there, but as the very astute Simon_Templar said - it has a lot to do with the perception of the apostles - I think that instead of the author of the gospel using it as an example of early thought on how evil spirits behave, Jesus reversed it and gave them insight into a much more heinous aspect of their world. No longer would they beleive (if they did) in myth, they will see the Messiah as He truly is - and what he can do, and the scope of what they are dealing with.

They were utterly helpless and depending on Christ here - they were Jews standing in a graveyard (death) dealing with demons, ina land of Gentiles, near a bunch of pigs, etc. What does that spell for a Jew? UNCLEAN. Yet Jesus, boldly goes and sanctifies that ground that he stands upon, and demonstrates Himself. They were helpless, and yet relied on Him entirely here - sound familiar?

Awesome!!! Praise God!

Lisa
 
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