Going to need a little help

[polkaman]

Hello again
Going to need a little help. I'm kind of
Upset. I've been bringing forth ideas
That I would do most of the work for,
Such as prayer blanket/Shaw, keeping
Up the website/Facebook, we we prepare
The weekly community make up some
Meals for those shut in (different from
Meals, but could be same person )
I've been wanting a prayer/healing
Service... all the above I'm put off
Basicly. But then a new formed group
Is welcomed...same things I wanted
To do....I was even given the price list
For the use of the church !!!
But this bunch doesn't have to pay.
The latest, I would like to look at the
Lay servant....I was said I would be
Told when offered, we I have a life and
I need to schedule things, so i made
Inquiry...oh...that was the wrong, the
District office got all perplexed, they
Wanted to know this and that and why
Didn't I go thru the pastor...and the only
Way I could take the most basic class
Was with the pastor permission..
Do you really think that will happen ?

I talked to another district and difference
Between night in day. They understood
Where I was comming from
Like they said, it's open to all, even
If they want to learn more about
The faith.

So what to do ? I should be glad that the
Things I thought sould be done, are, but
Not with me included nor invited.
I'm only human, and it bugs me.
I wanted, I tried, and just looked at,
Now here come "the right" people
It's all fine.
I was considering starting my own church/
Ministry...but thought I would try it
The "right" way, but isn't working
I help with activities, attend services, donate my time and money
...but that isn't good enough
...I'm not one of the "right people"

Thanks for listening


...

 

[Matthew B]

I read your words and I didn't know what you meant during more than two of your sentences. I think you are having problems. Well, I will pray for you.

 

[Tolworth John]

Could you clarify what you are trying to do and raise one issue at a time.

A general answer to what I think you are asking is.

If you want to involve a church congragation in charitable activities. Then you should approach the minister first and talk it over with him.
If you are not a member of his church he will want to know why you aren't approaching your own church.

 

[SkyWriting]

Hello again
Going to need a little help. I'm kind of
Upset. I've been bringing forth ideas
That I would do most of the work for,
Such as prayer blanket/Shaw, keeping
Up the website/Facebook, we we prepare
The weekly community make up some
Meals for those shut in (different from
Meals, but could be same person )
I've been wanting a prayer/healing
Service... all the above I'm put off
Basicly. But then a new formed group
Is welcomed...same things I wanted
To do....I was even given the price list
For the use of the church !!!
But this bunch doesn't have to pay.
The latest, I would like to look at the
Lay servant....I was said I would be
Told when offered, we I have a life and
I need to schedule things, so i made
Inquiry...oh...that was the wrong, the
District office got all perplexed, they
Wanted to know this and that and why
Didn't I go thru the pastor...and the only
Way I could take the most basic class
Was with the pastor permission..
Do you really think that will happen ?

I talked to another district and difference
Between night in day. They understood
Where I was comming from
Like they said, it's open to all, even
If they want to learn more about
The faith.

So what to do ? I should be glad that the
Things I thought sould be done, are, but
Not with me included nor invited.
I'm only human, and it bugs me.
I wanted, I tried, and just looked at,
Now here come "the right" people
It's all fine.
I was considering starting my own church/
Ministry...but thought I would try it
The "right" way, but isn't working
I help with activities, attend services, donate my time and money
...but that isn't good enough
...I'm not one of the "right people"

Thanks for listening


...

You may invite people for bible study any time in your own home.
You don't need anyone's permission. But be prepared for lack
of interest. You might have some personal growth to go through
before people agree to meet in your home.

It might be you, it might be the people you ask.
Go to God with all your intentions and He will
have His will no matter what.

 

[polkaman]

Ah the standard "the church and the clergy is always right" mindset....there must be something wrong with you.
I guess I will have to start at the beginning
To bring you up to speed, and I suppose give you more things to tell me that there is something wrong with me.
I am middle aged, and recently just started
Going to church. I've read the Bible a couple of times. I'm not into being able to citing
Where things are in the Bible, I have many
More other things to keep in my mind such
As formulas and other things. But
I do remember context of information.
This gives me a unique perspective of
Those that do not attend church... there
Are many reasons why, and if you wish
To look down your nose at these people,
I'm afraid you are the one that needs to
Go back and read that little book you
Wish to throw at others.
I should mention I attended two church's.
The one church does not do much singing, and the preacher can give a 45 minute
Sermon...but the church has no community
Involvement. The other is Methodist, they
Sing and sing have the kids come up
And the like but only a 15 minute service
But do many community things.
So, since I spent much of my life outside
The box, I have some knowage of the
Way people that do not attend, feel,
Thus a "bridge" ministry to those folks.
A "help lead them to water" type of thing.
You may have no problem what so ever
Opening the church door and walking
In, to many this is not easy

 

[polkaman]

So I talked to both church's, not interested.
Ok.
Due to my membership in an organization, I
Have access to mini grants, up to $250
Each. Due to the poor economy I wanted
To do some sort of event durning the
Holidays. So I come up with the idea of
A noon time meal of either soup and
Sandwich or "breakfast" for dinner,
Have santa there to talk to the kids,
And give away some small bikes
And a couple tablets...it would be
Open to the public, not just the church.
The first church that that was great,
You can use the church for free, the
Other church, I tell of the plan, and
Out of the drawer they pull out a sheet
Of paper for charges to use the building.
We ended up not doing anything because
The local chamber of commerce got
All up

 

[polkaman]

So I talked to both church's, not interested.
Ok.
Due to my membership in an organization, I
Have access to mini grants, up to $250
Each. Due to the poor economy I wanted
To do some sort of event durning the
Holidays. So I come up with the idea of
A noon time meal of either soup and
Sandwich or "breakfast" for dinner,
Have santa there to talk to the kids,
And give away some small bikes
And a couple tablets...it would be
Open to the public, not just the church.
The first church that that was great,
You can use the church for free, the
Other church, I tell of the plan, and
Out of the drawer they pull out a sheet
Of paper for charges to use the building.
We ended up not doing anything because
The local chamber of commerce got
All up

 

[polkaman]

Well the chamber of commerce got upset
They only wanted santa to come to town once ! Since they had an event they charged
For on a different date.
Well to now. The Methodist have a Facebook
Site that is not used. This could be a good
Tool not only for outreach, but to keep
Members up to date with activities.
I offered to do the posting and I was
Sure to say I wanted a review of items
Before posting....the pastor said nothing.
I also asked about a prayer service/healing
Service. I downloaded all the materials from
The UMC website, and other materials
And have reviewed. I said alot of it
Would need to be of the pastor doing.
I offered helping, setting things up,
Everything but do the service. He finally
Said they are doing one in July and a
Meeting in March...but I wasn't told
"Why don't you come"
I didn't attend services Sunday morning
But listened on radio. Imagine my
Surprise when there was an announcement
Of a prayer meeting THAT night.
I was shocked. I attended, but it was
Done by a minstry group, not of the
Church. They were not charged to use
The church, like I would have been.
This new group has "the right" people,
Those with money and are nice nice.
They are doing several things I was
Told no to, such as prayer blanket/Shaw.
I was told we only use 1 per year....we
Have 2 nursing homes in town. Over 100
Folks in them...yes there is a need.
There are other things, such as a community
Care box, I was told no, but this new
"All the right people" did it and they
We're praised.
The latest is I would like to look at the
Methodist lay servant program, so
I could do some other things.
Well the pastor said I'll let you know,
Time went on, I checked the websites.
I farm and soon I'll be busy, so I need
To get going.
I've been in contact with several conferences,
Our state just is not friendly nor understand
The needs of those that would benefit from
The basic class. They expect you to
Travel, stay overnight, etc. I asked other
States, they understood, that is why they

 

[polkaman]

They try to hold in single day
They also welcome all, and view
It as a faith builder.
But my district got all upset when
I asked questions.
They wanted to know who I was, why
Was I asking questions

 

[polkaman]

They try to hold in single day
They also welcome all, and view
It as a faith builder.
But my district got all upset when
I asked questions.
They wanted to know who I was, why
Was I asking questions

 

[polkaman]

They wanted to know why I hadn't talked
To the pastor, and the tone of their
Voice and what they said, well you
Have to get permission from the
Pastor....and the attitude was I
Wouldn't because I didn't want to
Be a lap dog and patted on the head.

I give my time, my money, attend services
And help with events....but i must
Not be in "the good people" crowd.

In one respect I am happy that some of
The things are being done...but another
Part of me is unhappy. I have been
Trying to get things done and start
Things I was stopped, said no, or
Not even answer, yet these. "Right
People" can do the same thing, patted
On the back and praised.

It just bothers me

That is why I asked for a little help.

But rather some here make the inference
That "something is wrong with me"

 

[polkaman]

Skywriter, I wish to thank you for your
Encouragement. Reflecting on the
Last couple weeks activities, I believe
There are many things going on.
First, while the church is medium
Size, it is not growing, and the bulk
Of the membership is 60+ and don't
Like change. The pastor has had a difficult
Year himself, and he is older already.
I believe he wishes to coast into retirement
And the current membership sould not
Propose much more than the status quo.
So they can both age together.
So here I came along with all these ideas.
The pastor perhaps considers how the
Congreation would view some of these ideas
And impact his retirement.
When a group comes up with an idea,
And their families are big in the church, it is
More safe than someone like me.

Thank you for listening and suggestion