Going to holistic/Naturopath doctor....is it wrong?

[toLiJC]

it is best to avoid such things as reiki and energy healing, because there is a danger in all such things, the original naturopathic medicine include only physiological methods of treatment, very typical example for such are the methods of the prominent naturopaths from 100-200 years ago, such as: John Tilden(1851-1940), John Harvey Kellogg(1852-1943), Bernarr Macfadden(1868-1955), St. Louis Estes(1876-1951), Benedict Lust(1872-1945), Henry Lindlahr(1862-1924), Arnold Ehret(1866-1922), Auguste Rollier(1874-1954), Paul Bragg(1895-1976), such doctors are true naturopaths

 

[lillivanilli]

I'm a migraine sufferer too. Been to doctor after doctor for over 25 years and they can't do much other than write me a prescription for the next big thing from Big Pharma.

I have learned to recognize my triggers (there are many) and avoid them as much as possible, but one of them is a change in my sleep schedule, which can't always be controlled. I have learned how to avoid most of them and reduce the number of days I'm left lying on the couch.

Have you been keeping a headache journal? THis might help you identify your triggers - every time you get one, write down what you ate, what you did, how much you slept, if anything in your normal routine was different. With time, hopefully patterns will develop where you can see when a migraine might be triggered.

Accupuncture has been known to work quite well for some migraine sufferers. I want to try one myself but I live in a rural area and there aren't any practitioners within a reasonable distance. I've also been doing a lot of reading on vitamin D3 deficiency and the benefits of high doses of these supplements. I've started a D3 regimen and so far I've had a really good outcome.

Do your research, but honestly, don't let anyone sway you because they don't believe in a particular thing. I would never tell someone not to eat apples simply because I didn't like them, nor would I tell someone "don't do this" simply because I don't agree with it. We all have to do what is best for ourselves, not what is best or most agreeable to other people!

 

[Stoneghost]

1 I've been to a psychologist.

And you said you had only been to real doctors. Sorry but psychologists aren't doctors and you shouldn't see one for any reason other than counseling. No matter what they try to make you believe. On the other hand if your internists can't make a diagnosis you may want to try a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a real doctor and there are many somatoform disorders that can cause physical pain that your internist wouldn't know about. That said your internist assumes you are lying, even if they don't say so.

But just because someone can give you a diagnosis doesn't mean there is anything anyone can do about it, be a doctor or a quack. As is the case with migraines. Migraines are a real physical affliction cause severe pain that has no cure and does not respond well to pain treatment.

And yes I do think there is something kind of wrong with going to an alternative healer. If you really don't think it will work then I think you could be engaging in a form of self-deception.

 

[Tomk80]

And you said you had only been to real doctors. Sorry but psychologists aren't doctors and you shouldn't see one for any reason other than counseling. No matter what they try to make you believe. On the other hand if your internists can't make a diagnosis you may want to try a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a real doctor and there are many somatoform disorders that can cause physical pain that your internist wouldn't know about. That said your internist assumes you are lying, even if they don't say so.

This is a bit of a weird statement. But maybe there is a difference here between the Netherlands and the US. While psychologists in the Netherlands aren't doctors, they do have training in the recognizing or treating somatoform disorders. They will regularly work together with psychiatrists, especially if medicines need to be prescribed (psychologists are not allowed to prescribe medicines). So unless the American system is very different from the Dutch system, I don't really see why she shouldn't go to a psychologist for a possibly somatoform disorder.

This is purely hypothetical of course, since she already stated she has a status migraine, so we know her disease is not somatoform.

 

[Stoneghost]

This is purely hypothetical of course, since she already stated she has a status migraine, so we know her disease is not somatoform.

O must have really misread that I thought she said it wasn't migraines.

 

[keith99]

Kinesiology is a branch of biology, very mainstream.

Kinesiology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the alternative medicine individual implied that by using it ihe is using something that outside of traditional science it is a bad sign.

EDIT:

Seems there is something similar in name that sound like quakery to me. That is likely what the OP refers to and even a worse sign as I see it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_kinesiology

 

[Psalms91Lady]

Well, I ended up going to the naturopath. He did some kinesiology, massage therapy and acupuncture. It was okay. I still feel bad and have weird facial sensations. The emergency ward maybe my only hope. Do you think I should go?

 

[morningstar2651]

I don't think you're going to follow our advice, so I won't give you any. You've already made your decision before you asked.

The response to the naturopath was an overwhelming agreement that it is a waste of your time and money and that you need real medical attention.

 

[Psalms91Lady]

I don't think you're going to follow our advice, so I won't give you any. You've already made your decision before you asked.

The response to the naturopath was an overwhelming agreement that it is a waste of your time and money and that you need real medical attention.

Okay. Thanks. I actually didn't know what to do that's why I asked. Believe me it took a while to decide what to do.

 

[Tomk80]

Well, I ended up going to the naturopath. He did some kinesiology, massage therapy and acupuncture. It was okay. I still feel bad and have weird facial sensations. The emergency ward maybe my only hope. Do you think I should go?

I don't know how the American system works, but it might be worth a try?

In the Netherlands, you'd go to the general practitioner, who would refer you to a neurologist. So that would be my advice if you'd live in the Netherlands.

 

[DaisyDay]

The only time homeopathy would be the proper treatment is for a psychosomatic (somatoform) ailment - in such a case, it has a good chance of working since both the disease and the cure are imaginary.

I think Illivanilli's suggestion of keeping a migraine diary is very good one.

 

[morningstar2651]

The only time homeopathy would be the proper treatment is for a psychosomatic (somatoform) ailment - in such a case, it has a good chance of working since both the disease and the cure are imaginary.

I think Illivanilli's suggestion of keeping a migraine diary is very good one.

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[Halossellar]

You are in pain, the conventional doctors can't or won't help you, you need to do what you feel is the next appropriate step in managing your health. Pray to God, ask His guidance, and do what you feel you need to do. I personally don't think homeopathy is evil or wrong. It is using natural methods to treat our bodies instead of poisoning ourselves with a bunch of pills with a list of side effects that are worse than the condition we are trying to treat.

Sorry you are experiencing this pain - I will keep you in my prayers!

Homeopathy is not the same thing as "natural methods". You should research true homeopathy. It's history and "science" is quite interesting.

 

[morningstar2651]

Homeopathy is not the same thing as "natural methods". You should research true homeopathy. It's history and "science" is quite interesting.

But it's only natural to treat an imaginary pain with an imaginary medicine.

 

[acropolis]

Homeopathy is not the same thing as "natural methods". You should research true homeopathy. It's history and "science" is quite interesting.

Homeopathy is useless if only because they dilute their 'medical' solutions to the point of being utterly useless. There is often literally not a single molecule of the active ingredient in a typical homeopathic medicine. They could prescribe Polonium as a remedy and it would be so diluted it wouldn't do a single thing to you. The plus side is that homeopathic medicine will never poison anyone, it'll just waste their money and possibly kill them by leading them to not seek actual treatment.

 

[Niffer]

There is nothing wrong morally or ethically with going to a holistic doctor.
I'm sorry there are so many cynics, and I'm honestly surprised by the ignorance regarding alternative medicine in this thread - but natural remedies have been proven to work, homeopathy is a wonderful way to aid a myriad of health issues as is herbalism.

People like to forget that almost all medicine has its roots in herbalism - it's like advil just magically showed up and previous to that there were no painkillers available.

Do some research and I would really recommend going to a homeopath or naturopath.

Peace,

- Niff

 

[IanCG]

There is nothing wrong morally or ethically with going to a holistic doctor.
I'm sorry there are so many cynics, and I'm honestly surprised by the ignorance regarding alternative medicine in this thread - but natural remedies have been proven to work, homeopathy is a wonderful way to aid a myriad of health issues as is herbalism.

People like to forget that almost all medicine has its roots in herbalism - it's like advil just magically showed up and previous to that there were no painkillers available.

Do some research and I would really recommend going to a homeopath or naturopath.

Peace,

- Niff

Alternative medicine that works is called "medicine". There is not one thing homeopathy can cure that isn't psychosomatic. It's water!

And as for doing some research, anyone who isn't trying to sell you something will say the same thing. It's pure snake oil.

 

[morningstar2651]

There is nothing wrong morally or ethically with going to a holistic doctor.
I'm sorry there are so many cynics, and I'm honestly surprised by the ignorance regarding alternative medicine in this thread - but natural remedies have been proven to work, homeopathy is a wonderful way to aid a myriad of health issues as is herbalism.

People like to forget that almost all medicine has its roots in herbalism - it's like advil just magically showed up and previous to that there were no painkillers available.

Do some research and I would really recommend going to a homeopath or naturopath.

Peace,

- Niff

Homeopathic medicine is snake oil.

James Randi's Challenge to Homeopathy Manufacturers and Retail Pharmacies - YouTube

 

[Gadarene]

Homeopathy is not herbalism. Herbalism at least occasionally prescribed something with an active ingredient.

 

[Niffer]

I could respond with my own youtube link, after all it's so convincing.

Even if you don't think homeopathy works, what on earth is the risk in trying it? And I know it's a lot easier to throw up a youtube video for your opinion, then go out and actually try homeopathy and make an actual personal opinion rather than regurgitate one; but I'll stick with:

"Don't knock it 'till you tried it."

Until then, you have just another persons opinion.

Peace,
- Niffer

and btw, yes I have used homeopathy regularly (as does my entire family), and herbalism - just in case you wanna fire that one back at me.