God'sClockofPrpohcey

[Hitch]

Ticking, turned off or timed out?

 

[Dmckay]

Ticking, turned off or timed out?

Definitely ticking, but with the snooze alarm depressed, the Prophet Daniel was given a precise timeline for prophecy. In Daniel 9:24 we are told that a period of 70 weeks of years were determined for the Jewish people and Jerusalem to accomplish specific things:
1. to finish the transgression,
2. to make an end of sin,
3. to make an atonement for iniquity,
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up vision and prophecy and
6. to anoint the most Holy

In verse 25 we are told that the clock started ticking with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. The time period from the time of the decree until the coming of Messiah the Prince is broken into 2 time periods—7 weeks and 62 weeks. So the coming of the Messiah is to be 69 weeks of years from the time of the decree. At this time the Messiah will be cut off (killed) and the city Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed.

Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book called The Coming Prince in which he worked out the math using the differing calendars and found that from the time that Darius issued the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of Christ was exactly 483 years which took us up to April 33 AD When Jesus was crucifed on the Passover which was in April that year. This was the end of the 69th week.

I suppose that in light of the way your question was worded, Ticking, turned off or timed out? You could better say on pause. The vision that Daniel interpreted for the King of the great image which represents the great kingdoms which were to come. The Image had legs of iron and feet made of iron and clay mixed.

We are currently in a holding pattern in God's plan which is called by two names, the times of the Gentiles, and the church age. As Romans 9-11 tells us, because of Israel's unbelief as a nation Messiah the Prince was cut off. So God has set Israel on the spiritual shelf and graft in a wild branch. The Gentiles to become the church. When the church age is finished, the church will be taken out and Israel will be grafted back into God's program to conclude the 70th week of Daniel, also known as the time of Jacob's Trouble or the Tribulation.

God's clock may be ticking slow, but the clock-maker knows exactly what He is doing and when.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Turned off. I do not believe that any prophecies are being fulfilled today and cannot until the Church is taken home. This includes with the nation today of Israel. When the Church is taken home...tick tock..tick tock..

 

[Iosias]

Turned off. I do not believe that any prophecies are being fulfilled today and cannot until the Church is taken home. This includes with the nation today of Israel. When the Church is taken home...tick tock..tick tock..

LOL but nevertheless.

 

[Hitch]

Definitely ticking, but with the snooze alarm depressed, the Prophet Daniel was given a precise timeline for prophecy. In Daniel 9:24 we are told that a period of 70 weeks of years were determined for the Jewish people and Jerusalem to accomplish specific things:
1. to finish the transgression,
2. to make an end of sin,
3. to make an atonement for iniquity,
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up vision and prophecy and
6. to anoint the most Holy

In verse 25 we are told that the clock started ticking with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. The time period from the time of the decree until the coming of Messiah the Prince is broken into 2 time periods—7 weeks and 62 weeks. So the coming of the Messiah is to be 69 weeks of years from the time of the decree. At this time the Messiah will be cut off (killed) and the city Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed.

Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book called The Coming Prince in which he worked out the math using the differing calendars and found that from the time that Darius issued the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of Christ was exactly 483 years which took us up to April 33 AD When Jesus was crucifed on the Passover which was in April that year. This was the end of the 69th week.

I suppose that in light of the way your question was worded, Ticking, turned off or timed out? You could better say on pause. The vision that Daniel interpreted for the King of the great image which represents the great kingdoms which were to come. The Image had legs of iron and feet made of iron and clay mixed.

We are currently in a holding pattern in God's plan which is called by two names, the times of the Gentiles, and the church age. As Romans 9-11 tells us, because of Israel's unbelief as a nation Messiah the Prince was cut off. So God has set Israel on the spiritual shelf and graft in a wild branch. The Gentiles to become the church. When the church age is finished, the church will be taken out and Israel will be grafted back into God's program to conclude the 70th week of Daniel, also known as the time of Jacob's Trouble or the Tribulation.

God's clock may be ticking slow, but the clock-maker knows exactly what He is doing and when.

I am yet to meet a 'literalist' willing to 'literalize' poor ol Dan and his 70 weeks of years.

Take care

H

 

[Hitch]

Turned off. I do not believe that any prophecies are being fulfilled today and cannot until the Church is taken home. This includes with the nation today of Israel. When the Church is taken home...tick tock..tick tock..

That was Walvoord's ,and so that of DTS, position untill the last decade I wonder how many point to Israel as a 'sign' while holding to the fabled GAP in Daniel. Never bothering to think that one carries the other.

How could the 'Rapture' be an any moment possibilty if God is busy fulfilling prophecies, but this little problem seldom troubles dedicated rapture seekers.

take care

Hitch

 

[TheScottsMen]

How could the 'Rapture' be an any moment possibilty if God is busy fulfilling prophecies, but this little problem seldom troubles dedicated rapture seekers.

We may disagree on a lot of things, but you get an amen for the above sentence This is where you can see the difference between Hypers and Classics. Hypers do not (most of us) believe that one single prophecy is going on today, how could it? If God is working in the dispensation of Grace, and the dispey of Law & Kingdom was put on hold in Acts 28, how can one expect prophecy to be happening, the dispensation of Grace has not ended! It ends with the rapture. This is the big difference between hypers and classics. Classics hold that Acts 2 is the start of the Church (an event that was spoken of by the prophet Joel), so what stops them from mixing prophecy and rapture when they mix prophecy and the church? Nothing... This is why I believe that hypers or ultras (mid acts anyways) tend to be more consistent in our interpretion (even if you do not agree with our interpretion) compared to our classics brothers.

But anyways, Amen.

 

[Iosias]

...the dispensation of Grace has not ended! It ends with the rapture.

So you would include all of the Pauline epistles as being for the church?

This is the big difference between hypers and classics. Classics hold that Acts 2 is the start of the Church (an event that was spoken of by the prophet Joel), so what stops them from mixing prophecy and rapture when they mix prophecy and the church? Nothing.

I am not 100% sure...even Dr. Bullinger had this to say on Joel:

To sum up: As we have seen, there is in Acts 2:[font=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]16[/font][font=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][size=+1] no fulfillment of Joel's prophecy either expressed or implied, and Peter's argument narrows down to this, videlicet, that a charge of drunkenness can no more be sustained against "these" than it can be against those in the yet future scenes spoken of by Joel, when the wondrous spiritual blessings will be poured out on all flesh AFTER THAT, that is to say, after all the temporal blessings spoken of have been bestowed upon Israel's Land and Israel's People.[/size][/font]

See: http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app183.html

 

[TheScottsMen]

So you would include all of the Pauline epistles as being for the church?
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app183.html

Yes. Though some of the early epistles have some Kingdom Principals as the Kingdom was not yet set aside.

 

[Iosias]

Yes. Though some of the early epistles have some Kingdom Principals as the Kingdom was not yet set aside.

What then do you say about 1 Cor 11? Both the Lord's Supper and headcoverings?

 

[Terral]

Hitch:

Hitch >> God's Clock of Prophecy Ticking, turned off or timed out?

God’s Prophetic Clock is most definitely turned off. We are now living inside a begotten ‘time’ of Mystery that the OT Prophets could not see. They were not given to see our gospel (Rom. 16:25, Eph. 6:19) our Mystery (Eph. 5:32) Church (Eph. 5:30, Col. 1:24), or our translation (1Cor. 15:15-51, 1Thes. 4:16+17). Since our Gospel marks the start for a member of the ‘body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12), and our translation to immortality (1Cor. 15:53) marks the very end, then the OT Prophets saw none of this current time. The ‘Kingdom’ of the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23, 9:35, etc.) was placed on hold, when Israel rejected it for the third and final time from the Holy Spirit (started Acts 2:1). The first two offerings came from the God (through John the Baptist; John 1:6, 33), then the Son (Christ Himself; Matt. 4:23, 9:35).

When the kingdom was officially being rejected for the last time (early Acts; Rom. 11:11+12), then God raised Paul up and gave (Gal. 1:11+12) him our Gospel for today. Prophecy could see that Christ would have a bride (Hosea 2:19+20, John 3:29), but none of the Prophets saw that Christ would also have a Gentile dominant ‘body of Christ.’ God is first taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name (Acts 15:14). Then, After These Things . . . the tabernacle of David shall be restored and rebuilt (Acts 15:16-18). That marks the ‘time’ in which the Prophetic Clock will again start ticking; when Elijah comes to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11.

The ‘day of Christ’ is about the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel. We know because Paul connects the ‘Day of the Lord’ to the ‘times and epochs’ in 1Thes. 5:1+2. He then verifies that this same ‘day of the Lord’ is the ‘day of Christ’ in 2Thes. 2:2. The important connection is made by Christ Himself, when He connects the ‘times and epochs’ to the restoration of the Kingdom (Acts 1:6+7). The ‘body’ is taken (1Thes. 4:17) at the moment when the ‘day of Christ’ is ‘at hand.’ 2Thes. 2:2. That corresponds to the start of the “Lord’s day” in Rev. 1:10. Note the sounds of that verse with Paul’s descriptions of our Rapture:

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel and with the TRUMPET of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.” 1Thes. 4:16.


“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a LOUD VOICE like the SOUND of a TRUMPET.” Rev. 1:10.

(1Thes. 4:16) Shout + Voice Archangel + Trumpet = Loud Voice like Sound of Trumpet (Rev. 1:10)

The same sound John hears behind him (Rev. 1:10) is what Christ would sound like if they occured in the twinkling of an eye. 1Cor. 15:52, 1Thes. 4:16.

The ‘day of the Lord’ is said by Peter to be as ‘a thousand years.’ 2Pet. 3:8. John also describes Satan being chained for ‘the thousand years.’ Rev. 20:5. Therefore, we have 1000 years between the start of the Lord’s day (Rev. 1:10) and the ‘end of the age’ (Matt. 24:3-31) described by Christ in Matthew 24. The Mystery ‘body’ (Eph. 5:30) is taken to ‘start’ the Lord’s day, while the Prophetic ‘bride’ (John 3:29) is taken at the very end (Matt. 24:31).

In Christ,

Terral

 

[Hitch]

Whats really too bad here is that you are serious

 

[Hitch]

We may disagree on a lot of things, but you get an amen for the above sentence This is where you can see the difference between Hypers and Classics. Hypers do not (most of us) believe that one single prophecy is going on today, how could it? If God is working in the dispensation of Grace, and the dispey of Law & Kingdom was put on hold in Acts 28, how can one expect prophecy to be happening, the dispensation of Grace has not ended! It ends with the rapture. This is the big difference between hypers and classics. Classics hold that Acts 2 is the start of the Church (an event that was spoken of by the prophet Joel), so what stops them from mixing prophecy and rapture when they mix prophecy and the church? Nothing... This is why I believe that hypers or ultras (mid acts anyways) tend to be more consistent in our interpretion (even if you do not agree with our interpretion) compared to our classics brothers.

But anyways, Amen.

Well in this case ,as in many others, there is no possibilty that both views can be 'Dispensational Truth' without which of course there can be no proper understanding of the Scriptures,,,to coin a phraze..


Take care

H

 

[Terral]

Hitch:

Hitch >> Whats really too bad here is that you are serious

No sir. What is too bad is that you have no reply for anything written above. What can you prove yourself or disprove using supported statements from Scripture?

“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.” 2Tim. 2:15.

The fact that folks disagree is an important part of the process of determining who is approved and who is not in the church.

“For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.” 1Cor. 11:19.

We are to preach the word with great patience and instruction:

“ . . . preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.” 2Tim. 4:2.

Do you suppose that this all means to write “Too bad” and “Lol” posts? That is not the generally accepted interpretation of these verses. If you disagree with a presentation here or on any thread, it is a good idea to build a case that says something different. Or just let the points in the argument remain standing and say nothing. Yelling out ‘LOL’ and having no reply is one way to appear rather foolish indeed. Then the credibility of your testimony could suffer on other threads as well.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[In Christ Forever]

Definitely ticking, but with the snooze alarm depressed, the Prophet Daniel was given a precise timeline for prophecy. In Daniel 9:24 we are told that a period of 70 weeks of years were determined for the Jewish people and Jerusalem to accomplish specific things:
1. to finish the transgression,
2. to make an end of sin,
3. to make an atonement for iniquity,
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up vision and prophecy and
6. to anoint the most Holy

In verse 25 we are told that the clock started ticking with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. The time period from the time of the decree until the coming of Messiah the Prince is broken into 2 time periods—7 weeks and 62 weeks. So the coming of the Messiah is to be 69 weeks of years from the time of the decree. At this time the Messiah will be cut off (killed) and the city Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed.

If revelation is fulfilling Daniel's prophecy, who is representing the "Holy People" whose power is being "shattered" in revelation? A literal reading of revelation shows the same colors of the "Great City" being the colors of the priests and tabernacle shown in the OT[deut].
Reve also shows Christ being born and taken up in revel 12, and as a slain lamb in chapt 6. And I believe He was slain by the corrupt jewish rulers of Jerusalem correct? So why wouldn't revelation be the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy against the "Holy People" that crucified Christ?

Daniel 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who [was] above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that [it shall be] for a time, times, and half [a time;] and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these [things] shall be finished.

Deuteronomy 14: 2 "For you [are] a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples who [are] on the face of the earth.

reve 18:16 "and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

Exodus 26:1 "Moreover you shall make the tabernacle [with] ten curtains [of] fine woven linen and blue, purple, and scarlet [thread;] with artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them.

Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.