God's will.

[Blackmarch]

Is it moral to do God's will if it conflicts with your personal code of ethics? As a demonstration of what I am asking I present to you the women and children Amelekites. Was it wrong for a person to obey God and slaughter every last woman and child, along with the men, if it conflicted with their own code of ethics that forbade them from taking the life of an innocent?

I am sure this has been asked before, but I am curious about the current thoughts on this.

If you notice that, that because of the pride and wickedness of the israelites God basically used them for an example... almost an OK Let's give them what they want sort of thing.. so he gave them strict rules, and etc. And when they wanted to God to smite the wicked God said OK go and do this... BUT you need to wipe out everyone or you will become like them.

 

[Wakeup2god]

What if God did ask you to kill? What about the tribulation? There is a war coming, who's side are you on?

Danhalen
I know without a shadow of a doubt that God would not tell me to kill someone. I explained why.

As for the tribulation, I won't be here and do you honestly think that God needs me to fight His battle?

As for your stance on innocents, would you stand by whiie a child killed your child? How young do they train terrorists. How about in Africa where children have been used as soldiers. How about Cambodia where the children were turned against the adults by a mad man?

I don't hear you bleeting about where was God in the concentration camps or the killing fields. You pick and choose your arguments hoping to cause confusion. It doesn't work. Save your 'what if's' for Billy.

Unfortunately you're mistaking me for someone. Someone who cares for your opinion. You're entitled to it, in fact you're welcome to it. I'll stick with mine thanks all the same.

 

[Ledifni]

I don't believe an all-benevolent god would command people to slaughter others.

So, do you believe that the God of the Bible is not omnibenevolent, or do you think the Bible is inaccurate, or what?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

So, do you believe that the God of the Bible is not omnibenevolent, or do you think the Bible is inaccurate, or what?

Shhhh, they weren't innocent because God would never kill innocent people.



God would not kill innocents so the innocents that he killed could not be innocent because God wouldn't kill innocents.

 

[Ledifni]

Your hypothetical still ignores the theocracy , part of the purpose and function of Gods laws in that theocracy and it was to ensure the bloodline of the messiah , this couldnt be ensured that He come from a promised bloodline if there was intermingling of other cultures and beliefs .

Well, it seems all of God's efforts to keep the bloodline pure failed, as Ruth was a Moabite and a direct ancestor of Jesus.

 

[elman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by: elman




If I am willing to murder innocent people, how am I different from the Moslem suicide bomber?





"Not everything is for every person. God calls the appropriate person for the task to be done. God's will first and do so by faith; I would not condemn a brother in not being able to do as I am able nor do I see where God makes unfair commands"

So what was your answer to my question? No difference?

 

[Danhalen]

Danhalen
I know without a shadow of a doubt that God would not tell me to kill someone. I explained why.

I didn't know that any of God's creation could know the entire will of God. I'll be sure to let him know that someone understands him.

As for the tribulation, I won't be here and do you honestly think that God needs me to fight His battle?

You don't know that you won't be there. I don't think that God as described in the bible needs anything. I do see that God as described in the bible uses human agents to carry out his will all the time.

As for your stance on innocents, would you stand by whiie a child killed your child?

No. Would you?

How young do they train terrorists. How about in Africa where children have been used as soldiers. How about Cambodia where the children were turned against the adults by a mad man?

How about it? What is your point? I think we both know the circumstances are different than the hypothetical situation I have proposed. Different situations call for different moral struggles. You have yet to declare where you would stand in any of these situations. I answer you, yet you refuse to answer me. If I were in a situation where a child was going to kill me, and the only way to stop myself from dieing was to kill the child, I would kill the child.

I don't hear you bleeting about where was God in the concentration camps or the killing fields.

No one ever claimed that God had a hand in those horrible things. I do not want to go into a "Problem of Evil" argument. I don't buy into the "Problem of Evil".

You pick and choose your arguments hoping to cause confusion. It doesn't work. Save your 'what if's' for Billy.

I did save my "what ifs" for Billy. Billy is still waiting for you to kill him or let him go free. Apparently, you have no moral convictions or you would have answered by now. Are you afraid of your answer?

Unfortunately you're mistaking me for someone. Someone who cares for your opinion.

You have spent alot of time and effort telling me of ways to dodge the question for someone that does not care about my opinion.

You're entitled to it, in fact you're welcome to it. I'll stick with mine thanks all the same.

If it was never your intention of answering the question, why did you bother to respond? I think that the question is too scary for you to answer. That is my opinion. If you don't care what my opinion is, you won't respond to it.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Quote:
Originally Posted by: elman




If I am willing to murder innocent people, how am I different from the Moslem suicide bomber?





"Not everything is for every person. God calls the appropriate person for the task to be done. God's will first and do so by faith; I would not condemn a brother in not being able to do as I am able nor do I see where God makes unfair commands"

So what was your answer to my question? No difference?

Yes, there is a difference, but it would be a large task for me to go into the proper lengths to explain how a soldier, policeman, or any other that would be Christian can still do their jobs and not be held accountable by God for an unfortunate instance - so I gave a short answer. Having being one of the mentioned, I can tell you that I was quite aware that I could possibly be in a situation where innocent people would be killed and accepted that responsibility in light of what God revealed to me... so in a sense, I was "willing to murder innocent people" during the process of administering justice and prayed that it would not come to that.

Hope that explains it better.
If you want the really short answer, I would say that the Muslim suicide bomber is not doing God's will by seeing the fruit and the motives of their actions - it's not like I accept their actions to be of God in the first place to have to prove a difference.

 

[Danhalen]

If I am willing to murder innocent people, how am I different from the Moslem suicide bomber?

That is a hard question as well. To me, there is no difference. To someone that believes God had commanded you to do it, the answer would be "God is great!" or "Allah ackbar!".

 

[elman]

Yes, there is a difference, but it would be a large task for me to go into the proper lengths to explain how a soldier, policeman, or any other that would be Christian can still do their jobs and not be held accountable by God for an unfortunate instance - so I gave a short answer. Having being one of the mentioned, I can tell you that I was quite aware that I could possibly be in a situation where innocent people would be killed and accepted that responsibility in light of what God revealed to me... so in a sense, I was "willing to murder innocent people" during the process of administering justice and prayed that it would not come to that.

Hope that explains it better.
If you want the really short answer, I would say that the Muslim suicide bomber is not doing God's will by seeing the fruit and the motives of their actions - it's not like I accept their actions to be of God in the first place to have to prove a difference.

I think you are confusing collateral killing in this discussion. The discussion was not about that. It was about God commanding us to kill innnocent people and would we obey? I was saying if you agree to obey that order, how are you different from the Moslem suicide bomber? I tend to see no difference.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

I think you are confusing collateral killing in this discussion. The discussion was not about that. It was about God commanding us to kill innnocent people and would we obey? I was saying if you agree to obey that order, how are you different from the Moslem suicide bomber? I tend to see no difference.

I thought I was clear earlier that I was not entertaining the full measure of the proposed situation; I then proceeded to attempt an answer and still take into account all possible situations, thus my answer that included 'collateral damage'.
I also thought that I answered the question of 'what is the difference'.