God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[AbbaLove]

There appears to be a trend here wherein someone disagrees with someone about scripture, etc... and they're then charged with doing so because they have an issue with those who disagree with them.
What is apparent is those types don't realize they're implicating themselves in that same accusation when they bother to do that.

So, it's not so much a question of who's got a blind spot in their thinking, but rather who doesn't think they have a splinter in their eye.

No, my remarks were quite clear. It becomes obvious when someone has never read the scriptures, or when they have cherry picked in order to then enter into a doctrinal discussion thread and take issue with those who have read the Bible.

Some of the most contentious doctrinal discussions (debates) are between two highly educated Biblical professionals that know the Bible forwards and backwards. Each one thinks they have the most correct interpretation.

It isn't a matter of taking issue with those who are of a different opinion, rather it is a matter of qualifications that are lacking when someone attempts to take issue with Bible aware Christians when that individual poster is clearly lacking the capacity to speak from an educated perspective; i.e. having actually read the Bible.
People who don't actually read the Bible but feel they have to argue the Bible aren't really making any other point than they're here to be argumentative.

Take atheists for example. They tend to be highly educated and many have read the entire Bible more than once. The common response is why would a loving God send good people to Hell just because they aren't followers of Jesus. They also go out of their way to point out what they see as contradictions in the Word. My take is that they basically see themselves as a good person. However, when they read the New Testament it convicts them of their sin. They don't like to think of themself as a sinner, so when reading the Gospels they come to the conclusion that they couldn't surrender all to become a disciple/follower of Jesus.

They rest on their own laurels and certainly do their fair share of humanitarian good works. Probably their main reason for rejecting Christianity is because of what they view as hypoocrisy within the Christian Church.

 

[Bob S]

There appears to be a trend here wherein someone disagrees with someone about scripture, etc... and they're then charged with doing so because they have an issue with those who disagree with them.
What is apparent is those types don't realize they're implicating themselves in that same accusation when they bother to do that.

No, my remarks were quite clear. It becomes obvious when someone has never read the scriptures, or when they have cherry picked in order to then enter into a doctrinal discussion thread and take issue with those who have read the Bible.

It isn't a matter of taking issue with those who are of a different opinion, rather it is a matter of qualifications that are lacking when someone attempts to take issue with Bible aware Christians when that individual poster is clearly lacking the capacity to speak from an educated perspective; i.e. having actually read the Bible.
People who don't actually read the Bible but feel they have to argue the Bible aren't really making any other point than they're here to be argumentative.

Hi Tiny Bible, I understand what you are saying. Yes, it is frustrating when we know someone is parroting and not relying on scripture. The problem with your frustration is you have not claimed who are the ones who are causing your frustration nor giving us the issues you are frustrated about. Complaints are worthless unless we know your thoughts. The jury is out on who of us you think has not studied. Actually, my advice would to stop blaming others, present the truth as you know it to be and then weigh what you read with the thoughts of others.

You have written that you do not sin against the 10 commandments. According to yourself you are perfect in regards to those 10 commands. You sure have stumped me. Maybe you can tell us all how you have accomplished such a feat.

 

[Tiny Bible]

Hi Tiny Bible, I understand what you are saying. Yes, it is frustrating when we know someone is parroting and not relying on scripture. The problem with your frustration is you have not claimed who are the ones who are causing your frustration nor giving us the issues you are frustrated about. Complaints are worthless unless we know your thoughts. The jury is out on who of us you think has not studied. Actually, my advice would to stop blaming others, present the truth as you know it to be and then weigh what you read with the thoughts of others.

Way to miss the point.
If you'd have read me from the beginning where I made the observation you'd know exactly to whom I was addressing those remarks. Because you would recognize whom it was that was demonstrating a lack of knowledge about scripture.
It isn't blame to post one notices cherry pickers with an ax to grind.

You have written that you do not sin against the 10 commandments. According to yourself you are perfect in regards to those 10 commands. You sure have stumped me. Maybe you can tell us all how you have accomplished such a feat.

Thanks for proving my prior point. And just to clear things up for those who may believe you, I've NEVER said I'm perfect.
Holding to the 10 Commandments, if you know them, isn't an example of perfection. In fact, it isn't hard to do if one considers the 10 and then considers what it takes to be in compliance.
Further, a moral life isn't perfection. The ten commandments are the moral laws and hold to this day save for the practice of honoring the Sabbath from sundown on Friday unto sundown on Saturday. Jesus is the Christians Sabbath rest and so when we're told to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, we're still doing just that when we hold faith in the Sabbath rest that is Jesus Christ. And not just on a sundown schedule but every day of our lives.
Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Bob S]

Thanks for proving my prior point. And just to clear things up for those who may believe you, I've NEVER said I'm perfect.

What prior point did I prove?

About the perfect thing? You could have fooled me when you wrote that you do not "violate" the 10. Since there are hundreds of issues dealing with morality and you just are dealing with 9 then I would agree that you didn't say you were perfect.

Holding to the 10 Commandments, if you know them, isn't an example of perfection. In fact, it isn't hard to do if one considers the 10 and then considers what it takes to be in compliance.

Concerning the 10 you stated you do not violate any of the 10. Holding to them and not violating them are two different things.One of the quotes of prophet Ellen was from the Old Testament and it had to do with the Sabbath and not doing our own way.. here, I will paste it for you to read and then you can tel me if you meet the requirements of the Sabbath law.
Lets be honest here. You wrote that you do not violate any of the 10 and I challenge you with scripture. Do your conversations speak your own words?
Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

When I was a SDA those verses plagued me every week until I finally gave up and only gave lip service to "keeping" Sabbath just like my peers did.

Further, a moral life isn't perfection.

It is if you don't break any laws that pertain to morality.

The ten commandments are the moral laws and hold to this day save for the practice of honoring the Sabbath from sundown on Friday unto sundown on Saturday.

Hold on there my friend. You were so distraught because someone didn't know what they were talking about. First of all the Sabbath law was not a moral law. It was a ritual law just like all of the Holy days God gave only to Israel. Secondly, Since you are scripturally savvy you know that Paul wrote in 2Cor3:7-11 that the 10 commandments were temporary or transitory. Just how could "they hold to this day"? They were the guide for Israel. Christians have been given a new guide, one that does not condemn. When we become born again Christians we receive, as a gift from Jesus, the Holy Spirit. He is our guide and He lives in our hearts.

Jesus is the Christians Sabbath rest and so when we're told to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, we're still doing just that when we hold faith in the Sabbath rest that is Jesus Christ. And not just on a sundown schedule but every day of our lives.
Hope that clears it up for you.

If I understand you correctly by using Sabbath with rest you are really saying Saturday rest rest or better yet Seventh-day rest rest. If it is not capitalized sabbath means rest. Jesus has invited us to rest in Him today. Heb 4 That is spiritual rest.

We are not told to "keep" it holy, so all are mute points.[/QUOTE]

 

[bugkiller]

There appears to be a trend here wherein someone disagrees with someone about scripture, etc... and they're then charged with doing so because they have an issue with those who disagree with them.
What is apparent is those types don't realize they're implicating themselves in that same accusation when they bother to do that.

No, my remarks were quite clear. It becomes obvious when someone has never read the scriptures, or when they have cherry picked in order to then enter into a doctrinal discussion thread and take issue with those who have read the Bible.

It isn't a matter of taking issue with those who are of a different opinion, rather it is a matter of qualifications that are lacking when someone attempts to take issue with Bible aware Christians when that individual poster is clearly lacking the capacity to speak from an educated perspective; i.e. having actually read the Bible.
People who don't actually read the Bible but feel they have to argue the Bible aren't really making any other point than they're here to be argumentative.

Nice dismissal without ever discussing the passages we've presented. Fact is you can't establish your point with the whole of Scripture.

A real good example is JN 15:10 a favorite of mine because it gets your into trouble any way you choose to explain it by your view point. And that is most likely why its avoided like the plague while JN 14:15 is used by your camp and for a reason. When I first came to this site I was asked where I got that passage from as a then current SDA said they never heard it.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So, it's not so much a question of who's got a blind spot in their thinking, but rather who doesn't think they have a splinter in their eye.


Some of the most contentious doctrinal discussions (debates) are between two highly educated Biblical professionals that know the Bible forwards and backwards. Each one thinks they have the most correct interpretation.


Take atheists for example. They tend to be highly educated and many have read the entire Bible more than once. The common response is why would a loving God send good people to Hell just because they aren't followers of Jesus. They also go out of their way to point out what they see as contradictions in the Word. My take is that they basically see themselves as a good person. However, when they read the New Testament it convicts them of their sin. They don't like to think of themself as a sinner, so when reading the Gospels they come to the conclusion that they couldn't surrender all to become a disciple/follower of Jesus.

They rest on their own laurels and certainly do their fair share of humanitarian good works. Probably their main reason for rejecting Christianity is because of what they view as hypoocrisy within the Christian Church.

I think some atheists behave much better than a lot of Christians. I have a hard time with seeing any difference between most church people and the unbeliever. Christians destroy their own message. Its a problem with wrong focus. The unbeliever looks at people rather than looking to God.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Way to miss the point.
If you'd have read me from the beginning where I made the observation you'd know exactly to whom I was addressing those remarks. Because you would recognize whom it was that was demonstrating a lack of knowledge about scripture.
It isn't blame to post one notices cherry pickers with an ax to grind.

Thanks for proving my prior point. And just to clear things up for those who may believe you, I've NEVER said I'm perfect.
Holding to the 10 Commandments, if you know them, isn't an example of perfection. In fact, it isn't hard to do if one considers the 10 and then considers what it takes to be in compliance.
Further, a moral life isn't perfection. The ten commandments are the moral laws and hold to this day save for the practice of honoring the Sabbath from sundown on Friday unto sundown on Saturday. Jesus is the Christians Sabbath rest and so when we're told to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, we're still doing just that when we hold faith in the Sabbath rest that is Jesus Christ. And not just on a sundown schedule but every day of our lives.
Hope that clears it up for you.

Kool, just excuse yourself by back peddling. We didn't force you to say your compliant or your current confession you're not.

bugkiller

 

[Tiny Bible]

Nice dismissal without ever discussing the passages we've presented. Fact is you can't establish your point with the whole of Scripture.

A real good example is JN 15:10 a favorite of mine because it gets your into trouble any way you choose to explain it by your view point. And that is most likely why its avoided like the plague while JN 14:15 is used by your camp and for a reason. When I first came to this site I was asked where I got that passage from as a then current SDA said they never heard it.

bugkiller

My camp?
And who are the "we" of whom you make reference?
And last I looked bugkiller it was against the rules to imply someone is not a Christian. Do be aware of that when you decide to personally attack me in future.

 

[Bob S]

My camp?
And who are the "we" of whom you make reference?
And last I looked bugkiller it was against the rules to imply someone is not a Christian. Do be aware of that when you decide to personally attack me in future.

For someone to criticize someone else "because they have never read scriptures" when you don't have any idea what they have read isn't the best way to debate is it?

I read bugkiller's post and I surely didn't find that he implied " someone is not a Christian" and that it was a personal attack? It seems like you tried to use what he wrote as being personal and then threatened him with it. Christianity 101 tells us, even if were true, to turn the other cheek.

 

[Tiny Bible]

For someone to criticize someone else "because they have never read scriptures" when you don't have any idea what they have read isn't the best way to debate is it?

I read bugkiller's post and I surely didn't find that he implied " someone is not a Christian" and that it was a personal attack? It seems like you tried to use what he wrote as being personal and then threatened him with it. Christianity 101 tells us, even if were true, to turn the other cheek.

Fascinating how the new member has a predisposition to defend a long term one. And both of you project the most unsubstantial allusions to my motives for speaking as well.
Threaten him? Perhaps you're not familiar with the rules. My remarks concerned his violating them and the advice that that was not in his best interest because they are the rules here; you are not permitted to imply someone is not a Christian.

Furthermore, I know that those who are familiar with debate protocol are aware that it is inane to even imagine one can enter into a debate without knowing the topic under discussion.
The word of God tells us an intelligent heart acquires knowledge and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. The word does not state that the one devoid of knowledge makes excuses for why they are able to proceed feigning an intelligence they do not possess.

My remarks are not cutting as yours are. Rather, they are statements that you have demonstrated you don't know the scriptures that surround, in this case the moral law of God as applies in the New Testament, and as delivered in the Old, and instead you're now committed to personal attacks to offset that evidence.

This is the last time I'll entertain your efforts in that regard.
If you wish to learn something about the authority of the ten commandments, which Jesus revisited in his ministry, you may read the New Testament books that would include Romans chapter 3 and 1 Corinthians chapter 10 in full. As well as Jeremiah 31, which is found in the Old Testament.

If you wish to venture to other sources that can assist your education in the matter this site synopsizes what I and other learned others have been saying well enough.

What Did Jesus Teach About the Ten Commandments?
By COGwriter
Some said Jesus did away with the ten commandments. They say that by leading a sinless life, He fulfilled them for us. Although it is true that Jesus lead a sinless life (Heb 4:15), does that mean He wanted us to continue in sin? What did Jesus teach about each of the ten commandments? At risk of repetition, His teachings are quoted in this section as often as they are quoted in the New Testament. Before you read them, ask yourself, if Jesus was doing away with the ten commandments, why would He have spent so much time teaching people to keep them and allowed so much space in the New Testament to be devoted to them?

Commandment 1 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and the great commandment" (Mat 22:37). "And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment" (Mk 12:30). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8).

Commandment 2 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8). "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24). "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam...to eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:14). "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, because you allow...My servants to...eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:20).

Commandment 3 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men" (Mat 12:31). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,...blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20).

Commandment 4 "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:11-12). "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath" (Mat 24:20); there would be no reason to pray this if the Sabbath was not going to be in existence. "And He said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mk 2:27); this verse tells all who will see which day is the Lord's Day. "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue" (Mk 6:2). "And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16). "Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths" (Luke 4:31). "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath...Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?" (Luke 6:5,9). "But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath...The Lord then answered him and said, 'Hypocrite...So ought not this woman...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?'" (Luke (13:14-16). "'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'...And they could not answer Him regarding these things" (Luke 14:3,6). "are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" (John 7:23).

Commandment 5 "For God commanded saying, 'Honor your father and your mother' and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death'" (Mat 15:4). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mat 19:19). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 7:10). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Honor your father and your mother" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 6 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder', and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" (Mat 5:21-22). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not murder" (Mat 19:18). "...murders...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Do not murder" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not murder" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 7 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery'. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mat 5:27-28). "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 5:32). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...adulteries, fornications...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 19:9). "You shall not commit adultery" (Mat 19:18). "...adulteries, fornications...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mk 10:11-12). "Do not commit adultery" (Mk 10:19). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18). "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery" (Luke 18:20). "'Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery'...And Jesus said to her...'sin no more'" (John 8:4,11). "Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation" (Rev 2:22).

Commandment 8 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...thefts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not steal" (Mat 19:18). "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer', but you have made it a den of thieves" (Mat 21:13). "...thefts...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23). "Do not steal" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:... Do not steal" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 9 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, do not swear at all" (Mat 5:33-34). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not bear false witness" (Mat 19:18). "Do not bear false witness" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not bear false witness" (Luke 18:20). "And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Rev 2:2).

Commandment 10 "Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on" (Mat 6:25). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "...covetousness...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23).

"I have kept My Father's commandments" (John 15:10).

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

• My thoughts are that the groups and preachers you cited were and are ignorant.

You have free will - you can condemn them that way if you wish.

I wouldn't -- because in this case some of what they say is actually found in the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Can anyone present a passage indicating the Christian is required to keep any of the law?

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"It is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

 

[bugkiller]

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"It is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

Wow! Scratch hasn't been here in ages. He said he was unduly harassed by some certain people who weren't posters.

You intend for us to believe that Paul says we're to keep (observe) the law by quoting Rom 3:31. So what do you do with Rom 7:6 that says we're delivered from the law? Your either trying to make a fool out of Paul or dismissing him and what we call the Scripture as truth.

You continue to promote the idea keeping the law over accepting grace (believing in Jesus the Christ is what provides salvation. Sorry but there's no support for this in the Bible.

You only condemn yourself with Rom 2 because you're not a doer of the law unless someone gave you permission to amend it. The evidence is the law is done away with in Gal 3:19 for instance. Paul further states the law is dead in Rom 6 and 7. If its dead it can't do anything in regard to the believer.

bugkiller

 

[Hieronymus]

another late short reply to the topic title, if you don't mind:

God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

Both or neither?
We're sinners, so if wee keep them, we break them, so that would be both.

But Jesus Christ reduced the 10 to guidelines, because they're subordinate to the 2 great equal Laws of Love (Agape).
And through Him we do not keep nor break the 10 anymore, technically.

...so now we break the 2 great equals Laws of Love, a.k.a. the Law of Christ...

 

[Tiny Bible]

There is that scripture that assures the redeemed that they are not sinners. Though they may sin.

 

[bugkiller]

For someone to criticize someone else "because they have never read scriptures" when you don't have any idea what they have read isn't the best way to debate is it?

I read bugkiller's post and I surely didn't find that he implied " someone is not a Christian" and that it was a personal attack? It seems like you tried to use what he wrote as being personal and then threatened him with it. Christianity 101 tells us, even if were true, to turn the other cheek.

Thanks dear brother.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Fascinating how the new member has a predisposition to defend a long term one. And both of you project the most unsubstantial allusions to my motives for speaking as well.
Threaten him? Perhaps you're not familiar with the rules. My remarks concerned his violating them and the advice that that was not in his best interest because they are the rules here; you are not permitted to imply someone is not a Christian.

Furthermore, I know that those who are familiar with debate protocol are aware that it is inane to even imagine one can enter into a debate without knowing the topic under discussion.
The word of God tells us an intelligent heart acquires knowledge and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. The word does not state that the one devoid of knowledge makes excuses for why they are able to proceed feigning an intelligence they do not possess.

My remarks are not cutting as yours are. Rather, they are statements that you have demonstrated you don't know the scriptures that surround, in this case the moral law of God as applies in the New Testament, and as delivered in the Old, and instead you're now committed to personal attacks to offset that evidence.

This is the last time I'll entertain your efforts in that regard.
If you wish to learn something about the authority of the ten commandments, which Jesus revisited in his ministry, you may read the New Testament books that would include Romans chapter 3 and 1 Corinthians chapter 10 in full. As well as Jeremiah 31, which is found in the Old Testament.

If you wish to venture to other sources that can assist your education in the matter this site synopsizes what I and other learned others have been saying well enough.

What Did Jesus Teach About the Ten Commandments?
By COGwriter
Some said Jesus did away with the ten commandments. They say that by leading a sinless life, He fulfilled them for us. Although it is true that Jesus lead a sinless life (Heb 4:15), does that mean He wanted us to continue in sin? What did Jesus teach about each of the ten commandments? At risk of repetition, His teachings are quoted in this section as often as they are quoted in the New Testament. Before you read them, ask yourself, if Jesus was doing away with the ten commandments, why would He have spent so much time teaching people to keep them and allowed so much space in the New Testament to be devoted to them?

Commandment 1 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and the great commandment" (Mat 22:37). "And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment" (Mk 12:30). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8).

Commandment 2 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8). "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24). "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam...to eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:14). "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, because you allow...My servants to...eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:20).

Commandment 3 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men" (Mat 12:31). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,...blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20).

Commandment 4 "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:11-12). "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath" (Mat 24:20); there would be no reason to pray this if the Sabbath was not going to be in existence. "And He said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mk 2:27); this verse tells all who will see which day is the Lord's Day. "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue" (Mk 6:2). "And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16). "Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths" (Luke 4:31). "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath...Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?" (Luke 6:5,9). "But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath...The Lord then answered him and said, 'Hypocrite...So ought not this woman...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?'" (Luke (13:14-16). "'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'...And they could not answer Him regarding these things" (Luke 14:3,6). "are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" (John 7:23).

Commandment 5 "For God commanded saying, 'Honor your father and your mother' and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death'" (Mat 15:4). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mat 19:19). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 7:10). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Honor your father and your mother" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 6 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder', and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" (Mat 5:21-22). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not murder" (Mat 19:18). "...murders...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Do not murder" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not murder" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 7 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery'. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mat 5:27-28). "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 5:32). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...adulteries, fornications...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 19:9). "You shall not commit adultery" (Mat 19:18). "...adulteries, fornications...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mk 10:11-12). "Do not commit adultery" (Mk 10:19). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18). "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery" (Luke 18:20). "'Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery'...And Jesus said to her...'sin no more'" (John 8:4,11). "Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation" (Rev 2:22).

Commandment 8 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...thefts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not steal" (Mat 19:18). "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer', but you have made it a den of thieves" (Mat 21:13). "...thefts...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23). "Do not steal" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:... Do not steal" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 9 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, do not swear at all" (Mat 5:33-34). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not bear false witness" (Mat 19:18). "Do not bear false witness" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not bear false witness" (Luke 18:20). "And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Rev 2:2).

Commandment 10 "Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on" (Mat 6:25). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "...covetousness...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23).

"I have kept My Father's commandments" (John 15:10).

I've been here long enough to read right through you. You type has a certain behavior pattern. This doesn't even begin to touch on my personal interaction with people of your particular and peculiar persuasion. I know your language. And guess what others here have as much experience and more. BTW I've read the Bible straight thru cover to cover more than a couple times.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

There is that scripture that assures the redeemed that they are not sinners. Though they may sin.

Did you quote it just then?

 

[BobRyan]

another late short reply to the topic title, if you don't mind:

God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

Both or neither?
We're sinners, so if wee keep them, we break them, so that would be both.

But Jesus Christ reduced the 10 to guidelines, because they're subordinate to the 2 great equal Laws of Love (Agape).
And through Him we do not keep nor break the 10 anymore, technically.

...so now we break the 2 great equals Laws of Love, a.k.a. the Law of Christ...

Jesus did not reduce the LAW of God in the least - according to Jesus in Matt 5.

In Matt 22 Jesus says that all the LAW and the prophets are based on the immovable foundation of Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5. Pointing to their solid foundation did not abolish them - it pointed to their rock solid standing - until "heaven and earth shall pass away"

 

[BobRyan]

You continue to promote the idea keeping the law over accepting grace

Not in real life - so you simply 'quote you' for that form of false accusation.