God's Morality

[BAFRIEND]

Fellow Christians, "Do not go in circles with atheists." is my motto. You think Jesus or his disciples would have wasted their time on this ?

The title is "Questions by Non-Christians". Not "Debates".

No offense,but I have looked at your other "questions" and you are just playing games.

If any of my brothers and sisters in Christ want to go along with this charade, be my guest. I am just letting you know that this is going nowhere.

Don't go chasing shooting stars.

 

[LetHimThatGlories]

Fellow Christians, "Do not go in circles with atheists." is my motto. You think Jesus or his disciples would have wasted their time on this ?

The title is "Questions by Non-Christians". Not "Debates".

No offense,but I have looked at your other "questions" and you are just playing games.

If any of my brothers and sisters in Christ want to go along with this charade, be my guest. I am just letting you know that this is going nowhere.

Don't go chasing shooting stars.

Personally, if I have the time, I enjoy posting in these threads as long as things stay civil. Regardless of the intentions of the OP, I find it useful to practice formulating responses to these types of questions.

And after all, we may plant the seeds, but God is the one who gives the increase.

God Bless

 

[Stinker]

You misunderstand. The universal moral equality does not span over time. We have realized that slavery for example is wrong, and now we consider it immoral. The double standard would be that if I told you that when I kill someone it is moral and when you kill someone it is immoral. It applies to current time, and only to the current time. Look into Kant's Categorical Imperative to learn more about it.

The "universal moral equality" Without God, such does not exist.

 

[salida]

Umaro---

Because God is God and humans arn't. Therefore, He can because He is Infinite, All Knowing, Unlimited - sees things that we can't remotely understand. He is the Creator we are just the creatures. He way is ABOVE are ways.

Who can know the mind of God! Its because HE CAN. Are you going to tell the sculpture how to mold his clay. He is the sculpture and we are the clay Mr. Umaro.

 

[Umaro]

The "universal moral equality" Without God, such does not exist.

Then where exactly do I get my morals from? Morality has been shown that it can exist independent of a God.

 

[Key]

If you take a moral as true, then it must apply in all instances. There cannot be a double standard.

Sure there can... you do not face 25 years to Life.. of you stopped at McD's for a Hamburger.. however.. a cow had to be killed for that meat.

So we see that there is a double standard.. it is ok to kill the cow for food.. but it is not ok to kill a human for food. If I was to apply the logic that there can not be a double standard, then all killing is equal, and we know that is not true.

Just as if you had fries with that. The corn oil is made from plat seeds, which is basically the unborn part of the plant, The Potato had to be dug up.. then cut up.. and finally deep friend till dead.. for you to eat it. But if you were to cook an old man in the blood of unborn babies, that would be sick.

So because we see this double standard, and even embrace it. We need to equally apply it to God.

God is not a Human, God is the Creator of Humans. Just as Human is not a Potato.

I hope I have explained that to you.

God Bless

Key.

 

[BAFRIEND]

How many of you, my Fellow Christians, have posted on non-Christian forums and mentioned that you were a Christian and had three or four other posters scoff, berate, or belittle you ? How many of you heard that you were trying to force religion on other posters when in fact you were not ?

I think what this question section was originally intended for was a question like, "I have never been to Church before but I would like to have the experience for my kids, how should I prepare my children for the experience of being in a Christian community and how do you make friends and become involved ?"

Not for "questions" like, "I am an atheist and I believe your false God is an immoral murderer and prove to me he is not !"

I just vistited another thread where an atheist posted he dislikes religion, this person has over 1200 posts on this forum !! Are you kidding me ?! If these guys came to your home and started this stuff with your kids would you put up with it ? There are thousands of forums on the WEB. Why is it that this is the one they have to come to and attack Christians and bait with nonsense, and of all places and challenge us ? Is it that the Lord had guided them so that we might pray for them ?

 

[Key]

How many of you, my Fellow Christians, have posted on non-Christian forums and mentioned that you were a Christian and had three or four other posters scoff, berate, or belittle you ? How many of you heard that you were trying to force religion on other posters when in fact you were not ?

I think what this question section was originally intended for was a question like, "I have never been to Church before but I would like to have the experience for my kids, how should I prepare my children for the experience of being in a Christian community and how do you make friends and become involved ?"

Not for "questions" like, "I am an atheist and I believe your false God is an immoral murderer and prove to me he is not !"

I just vistited another thread where an atheist posted he dislikes religion, this person has over 1200 posts on this forum !! Are you kidding me ?! If these guys came to your home and started this stuff with your kids would you put up with it ? There are thousands of forums on the WEB. Why is it that this is the they have to come to and attack Christians and bait with nonsense, of all places and challenge us ? Is it that the Lord had guided them so that we might pray for them ?

This is a great question.......

I wish I had an answer... mostly I ignore questions like this..or just use them as a means to test my Apologetic skill.

God Bless

Key

 

[BAFRIEND]

Man, I don't want and am not trying to exclude others, but sometimes it gets to me. Peace to all.

 

[SoapySam]

Your question is metaphysical in nature just like your question about the soul.

You have a dog ? Does your dog understand that when you go out the front door in the morning that you are going to work or understand that money buys dog food ? What is the relatipnship between you and the dog ? Does your dog understand your doings ? Not precisely. In the same way God does things we can never comprehend in the physical life.

Can God sin ? No.

I hope this helps.

PS- "If you take a moral as true, then it must apply in all instances". "Moral" comes from the Latin "mores" which means to imitate. If you were a person living in Nazi Germany what would it mean to be moral (imitate)? Maybe you are thinking more in terms of Ethics ? Of course a moral cannot apply in all instances because it is based on the culture.

I thought the Latin noun "mores" meant custom, behavioural standard, something of that ilk. I'm pretty sure it's not a verb. (As in the expression "O tempora! O mores!" (The times! The customs!")").

Morality is a characteristic of individuals in a group context. It's about how you behave towards others. Moral behaviour varies from place to place and time to time. For example, most of us now would consider it immoral to kidnap Africans and ship them to the Carolinas to pick tobacco, yet there was a time when most white people, many of whom would have claimed to be Christians, found it perfectly acceptable. Either they were morally wrong, or we are.

If we accept the existence of an immortal, solitary, non-human entity of unlimited power and ability, it's hard to see how the term "morality" could meaningfully apply to it's behaviour.

By the same argument, it's hard to see why human-human behavioural standards would concern such an entity.

 

[Rafael]

Why does God kill the firstborn? Well, why does God let death exist at all would be a better question, and the answer is simple. Love does not exist between two beings without a choice. Because of David's sin, death was the result. Because of Adam's sin, death was the result. Because of the love of God that endured the nails and suffering of the cross, ALL have opportunity of eternal life - including the firstborn of Egypt or any other firstborn. Nothing is lost to God that He cannot restore.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I thought the Latin noun "mores" meant custom, behavioural standard, something of that ilk. I'm pretty sure it's not a verb. (As in the expression "O tempora! O mores!" (The times! The customs!")").

Morality is a characteristic of individuals in a group context. It's about how you behave towards others. Moral behaviour varies from place to place and time to time. For example, most of us now would consider it immoral to kidnap Africans and ship them to the Carolinas to pick tobacco, yet there was a time when most white people, many of whom would have claimed to be Christians, found it perfectly acceptable. Either they were morally wrong, or we are.

If we accept the existence of an immortal, solitary, non-human entity of unlimited power and ability, it's hard to see how the term "morality" could meaningfully apply to it's behaviour.

By the same argument, it's hard to see why human-human behavioural standards would concern such an entity.

Thanks for the opinion. All viewpoints are valid. But I think I will stick with my own understanding of morality and ethics. I have a degree in Philosphy with a concentration in Ethics.
Also- parts of your explanation of morality sound erily like imitation. What do you suppose "custom" is ?
Consider the term "Christian Morality" = imitating Christ.
Were you paraphrasing at all from a Latin dictionary when you wrote any of that ?

 

[SoapySam]

Nope, just recalling lessons from Latin class, circa 1970.

But I don't think I'm supposed to post in this area, so I'll wish you well , and duck out of the discussion.

 

[SoapySam]

Ooops. Double post, sorry.