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God's love

TheListener

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Does God seem to have double standards or is 'love' something different than what we are told it is?

In the OT why does God seem so merciless (justified in Romans 9 below) yet He tells us what love is in 1 Corinthians in a completely different set of standards. What is your opinion on this?
Verses are below for quick reference.


1 Corinthians 13

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Romans 9

1I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen. 6It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."[c]
10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."[e]
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:
"I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;
and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one,"[i] 26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.' "[j]
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
"Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality."[k]
29It is just as Isaiah said previously:
"Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah."[l]
 

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the bible was written by people who, in part, projected their own standards onto god, this is why you see such inconsistancies in the bible.

as christians it is our job to see gods love in the light of the person and works of jesus christ, not the bible.
 
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Cleany said:
the bible was written by people who, in part, projected their own standards onto god, this is why you see such inconsistancies in the bible.

Not according to 2 Timothy 3:16.

Cleany said:
as christians it is our job to see gods love in the light of the person and works of jesus christ, not the bible.

If we can't get our information about the person and works of Jesus from the Bible because as you said it is tainted by human thoughts, where do we turn?
 
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TheListener said:
Not according to 2 Timothy 3:16.



If we can't get our information about the person and works of Jesus from the Bible because as you said it is tainted by human thoughts, where do we turn?
I think we seek God the same way Paul told people to seek God when there was no Bible. We individually seek God by being loving and by letting God reveal Him self to us. The story of Jesus being tainted by humans gives us no excuse for not understanding the command to love each other.
 
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elman said:
I think we seek God the same way Paul told people to seek God when there was no Bible. We individually seek God by being loving and by letting God reveal Him self to us. The story of Jesus being tainted by humans gives us no excuse for not understanding the command to love each other.

If that story is "tainted", then why does God call it His word, in both the Bible and to individuals....Why just go by bits of scripture and not all when God calls all scripture His word? That doesn't work. You either believe the fullness of God's word or not.....you can't call bits truth and other bits lies or half truths....
 
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TheListener said:
If we can't get our information about the person and works of Jesus from the Bible because as you said it is tainted by human thoughts, where do we turn?
In my understanding of things, where I feel we get tainted is that instead of looking at God, we seem to be much more focused and interested in the words and beliefs about God.

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TheListener said:
He did for Thomas, did he not?
But...does God NEED to reveal Himself? Your previous question is a good one...if God doesn't reveal Himself, than where do we turn? I'm suggesting that we turn to Gratefulness.

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TheListener said:
Where do we learn about gratefulness then?
Gratefulness swells up from our soul. Just as is Love and Anger, it's a part of what being a Human Being is about.

Basically, I don't believe that God needs to reveal Himself to a person. There are other ways for people to benefit.

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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
God is Love. God is compassion.

At least, that is my ideal God. I don't hesitate to call those qualities God. As long as there is love and compassion, God is said to exist in the human mind. Scriptures or science can't prove or disprove what the mind wants to think. It can think of God.
You can think of green elephants. That has nothing to do with reality. I do agree with your theology however in the sense that if we love we can have hope that the Creator is in us and if we do not love our neighbor, we face the possiblity that we do not have the Creator in us.
 
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Hi Listener,

"Does God seem to have double standards or is 'love' something different than what we are told it is?"

No, God doesn't have a double-standard, Man does, Paul being a perfect example. How beautiful his words are in 1 Corinthians 13--he should have stopped right there.
 
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