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As you mentioned Unrepentant sin. Have you the time now to answer the question asked you in the other thread?I do not judge you but your statement above has no basis in truth. It is the believer in God's Word that is safe from the judgement. Those that do not believe God's Word and are living their lives in known unrepentant sin are the ones that are in danger of the judgement. It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days.
James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
1 Peter 4:17-18,
17, For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
You are not saying we need to obey Gods laws for salvation???Hi Stuart,
I do not have any problem at all. I believe God's Words. I am not saying that we need to obey God's Law for salvation and never have only you are suggesting this. By you even suggesting this only shows me you have either not read my first 4 x posts of the OP or are intentionally trying to suggest things that are not true. Examples provided below for your consideration. This post will address your earlier posts because your premise is that I am telling people they are saved by obeying the TC which I am not.
In Bold at in the 1st OP...
Read all of the 2nd OP (example)
Who says you must obey the TC to be saved? Certainly not me. Now if I have just copied and pasted just a few examples from the above from the OP how does what you are saying match up? Only you are suggesting that I have said we must obey the TC to be saved I never have. If only you are saying this then you have no argument because it is only with your self that you are arguing with. Therefore you have not argument.
Your suggestions are misleading on your behalf as it only says that you have either intentionally trying to mislead others as to what the OP is saying or you have not read the OP, which is it?
Let me ask you a question here in this OP.
Is someone practicing known, unrepentant sin in a saved or unsaved sate? Are these people believers or Unbelievers in God's Word?
In Christ Always
WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..
1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 15:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)
Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……
1. Paul teaches that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tellw gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul askw that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6. Paul tells gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
7 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
8. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
(see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
9. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
James also affirms the 10 commandments…….
1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)
Let me try and explain something to you.I do not judge you but your statement above has no basis in truth. It is the believer in God's Word that is safe from the judgement. Those that do not believe God's Word and are living their lives in known unrepentant sin are the ones that are in danger of the judgement. It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days.
James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
1 Peter 4:17-18,
17, For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
I do not judge you but your statement above has no basis in truth. It is the believer in God's Word that is safe from the judgement. Those that do not believe God's Word and are living their lives in known unrepentant sin are the ones that are in danger of the judgement. It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days.
James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
1 Peter 4:17-18,
17, For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
No. JN 316 and 5:24.Your choosing not to believe God's Word. This is your choice. God never forces anyone to follow him. The 4th commandment is one of the 10 and if we break one of the 10 we are guilty before God and are in danger of the judgement unless we seek God and repent.
James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
No it is not. There is no distinction about the law in Acts.Acts is talking about the ceremonial Laws of Moses the same as Colossians. In the case of Acts circumcision which was a shadow of the new covenant.
Deuteronomy 30:6,
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou may live.
Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
If you say so. I just do not believe you.I have no confusion because I believe and trust in the Word of God.
You have lots of trouble. Jesus did not give the 10 Cs per JN 1:17. If you want to be judged by the law, that is fine with me. You will be found guilty and condemned. I have already passed teh judgment and have eternal life. JN 5:24.Jesus is my foundation because he is the Word (John 1:12-14). He promises us salvation from our sins if we believe Him (John 3:16). If we do not believe him then we are an unbeliever and unbelievers have no part in God's kingdom. God loves all of us and is not willing that any of us should be lost (2 Peter 3:9). We should believe His word because it is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days (John 12:47-48). If we are following man made traditions breaking God's Law then we are not following God as is clearly shown in His Word.
Once again I say you have lots of trouble.Mat 15:3-9,
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Yes.What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
No you insert an addition to the text and take the text out of context.2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
Yes.3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
Yes, but you mean the 7th day sabbath. I entered this sabbath rest by accepting teh invitation of Jesus in Mat 11:28-30.4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
Oy vey!!! are yuo listening to what you quote?5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
Yes of you are obligated to it. No because The Christian can not break it. The reason is the law has no jurisdiction.6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
Just gloating on your part attempting to manipulate the ignorant into keeping the law.7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
Yes Jesus is our example. That does not mean live like a Jew. That means do not live a lifestyle of sin. Jesus no where said to keep the sabbath even when asked what must I do to secure eternal life.8. Jesus is our example and kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22 )
None of which back up your point.9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
I do not understand why this does not apply to you. At best you keep an amended version oft he 4th commandment. That means youa re following a man (woman) made tradition.Who should we follow the Word of God or man-made traditions which break God's Law?
No you do not. You can claim that all you want though.I know the Holy Spirit gas written the law in believers minds and placed it in their hearts. I keep repeating it.
Know Jesus, no law. Know law, no Jesus. Know law, no grace. Know grace, no law.Friend,
It is not about complying with the Law. It is about knowing Jesus and believing God's Word and by faith accepting God's free gift of salvation. God's salvation is from sin not in sin. Salvation is by faith in the Word of God. Believe His promises and you will walk in the Spirit and bare much fruit. Jesus says without me you can do nothing but with Jesus we can do all things because he strengthens us. (Romans 8:4; Matthew 7:17-21; John 15:5; Philippians 4:13)
Romans 3:31,
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Well I do actually, for:No you do not. You can claim that all you want though.
bugkiller
Where did I say something that stupid? It is the Holy spirit that convicts me, not the law. Besides that the law condemns.Well I do actually, for:
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
And strangely, I guess, to you. When Christians commit sin, they are not solely conscious they committed sin for they failed to love as they should
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20Where did I say something that stupid? It is the Holy spirit that convicts me, not the law.
bugkiller
Dude I got a whipping with a leather belt for doing something wrong.Through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20
As for stupid comments.
You did say in the other thread when your fanny changed colour, in regard to being conscious of sin.
Most profound
I got my mouth washed out with soapDude I got a whipping with a leather belt for doing something wrong.
bugkiller
Dido for cussing. But a whipping for taking some one's stuff.I got my mouth washed out with soap
Are you saying Christians are to obey 9 of the 10 commandments, but not the 4th commandment (Sabbath)?
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