In the O.T. there were many instances and prescriptions to kill people for various things, such as violating the sabbath, mocking god and his laws, worshiping false gods, being very ungodly, etc...
In modern times people don't do this much, and
the ones that do are usually mocked and called criminals by the rest of the Christian community.
So why do Christians find obeying certain O.T. rules and regs (like condemning homosexuality) and not follow the other more important ones, like killing people that violate the sabbath (numbers 15, 32-35)?
After all, obeying the sabbath is one of God's
top 10 commandments, yet no one follows the commands and precepts laid down in the bible regarding it, but the feel righteous indignation regarding homosexuals and whatnot...
Oh sure, murder, adultery, and worshiping idols are all sinful because of the ten commandments, but that stuff about the sabbath was nullified by the N.T. ya, right.
So what's the deal Christians? You're told to love God before you love others, so why don't you kill violators of the sabbath?
For the record, I'm not religious.
Hi, I just want to state for the record I'm not so sure you got this bit right:
prescriptions to kill people for various things, such as violating the sabbath, mocking god and his laws, worshiping false gods, being very ungodly, etc...
without checking leviticus (the laws, the one in blue is one I am certain is a law in leviticus the others I'm not sure of..though for sure worhsipping false gods is in 10 commandments, just not sure how it's covered in the levitical law at the moment.
okay,
Christians many do not keep the 10 commandments and we are not to. many say they do and they don't. First we are not under the 10 commandments but the ones who say we are, do not keep the sabbath. If they kept the sabbath, they would follow the directions to keep the sabbath holy. It's written in the bible about it, and is very detailed.
by the way, I am not referring to those who are Messianics, who do try to keep the laws, 10 commandments and levitical laws. Messianics are believers in Christ ,some Jewish some Gentile and have variety of different beliefs and practices among them.
That's a different topic, i am talking about Christians in general
The ones who say we are to keep the 10 commandments, what they must do, is they must say, well, the sabbath is to me, sunday, so yeah, i keep the sabbath. NOT. cause as i said, unless they do all that is required as pertains to the sabbath they are violating that commandment. And they just call it sunday, the day they worship, the sabbath, and then they do or do not do certain things as they feel led to or led not to do. Has nothing to do with what is actually to be done as detailed in the bible on the sabbath.
But they are not keeping the Sabbath which is written of in the 10 commandments.
The other commandments are things we are not to do or do, even today as sin is sin and sin never changes. Though the bible does not contain every sin there is.
on this commandment:
You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
No one quite knows what this is about imo.
Some say it means you can't use God's name as a swear word.
Some say other things.
I personally think it means, don't say God says when God doesn't say, or something like that.
So anyway, we are not under the 10 commandments, but nonetheless sin is sin.
murder is sin, etc.
the Sabbath is the key which proves is not to us in NT times under Christ, as gentiles never were given the sabbath, was only given to the Hebrews, the Jewish people.
I dont' think it's an accurate statement to say as you said above that those who do not do as you listed are considered criminals by Christians.
That is not accurate tho may be some feel that way but would be the minority, as fairly much Christians know that all of us sin and mess up, so no, we don't look at those who mess up as criminals, as we ourselves mess up as well. as do all people.
onto the homosexuality question. (well on this one, yup some do go after homosexuals and somehow forget that they sin as well)
okay, now i've explained to you that we are not under the 10 commandments, never were and we are not under levitical law (that is law that is contained in the book of leviticus where stonings for violating the law occurred and other penalties, depending on the violation)
So we are not under the levitical law, it was only given to the Jews.
Christ came and fulfilled the law, we live in a time period if you will of grace.
No one is under the law (again recall my disclaimer on Messianics)
Now we are under commandments contained in the New Testament. Commandments are what we are to do and are not to do. And we strive not to do or to do whichever. and we fail and fall short, we all do, as all sin, and not all even know yet what it's about, as they may be new in their walk with God, or may be old in their walk with God but have not perhaps, ventured on certain scriptures, or it hasn't struck them, their minds, as to do or not to.
sorry for the length here.
so i think i've explained..we don't kill for violations of the law because the laws were not given to us, and Christ has fulfilled the laws, and we are not under them, and never were, only the Jewish people were and they (if believers in Christ) also no longer are under the law.
back to homosexuals.
in the old testament God gives a few things on some topics, or sins..one being homosexuals..gives them in several places..there's more on the list but that's one of em.
in the nt, same is written, about it being sin as well.
Now, for some unknown to me reason, some Christians think homosexuality is the worst sin of all.
It's not. It's the same as any sin in God's eyes, and Christians sin. Christians are forgiven sin, but Christians sin as well.
Sexual immorality is a sin, Christians sin.
So I do not know why Christians go after this particular sin rather than their own daughter living unmarried with their boyfriend.
Though i have my guesses as to why.
not just homosexuality, but any sexual immorality is passed down to others. Not in families, I mean, trying to gain acceptance as a social norm. (such as you rarely hear christians going after those unmarried as you would have 30 years or so back) now its's homosexuality as being unmarried and having sex has become the norm for society, though is sin.
There of course is movement in the country to stop people from condemning homosexuality, to allow for gay marriage and other laws as pertains, and there is in schools being taught that sexual immorality is okay, and that includes homosexuality.
This troubles many, including me.. that is that kids are being taught on public dollars that sexual immorality is not wrong, and is okay.
I understand why it's done, as they do not want kids to have great guilt over things they do, but there is also a movement going on as well.
talk to many kids now, and they'll say yeah, bisexuality is cool. that's fairly new and came out of this movement to teach kids that wrong is not wrong.
that is to make sin not sin.
God says all sin is wrong doing.
There are churches that say sin is not sin, certain sin at least.
Remember, we all sin, Christians included and can be any sin.
So it may well be the political movements/the problems at schools that trouble many Christians.
BUT
on the boards here, when talking to someone who is gay, to treat them as if they are a horrible person, when we/they ourselves commit just as many sins and do wrong all the time as well, is very wrong.
or to treat anyone as horrible regardless of the sin is wrong..
so to call out a certain sin as worse than another is wrong, that is in an individual manner I mean
That is what you see on the boards a lot.
But as to try to stop the political movements going on is a different situation.
Just as a non Christian may want Pluto to be named King (just making somethng up) and they go and fight for that right, Christians have the same right to say, nope, not going to let this occur and the war goes on.
same with abortion, etc.
so a long post to try to explain what may be or is going on, and why homosexuals are gone after as they are.
There are also Christians who are gay. Either they dont believe it's a sin, as some churches teach it's not, same as with any sexual immorallity,
or
they know it's sin but do it anyway.
other christians who are not homosexual do the very same..
when they participate in a sin, no matter what it is, they've either justified it in their mind that its okay,
or
they know better and do it anyway.
sorry for long post, but yup, we are not under any of the 10 commandments in the least.
however, any sin in the bible is sin and will always be sin and some sin is listed in the 10 commandments and elsewhere in the old testament, newtestament and there are sins not in the bible.
take care,
tapero
