"Goddidit"

[AV1611VET]

This much should be obvious. An omnimax being is logically impossible. Not to say that one cannot or does not exist, but that its existence would be illogical.

I've always said that God trumps logic.

Especially the Godhead, which violates the Law of Non-contradiction.

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[sandwiches]

I've always said that God trumps logic.

Especially the Godhead, which violates the Law of Non-contradiction.

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Maybe. The god of the Bible is not only illogical but also seems to defy common sense in much of its behavior. For instance, as you suggested in the other thread, your god may have removed all the evidence of a flood to prevent Noah from freaking out. If he can just disappear things at will, why go through all the trouble of creating the flood, flooding the world, having Noah build and ark, collect all animals, etc when he could have simply removed all evil people from the world and be done with it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe. The god of the Bible is not only illogical but also seems to defy common sense in much of its behavior. For instance, as you suggested in the other thread, your god may have removed all the evidence of a flood to prevent Noah from freaking out. If he can just disappear things at will, why go through all the trouble of creating the flood, flooding the world, having Noah build and ark, collect all animals, etc when he could have simply removed all evil people from the world and be done with it?

By doing it the way He did, i.e. slowly and methodically, it gave them a chance to convert.

What we call "deathbed conversions."

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

In my opinion, most of those who drowned (if not all of them), got saved before they died.

 

[sandwiches]

By doing it the way He did, i.e. slowly and methodically, it gave them a chance to convert.

What we call "deathbed conversions."

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

In my opinion, most of those who drowned (if not all of them), got saved before they died.

Of course, we know that not all atheists convert in times of fear and I could not even venture a guess as to what percentage does.

Also, I think this is something else that defies common sense and morality. By threat of violent and horrifyingly frightful death (as is drowning) your god supposedly may have extracted retractions and conversion from people. So far YHWH is illogical, has no common sense and uses unethical methods to extract what he wants forcefully. Ouch.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I've always said that God trumps logic.

Especially the Godhead, which violates the Law of Non-contradiction.

...making Him/Them the author(s) of confusion.

 

[Nathan Poe]

By doing it the way He did, i.e. slowly and methodically, it gave them a chance to convert.

Are you in the habit of worshipping your killer?

What we call "deathbed conversions."

Which are about as meaningful as a 4-dollar bill.

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

A saying whcih has been proven wrong to you time and time again.

In my opinion, most of those who drowned (if not all of them), got saved before they died.

Your opinion has been noted, and shall be duly trumped by reality, mocked, and round-filed in the order it was received.

Thank you for calling.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Of course, we know that not all atheists convert in times of fear and I could not even venture a guess as to what percentage does.

And wouldn't it be nothing less than divine incompetence to determine that the only way to "save" a people is to utterly destroy them?

Also, I think this is something else that defies common sense and morality. By threat of violent and horrifyingly frightful death (as is drowning) your god supposedly may have extracted retractions and conversion from people. So far YHWH is illogical, has no common sense and uses unethical methods to extract what he wants forcefully. Ouch.

Agreed -- it's bad enough that AV is completely off the theological rails here, ascribing motives to God without any Biblical support, but the God he is portraying with his extrabiblical interpretations here comes off as a codependant sociopath -- One who so desperately wants the love of His people, and can't possibly think of a better way to attain it then by slowly and sadistically destroying them, listening to their cries in vain for His assisstance.

And the fundies call this being the source of all morality? That kind of morality we can do without.

 

[Gracchus]

By doing it the way He did, i.e. slowly and methodically, it gave them a chance to convert.

What we call "deathbed conversions."

So then, terrorism is both holy and justified/

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

Of course the saying is wrong. Moreover, the very existence of foxholes argues the non-existence of an omnipotent and benevolent god.

In my opinion, most of those who drowned (if not all of them), got saved before they died.

And they didn't need Jesus?!?!?

 

[Nathan Poe]

And they didn't need Jesus?!?!?

Good point, Gracchus! I hadn't even noticed this glaring error in AV's theology -- Jesus is no longer necessary for salvation, only fear is!

 

[AV1611VET]

So then, terrorism is both holy and justified

Terrorism?

I'm afraid you lost me on that one.

 

[sandwiches]

Terrorism?

I'm afraid you lost me on that one.

Essentially, using fear to effect a change in people.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Essentially, using fear to effect a change in people.

A relatively minor change, in light of the major change from alive --> dead.

 

[AV1611VET]

Essentially, using fear to effect a change in people.

Deathbed confessions ≠ terrorism.

I would venture to say it kept raining, even when everyone was dead.

 

[AV1611VET]

A relatively minor change, in light of the major change from alive --> dead.

If you view this in terms of terrorism only, you're not going to understand what happened and why.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Deathbed confessions ≠ terrorism.

Killing people to extract deathbed confessions = terrorism.

I would venture to say it kept raining, even when everyone was dead.

Nobody ever claimed your depiction was of a competent terrorist...

 

[sandwiches]

Deathbed confessions ≠ terrorism.

I would venture to say it kept raining, even when everyone was dead.

Well, I'll avoid using loaded labels like that but I want to know a bit more of what you think. You don't feel it was cruel for YHWH to kill people like that because they were corrupt? You don't feel like things could've been handled better in that case?

After all, even your god apologized for flooding the Earth and promised to never curse it again.

 

[Nathan Poe]

If you view this in terms of terrorism only, you're not going to understand what happened and why.

I already understand -- I've been humoring you for as long as it's benn, well... humorous to do so. Any explanation you attempt to offer at this point comes not from the Bible, or even from "basic theology," but from your own opinion.

What on Earth mankes you believe that I or anyone else is going to "understand what happened and why" from you, given that we've already rejected a literal Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

Nobody ever claimed your depiction was of a competent terrorist...

Let me remind you of the point that's being addressed here:

If he can just disappear things at will, why go through all the trouble of creating the flood, flooding the world, having Noah build and ark, collect all animals, etc when he could have simply removed all evil people from the world and be done with it?

Had God done it sandwiches' way, they would all be in Hell right now.

Don't you agree?

Or is something keeping you from understanding?

 

[sandwiches]

Let me remind you of the point that's being addressed here:Had God done it sandwiches' way, they would all be in Hell right now.

Don't you agree?

Or can you even understand?

Well, like I asked in my last post. You don't find it a cruel way of punishing people, specially from an omnipotent being? On that omnimax point, why not simply remove their evil or sin?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I'll avoid using loaded labels like that but I want to know a bit more of what you think. You don't feel it was cruel for YHWH to kill people like that because they were corrupt? You don't feel like things could've been handled better in that case?

After all, even your god apologized for flooding the Earth and promised to never curse it again.

I don't answer posts that call Him "YHWH", sandwiches.

I know you don't understand, but that's a serious issue with me --- just a personal preference of mine, and not everyone shares my view.