God will save the planet...

[cantata]

The problem, of course, is that global warming is already happening and already causing problems, and I suspect that there will have to be major coping strategies implemented during my lifetime.

It scares me, a lot.

Whether or not it is mostly caused by man, it is surely wise not to exacerbate the problem.

 

[RangerJoe]

That's right and it will continue to do so until Christ returns. I subscribe to the idea that the Earth will be burned with fire as God's judgement, not that we will destroy it a t the hands of man via GW. While I do not entirely dismiss the fact that we have trashed our planet to an extent, God is sovreign and can reverse any damage caused. Saving the planet is not up to us, ultimately. We are stewards, not owners.

If I told you that you were now the steward of my 1969 Mustang and then I came back and it was scuffed and dented and the interior all ripped and jacked up I'd be mighty angry.

If God told his followers that they were stewards of the earth that probably doesn't mean just do whatever you want and let it run into the ground.

Just a thought honestly...And yes..this thinking is rediculously frightening

 

[Merlin]

Wrong. The disappearing glaciers and the rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are actually evidence. Whether or not you choose to believe that they're evidence is a different issue altogether.

and the growing glaciers?
shall we convenintly ignore them?

Got any unbiased, professional proof of that?

anyone who remembers the conditions in the 1960s knows it.

 

[TheManeki]

and the growing glaciers?
shall we convenintly ignore them?

No, but we should take note that the number of growing glaciers appears to be outpaced by the number of shrinking glaciers.

anyone who remembers the conditions in the 1960s knows it.

This seems to be a similar fallacy to the previous statement. Just because conditions in one area improve, it doesn't mean that globally they improve. China and India, for example, were not industrialized to as great of an extent then as they are now.

 

[Merlin]

No, but we should take note that the number of growing glaciers appears to be outpaced by the number of shrinking glaciers.

source please?

This seems to be a similar fallacy to the previous statement. Just because conditions in one area improve, it doesn't mean that globally they improve. China and India, for example, were not industrialized to as great of an extent then as they are now.

and your proposed solution to China is?

 

[HannahBanana]

and the growing glaciers?
shall we convenintly ignore them?

No, but neither should we ignore the growing amounts of melting glaciers.

anyone who remembers the conditions in the 1960s knows it.

Note my age. I wasn't around in the 1960s. Heck, my parents were just teenagers back then. So of course I wouldn't be able to remember that.

 

[HannahBanana]

Oh, and here's proof that the growing glaciers are, in fact, part of global warming: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060911-growing-glaciers.html.

 

[allhart]

I'm confused by your post. Are you saying that there is nothing we can do to stop global warming? I certainly hope not...

yes, Now you can prevent personal impacts as much as possible , but you have no power in sustaining life on this plant. Just like hurricane or tornado's bad or good. To be a good Stewart Yes. But not a rich one. On the backs of the poor. You need to exchange one thing for something better or the economy you so call live on will implode.

 

[cantata]

To be a good Stewart Yes. But not a rich one. On the backs of the poor.

I guess that makes Rod Stewart a bad Stewart.

 

[allhart]

I guess that makes Rod Stewart a bad Stewart.

Funny LOL

 

[JudyB1169]

2 Peter 3:7 states:

"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men."

If you take the Word literally(as I do), you see that the earth will pass away. I am in no way suggesting( nor did I in my initial post) that we should let God do what He will because it's all gonna be burned anyway. We are to be Stewards(PS.8) of his creation. I just think man has elevated the environment and such to a level bordering on idolatry.

 

[HannahBanana]

2 Peter 3:7 states:"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men." If you take the Word literally(as I do), you see that the earth will pass away.

Is there any reason why you haven't replied to me yet?

 

[TheManeki]

source please?

"Conflicting Signals of Climatic Change in the Upper Indus Basin"
H. J. Fowler and D. R. Archer
Journal of Climate
Volume 19, Issue 17 (September 2006) pp. 4276–4293

and your proposed solution to China is?

Please don't move the goalposts so quickly. I'm simply pointing out to you that your argument was fallacious -- just because conditions in the US improved, it doesn't mean that conditions globally did as well.

Now If you want me to show off my plan to save all of humanity, you'll have to first elect me Global Honcho Numero Uno and give me the power to do more than I can at the grassroots level.

 

[JudyB1169]

Really? You honestly think that, if we keep destroying this planet at the rate that we currently are, there will be anything left for God to burn?

Yes, I do. I PERSONALLY believe Global Warming is being blown out of proportion. I didn't ignore your post, I was posting elsewhere.

 

[HannahBanana]

Yes, I do. I PERSONALLY believe Global Warming is being blown out of proportion. I didn't ignore your post, I was posting elsewhere.

Got any factual, unbiased proof to support your opinion that Global Warming is being blown out of proportion?

And sorry I jumped to conclusions. That was wrong of me and I'll try not to do it again.

 

[Merlin]

Please don't move the goalposts so quickly. I'm simply pointing out to you that your argument was fallacious -- just because conditions in the US improved, it doesn't mean that conditions globally did as well.

Goalposts are constantly moving.
In the '70s the scientific consensus was global cooling.
A few decades earlier, global warming...
before that, cooling...

I don't mind technology changes, just government mandates.
They often makes things worse

 

[Sitswithamouse]

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I don't see that idolatry towards the earth should be classed as a sin or that it has any less importance because it is going to be burned away.

I think we should "Idolise" the earth and the inhabitants and creatures and the eco-system that has sustained us all for millenia.

Global warming is FACT. If we go on the way we do , we will destroy this earth, not just for ourselves but for our childrens children.

If you are happy to let your future children live in a world where floods and violent storms, whole countries probably being wiped out just to wait for God to purge this place when he is ready, I think it is selfish.
To me you are centered on your own salvation and not your future generations.

I wonder if they will thank you for that.

I am an idolator, I idolise this world we have been given, and if that is a sin...so be it.

 

[Wednesday]

That's right and it will continue to do so until Christ returns. I subscribe to the idea that the Earth will be burned with fire as God's judgement, not that we will destroy it a t the hands of man via GW. While I do not entirely dismiss the fact that we have trashed our planet to an extent, God is sovreign and can reverse any damage caused. Saving the planet is not up to us, ultimately. We are stewards, not owners.

Retarded

Does it say in the bible to ignore reality at all cost

 

[Wednesday]

2 Peter 3:7 states:

"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men."

If you take the Word literally(as I do), you see that the earth will pass away. I am in no way suggesting( nor did I in my initial post) that we should let God do what He will because it's all gonna be burned anyway. We are to be Stewards(PS.8) of his creation. I just think man has elevated the environment and such to a level bordering on idolatry.

Hopeless. Ignorance

So you don't care about what happens to the planet, because Gawd will burn it anyway? That is beyond stupid.

 

[IzzyPop]

I don't have the book in front of me, but I recollect an anecdote reported in Gershom Gorenberg's The End of Days on that subject: One of the senior executives from Ford Motor Company was asked about his opinion on global warming, and he replied that he wasn't concerned, since the world would be ending soon, just like the Bible says (or more accurately, just as his interpretation of the Bible said).

I have a lot of problems with this approach, and particularly with the Biblical interpretation that takes John 12:8 ("You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.") since they say that it is hopeless to fix earthly problems, and we should just wait for things to be divinely fixed in a better world. If there are problems in the here and now, we need to address them in the here and now, and work to remedy things as best as we can. Even if the task is daunting.

It also strikes me as odd that many people who believe problems like global warming and poverty cannot not be addressed in this life still have no trouble wanting to push other moral "fixes" like banning books, gay marriage, liquor sales, etc.

It is worse than you thought. It was James Watts, the Secretary of the Interior for Reagan. He said, "God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ will come back." And he was in charge of the environment...