God & Time

[Archie the Preacher]

If you recognize the KJV Bible for what it is, then you know what it is; about time in the Word of God.

Again, you specify "the KJV Bible". How is the KJV different in message from other translations of the appropriate Hebrew and Greek texts which comprise the canon of the Bible?

"...about time in the Word of God" The Bible is about far more than merely 'time'. I do not understand the point you are attempting here. Please clarify.

I believe there are two messages written in the KJV Bible. The first is the straight flat literal message; in which the Christian Church is mired.

The main message in the Bible (KJV or other) is mankind is alienated from God, and what God did to fix that alienation. That is the function of Christ's followers - 'the church'. This message and function is often referred to as 'spreading the gospel'. Your use of the term 'mired' is curious.

That's like saying an arithmetic class is 'mired' in addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.

The second one is, the demonstration of the Revelation of Jesus Christ and the Spirit and of power; given the apostle Paul.

How is that different from the main message?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I do not agree with the idea of 'hidden'. The statement is rather blatant and not subject to subtlety or hidden meaning.

But 1 Corinthians 2:7 tells us of this "hidden wisdom" m" ordained before the world unto our glory: Therefore judge nothing before the time."
You, Archie; are mired and can not escape the time.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

But 1 Corinthians 2:7 tells us of this "hidden wisdom"m ordained before the world unto our glory: Therefore judge nothing before the time.
You, Archie; are mired. You can not escape the time.

 

[~Anastasia~]

The Gnostics were "mired" in their "hidden wisdom".

Anything that creates an "elite class" of Christians that are "in the know" with "secret knowledge" that the rest of the poor, dumb Christians are restricted from knowing - creates temptation to pride.

And God tempts no man.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The Gnostics were "mired" in their "hidden wisdom".

Anything that creates an "elite class" of Christians that are "in the know" with "secret knowledge" that the rest of the poor, dumb Christians are restricted from knowing - creates temptation to pride.

And God tempts no man.

Who said anything about, "an "elite class"? I didn't!

 

[Archie the Preacher]

But 1 Corinthians 2:7 tells us of this "hidden wisdom" m" ordained before the world unto our glory: Therefore judge nothing before the time."

The citation from 1st Corinthians is a quotation of Isaiah 64:4.

Since ancient times no one has heard or perceived, 7
no eye has seen any God besides you,
who intervenes for those who wait for him.

The note 7 indicates the phrase 'heard or perceived' also implies 'not listened'.

Paul's comments to the Corinthians is discussing the wisdom supplied by God. It is not common knowledge among those who will not listen, and is 'hidden' in a mystery. Not something hidden from believers, but unapprehended by those who do not seek after or listen to God. It does NOT refer to the 'secret knowledge' of the Gnostics.

You, Archie; are mired.

You, Mr. Redden are deluded in your understanding of Jesus', and Paul's, teaching.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

The Gnostics were "mired" in their "hidden wisdom".

Anastasia, you posted your reply while I was preparing mine. Thank you.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The citation from 1st Corinthians is a quotation of Isaiah 64:4.
The note 7 indicates the phrase 'heard or perceived' also implies 'not listened'.

Okay, and?

Paul's comments to the Corinthians is discussing the wisdom supplied by God. It is not common knowledge among those who will not listen, and is 'hidden' in a mystery. Not something hidden from believers, but unapprehended by those who do not seek after or listen to God. It does NOT refer to the 'secret knowledge' of the Gnostics.

There is another way to view it. Do you believe that it is hidden, "from believers?" It is free and open to everybody.

You, Mr. Redden are deluded in your understanding of Jesus', and Paul's, teaching.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Okay, and?


There is another way to view it.
Do you believe that it is hidden, "from believers?"
It is free and open to everybody.

We'll see.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Who said anything about, "an "elite class"?

I didn't!

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The citation from 1st Corinthians is a quotation of Isaiah 64:4.
The note 7 indicates the phrase 'heard or perceived' also implies 'not listened'.

Paul's comments to the Corinthians is discussing the wisdom supplied by God. It is not common knowledge among those who will not listen, and is 'hidden' in a mystery. Not something hidden from believers, but unapprehended by those who do not seek after or listen to God. It does NOT refer to the 'secret knowledge' of the Gnostics.

I agree one-hundred percent.

You, Mr. Redden are deluded in your understanding of Jesus', and Paul's, teaching.

You are looking at scripture from the position of others in the KJV Bible. That's the wrong message. The correct position for us reading the KJV Bible today, is with others; having knowledge here in the 21st Century. We better understand our world.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I believe I have a strong case for M Theory and the days of Creation in Genesis one.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The phrase, "from the beginning," occurs in the OT, ten times after Proverbs eight. Having occurred three times before the book of Psalms, and the instrument of ten strings in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9. Christ's coat is without seam, woven from the top throughout.
The superscription was written in Hebrew and Greek and Latin: may English be the fourth letter.
Amen.
Ten space time dimensions, with eleven times; "from the beginning." Possible "M Theory" insertion here.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Mr. Redden, I detect another episode of 'not quite understanding' on your part.

The full thought of current M-theory is the Universe did not begin of itself, but as part of a greater 'multi-verse' or 'Bulk' (the term varies, but it is the 'greater' structure from which 'our' Universe springs. Also, as such, there is NO NEED for a Creator in the Biblical sense. In M-theory, God - as shown in the Bible as ultimate - does not exist.

You cite some gibberish about 'days' which appear to be a cloaked version of numerology and mysticism based on who knows what.

So your comment about having a "...case for M-theory and the days of Creation..." is without any serious Biblical foundation or even explicable logic. In many facets of reality, this sort of thinking is recognized as 'delusion'. And I've wasted enough time dealing with it.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Mr. Redden, I detect another episode of 'not quite understanding' on your part.

I'm working on it, please be patient.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Mr. Redden, I detect another episode of 'not quite understanding' on your part.

The full thought of current M-theory is the Universe did not begin of itself, but as part of a greater 'multi-verse' or 'Bulk' (the term varies, but it is the 'greater' structure from which 'our' Universe springs. Also, as such, there is NO NEED for a Creator in the Biblical sense. In M-theory, God - as shown in the Bible as ultimate - does not exist.

You cite some gibberish about 'days' which appear to be a cloaked version of numerology and mysticism based on who knows what.

So your comment about having a "...case for M-theory and the days of Creation..." is without any serious Biblical foundation or even explicable logic. In many facets of reality, this sort of thinking is recognized as 'delusion'. And I've wasted enough time dealing with it.

The reference to M-Theory, is the ten space time dimensions and the ten times, "from the beginning," occurs in the KJV Old Testament; after Proverbs eight. In eleven dimensions; counting one for the three times, "from the beginning," occurs before the book of Psalms. These dimensions are the only things taken from this theory. The KJV book of Psalms may have been written for the second day. (see doublets of days, Psalms 90:1-7, Psalms 93)

 

[Kenneth Redden]

"Therefore judge nothing before the time," 1 Corinthians 4:5.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I like to call the KJV Bible; the Kenneth Jesus Victory Bible, for the King James Version of the Bible.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

And that wisdom is the wisdom of the fifth day and sixth day, as explained in 2 Peter 3:8. This is prophesized in Revelation 6:9-11. This is realized in Revelation 20:1-7.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Mr. Redden, I detect another episode of 'not quite understanding' on your part.

The full thought of current M-theory is the Universe did not begin of itself, but as part of a greater 'multi-verse' or 'Bulk' (the term varies, but it is the 'greater' structure from which 'our' Universe springs. Also, as such, there is NO NEED for a Creator in the Biblical sense. In M-theory, God - as shown in the Bible as ultimate - does not exist.

You cite some gibberish about 'days' which appear to be a cloaked version of numerology and mysticism based on who knows what.

The wisdom is the wisdom of the fifth day and sixth day, as explained in 2 Peter 3:8; prophesied in Revelation 6:9-11, and realized in Revelation 20:1-7.

So your comment about having a "...case for M-theory and the days of Creation..." is without any serious Biblical foundation or even explicable logic. In many facets of reality, this sort of thinking is recognized as 'delusion'. And I've wasted enough time dealing with it.

As you wish.