God makes a distinction...

[k4c]

Many people today have fallen into the trap of bundling all the sabbaths found in the Bible under one heading called, cerimonial.

If we take the time to study God's word we will find two sets of laws. One Law identifies sin while the other law guides us through the process a making atonement for sin.

In the first Law there is one Sabbath while in the second law there are many sabbaths. The word, sabbath, only means to rest or cease. There is no special power or holiness in ceasing labor. The power and holiness is found in the reason for the rest, not in the rest itself.

Our job, as Christians, is to learn what each sabbath represents in order to determine if its a cerimonial sabbath, relating to atonement and used as a shadow, or if its the Sabbath of the Lord our God, which when violated required the need for atonement.

Let's begin with this very simple study and we will see how God makes a distinction between the two.

First of all we find that God created a special day at creation week, which He called holy, blessed and sanctified.

Genisis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from his work of creation.

These words, in themselves, make a distinction between the seventh day and the other six days. These words used by God, to define the seventh day, declare the seventh day to be a day set apart for God.

Leviticus 23:3 You may work for six days each week, but on the seventh day all work must come to a complete stop. It is the LORD's Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day to assemble for worship. It must be observed wherever you live.

God makes a distinction between the Sabbath of creation and all the other sabbaths of cerimonies and shadows. Listen how God makes this distiction between the Sabbath of creation and the cerimonial sabbaths.

Leviticus 23:1-4 The Lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly.“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live. "In addition to the Sabbath, these are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the official days for holy assembly that are to be celebrated at their proper times each year....

Notice how God clarifies, "In addition to the Sabbath" He then goes one to clarify the cerimonial times.

Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread
5“The Lord’s Passover begins at sundown on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6On the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, you must begin celebrating the Festival of Unleavened Bread....

Celebration of First Harvest
9Then the Lord said to Moses, 10“Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. When you enter the land I am giving you and you harvest its first crops, bring the priest a bundle of grain from the first cutting of your grain harvest....

The Festival of Harvest
15“From the day after the Sabbath—the day you bring the bundle of grain to be lifted up as a special offering—count off seven full weeks. 16Keep counting until the day after the seventh Sabbath, fifty days later. Then present an offering of new grain to the Lord. 17From wherever you live, bring two loaves of bread to be lifted up before the Lord as a special offering....

The Day of Atonement
26Then the Lord said to Moses, 27“Be careful to celebrate the Day of Atonement on the tenth day of that same month—nine days after the Festival of Trumpets. You must observe it as an official day for holy assembly, a day to deny yourselves and present special gifts to the Lord...

The Festival of Shelters
33And the Lord said to Moses, 34“Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. Begin celebrating the Festival of Shelters on the fifteenth day of the appointed month—five days after the Day of Atonement....

These are the sabbath days spoken of in Colossians, which represent the shadows of Christ' atomement.

Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Number 29:3 'besides the burnt offering with its grain offering for the New Moon, the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings, according to their ordinance, as a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the LORD.

We are not to judge people by these cerimonial works because they had to do with atoning for sin and where fullfilled by Jesus.

Jesus is called, "Lord of the seventh day Sabbath" in the New Testament, He is not called Lord of the cerimonial sabbaths.

Jesus taught us many times in the New Testament how to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy in light of caring for others. He never once taught use how to keep the cerimonial sabbaths holy.

All throughout the New Testament the seventh day was still being called, The Sabbath.

So you see, God makes a distriction between the seventh day Sabbath created in the beginning before sin and all the other cerimonial sabbaths, which came as a result of sin as a shadow picturing atonement and were fullfiled by Jesus.

There is so much more I could write such as Sabbath observance defining a people for God, a means and opportunity to be blessed by God and a day protected by God for His people, but I'll stop here.

 

[Joe67]

Many people today have fallen into the trap of bundling all the sabbaths found in the Bible under one heading called, cerimonial.

If we take the time to study God's word we will find two sets of laws. One Law identifies sin while the other law guides us through the process a making atonement for sin.

In the first Law there is one Sabbath while in the second law there are many sabbaths. The word, sabbath, only means to rest or cease. There is no special power or holiness in ceasing labor. The power and holiness is found in the reason for the rest, not in the rest itself.

Our job, as Christians, is to learn what each sabbath represents in order to determine if its a cerimonial sabbath, relating to atonement and used as a shadow, or if its the Sabbath of the Lord our God, which when violated required the need for atonement.

Let's begin with this very simple study and we will see how God makes a distinction between the two.

First of all we find that God created a special day at creation week, which He called holy, blessed and sanctified.

Genisis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from his work of creation.

These words, in themselves, make a distinction between the seventh day and the other six days. These words used by God, to define the seventh day, declare the seventh day to be a day set apart for God.

Leviticus 23:3 You may work for six days each week, but on the seventh day all work must come to a complete stop. It is the LORD's Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day to assemble for worship. It must be observed wherever you live.

God makes a distinction between the Sabbath of creation and all the other sabbaths of cerimonies and shadows. Listen how God makes this distiction between the Sabbath of creation and the cerimonial sabbaths.

Leviticus 23:1-4 The Lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly.“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live. "In addition to the Sabbath, these are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the official days for holy assembly that are to be celebrated at their proper times each year....

Notice how God clarifies, "In addition to the Sabbath" He then goes one to clarify the cerimonial times.

Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread
5“The Lord’s Passover begins at sundown on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6On the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, you must begin celebrating the Festival of Unleavened Bread....

Celebration of First Harvest
9Then the Lord said to Moses, 10“Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. When you enter the land I am giving you and you harvest its first crops, bring the priest a bundle of grain from the first cutting of your grain harvest....

The Festival of Harvest
15“From the day after the Sabbath—the day you bring the bundle of grain to be lifted up as a special offering—count off seven full weeks. 16Keep counting until the day after the seventh Sabbath, fifty days later. Then present an offering of new grain to the Lord. 17From wherever you live, bring two loaves of bread to be lifted up before the Lord as a special offering....

The Day of Atonement
26Then the Lord said to Moses, 27“Be careful to celebrate the Day of Atonement on the tenth day of that same month—nine days after the Festival of Trumpets. You must observe it as an official day for holy assembly, a day to deny yourselves and present special gifts to the Lord...

The Festival of Shelters
33And the Lord said to Moses, 34“Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. Begin celebrating the Festival of Shelters on the fifteenth day of the appointed month—five days after the Day of Atonement....

These are the sabbath days spoken of in Colossians, which represent the shadows of Christ' atomement.

Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Number 29:3 'besides the burnt offering with its grain offering for the New Moon, the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings, according to their ordinance, as a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the LORD.

We are not to judge people by these cerimonial works because they had to do with atoning for sin and where fullfilled by Jesus.

Jesus is called, "Lord of the seventh day Sabbath" in the New Testament, He is not called Lord of the cerimonial sabbaths.

Jesus taught us many times in the New Testament how to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy in light of caring for others. He never once taught use how to keep the cerimonial sabbaths holy.

All throughout the New Testament the seventh day was still being called, The Sabbath.

So you see, God makes a distriction between the seventh day Sabbath created in the beginning before sin and all the other cerimonial sabbaths, which came as a result of sin as a shadow picturing atonement and were fullfiled by Jesus.

There is so much more I could write such as Sabbath observance defining a people for God, a means and opportunity to be blessed by God and a day protected by God for His people, but I'll stop here.

k4c,

God suffered (labored) to enter into his rest. When he who is of two, became one new man, then God rested from his works. He is still resting.

When the kingdom is turned back over to the Father, then God will be all and in all.

God was all before the earth was brought forth. He is now IN all his creation.

Jesus Christ is made all and in all to us who have been given to believe IN him and suffer with him.

The nations have the Creator on the throne.

The family of priests have the Creator on the throne and the Redeemer who has unsealed the book of suffering.

Sabbath is suffering in silence. He opened not his mouth.

Joe

 

[k4c]

k4c,

God suffered (labored) to enter into his rest. When he who is of two, became one new man, then God rested from his works. He is still resting.

When the kingdom is turned back over to the Father, then God will be all and in all.

God was all before the earth was brought forth. He is now IN all his creation.

Jesus Christ is made all and in all to us who have been given to believe IN him and suffer with him.

The nations have the Creator on the throne.

The family of priests have the Creator on the throne and the Redeemer who has unsealed the book of suffering.

Sabbath is suffering in silence. He opened not his mouth.

Joe

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[Byfaithalone1]

Many people today have fallen into the trap of bundling all the sabbaths found in the Bible under one heading called, cerimonial.

Since God has done so in Leviticus 23, this could hardly be a trap. What seems more problematic is the concept of dividing into categories that which the Bible does not divide.

God makes a distinction between the Sabbath of creation and all the other sabbaths of cerimonies and shadows. Listen how God makes this distiction between the Sabbath of creation and the cerimonial sabbaths.

Leviticus 23:1-4 The Lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly.“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live. "In addition to the Sabbath, these are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the official days for holy assembly that are to be celebrated at their proper times each year....

When looking at Leviticus 23:1-4, let's examine 5 widely accepted translations to see if any of them include the phrase "in addition to the sabbath."

New International Version

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.
4 “‘These are the LORD’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times.

New American Standard Version
1The LORD spoke again to Moses, saying,

2"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations--My appointed times are these:
3'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings. 4'These are the appointed times of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them.

English Standard Version
1The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2"Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts.
3 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.
4 "These are the appointed feasts of the LORD, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them.

New King James Version
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.

Young's Literal Translation
1And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

2`Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, Appointed seasons of Jehovah, which ye proclaim, holy convocations, [are] these: they [are] My appointed seasons:
3six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it [is] a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings. 4`These [are] appointed seasons of Jehovah, holy convocations, which ye proclaim in their appointed seasons.
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None of these widely accepted translations (several are quite literal) include the phrase "in addition to the sabbath."

In fact, the only place where you will find the phrase "in addition to the sabbath" is in The New Living Translation. Critics hardly view The New Living Translation as a reliable resource. The New Living Translation combined an attempt to translate the original texts simply and literally with a dynamic equivalence synergy approach used to convey the thoughts behind the text where a literal translation may have been difficult to understand or even misleading to modern readers. Many critics agree that this "thought-for-thought" methodology, while making the translation easier to read, is less accurate than a literal (formal equivalence) method, and thus the New Living Translation is not suitable for those wishing to undertake a detailed, in-depth study of the Bible.

I'll stick with the more reliable, literal translations. All of them are clear that the seventh day sabbath is just as much a holy convocation of the Lord as is the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. In fact, Leviticus 23 confirms a number of similar characteristics between the convocation you observe and the convocations you do not.

• Many are referred to as "sabbaths"
• All are referred to as "holy"
• All were referred to as "the Lord's"
• Many are referred to as "lasting" or "eternal"
• All included special animal sacrifices
• Many involved a rest from work

I don't see the distinction.

BFA

 

[k4c]

I don't see the distinction.


BFA

You don't see the distinction because you don't want to see the distinction.

God blessed the seventh day at creation...nothing to do with sin.

God protected the seventh day by Law...nothing to do with sin.

Jesus is Lord of the seventh day Sabbath....nothing to do with sin.

There are many translations that make the distinction in Leviticus, as well as, the whole Bible itself.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I don't understand the point that you are trying to make... both the seventh day Sabbath and the feast day sabbaths were Holy to God. Nobody's disputing that... but where do you get that this means that the Sabbath was the same as the sabbaths, as far as their origin, meaning and longevity?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You don't see the distinction because you don't want to see the distinction.

When I was an employee of the SDA denomination, I was very motivated to see the disctinction . . . but I couldn't find it. When I asked others if they could show me where i could find it, I generally received the same 2 answers:

1. The ten commandments were in the ark. The problem with this argument is that they were also beside the ark.

2. Lev. 23:37-38 creates a distinction between offerings. The problem with this argument is that the distinction is between offerings, not sabbaths. The word "besides" follows a long list of convocations, including but not limited to the seventh-day sabbath.
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I can only see something if it's really there.

There are many translations that make the distinction in Leviticus, as well as, the whole Bible itself.

Other than The New Living Translation, what other translations can I find that will include the phrase "in addition to the sabbath" in Leviticus 23? I'd be interested in reading them.

Why don't other respected translations include the phrase "in addition to the sabbath" in Leviticus 23:1-4?


BFA

 

[k4c]

Why don't other respected translations include the phrase "in addition to the sabbath" in Leviticus 23:1-4?

BFA

I don't know of any other translations that use the exact words, "In addition to" but that does not mean thats not what the writter was saying.

If you look at all the translations you will find they are strangly written. They give the seventh day Sabbath first then they go one to say, "and these are Lord's special days" in other words, 'In addition to' then they go on to define the other days. It's as thought the seventh day Sabbath is separte from the other days as it's worded in Leviticus 23, as well as, the rest of the Bible.

I really don't know why you are here debating this for so long. We love God and to show out love for God we keep His commandments as stated in the New Testament and since Jesus idenifies Himself as Lord of THE Sabbath we consider it an honor to remember to keep it holy as Jesus taught us. We don't see this as a means to salvation nor do we see it as trying to make ourselves acceptable to God or justified before God. We do see it as a means to express love and faith towards God which is something only a saved person would do.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I don't know of any other translations that use the exact words, "In addition to" .

Nor do I. Among the translations that are more literal than the New Living Bible, none offer language that is akin to "in addition to the sabbath."

If you look at all the translations you will find they are strangly written. They give the seventh day Sabbath first then they go one to say, "and these are Lord's special days" in other words, 'In addition to' then they go on to define the other days. It's as thought the seventh day Sabbath is separte from the other days as it's worded in Leviticus 23, as well as, the rest of the Bible.

It's helpful to note that this concept is introduced as early as Verse 2, before any reference to any of the specific convoctions:

"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations--My appointed times are these:"
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We love God

I have no doubt that you do. In my mind, this has never been in question.

and to show out love for God we keep His commandments

This is quite a claim. The Bible seems to confirm that no one has lived up to it.

since Jesus idenifies Himself as Lord of THE Sabbath

Jesus also confirmed His preiminence over the sabbath. The sabbath was not lord over Him. It is for this reason that He worked on the seventh day.

we consider it an honor to remember to keep it holy as Jesus taught us.

I would never wish to rob you of this honor. I am glad that it is a joy and a delight to you. I hope that you have a wonderful sabbath beginning at sundown this evening.

We don't see this as a means to salvation nor do we see it as trying to make ourselves acceptable to God or justified before God.

I truly don't know what you believe on this subject. I do know that others have concluded that the sabbath will be the seal of God -- the great dividing wall between those who are safe to save and those who are not. They believe that there will come a day when non-sabbatarians will not have access to salvation and will instead receive the mark of the beast.

We do see it as a means to express love and faith towards God which is something only a saved person would do.

Do non-sabbatarians express love and faith? Does their failure to express faith an love by resting ont he seventh day indicate that they are not recipients of the free gift of salvation?

BFA

 

[k4c]

Byfaithalone1;I truly don't know what you believe on this subject. I do know that others have concluded that the sabbath will be the seal of God -- the great dividing wall between those who are safe to save and those who are not. They believe that there will come a day when non-sabbatarians will not have access to salvation and will instead receive the mark of the beast.

Sunday obligation is of the beast kingdom's authority so if you honor Sunday as the Lord's day then you are not worshiping God in that area of your life.

"Sunday is our mark of authority..... The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Do non-sabbatarians express love and faith? Does their failure to express faith an love by resting ont he seventh day indicate that they are not recipients of the free gift of salvation?

BFA

Salvation issues of others are not ours to determine. But I ask you this, If God says He loves and desires roses and you give Him what you want to give Him do you fall under Cain's condemnation?

 

[Joe67]

The Sabbath rest gifts and calling of God in creation is a day without morning and evening unto common vocations and the worshiping of our God of consuming fire every 7th day. This is holy, just and good. Let no man despise this calling.

The Sabbath rest gifts and calling of God in redemption is an endless event: resurrection through the Spirit unto priesthood service with Jesus, the Word made flesh and bone, ministering to the nations of the saved as they bring their honor and glory into the city, the new Jerusalem, and with the leaves from the tree of life, healing their bruises from the rod of iron. This is better. Let no man condemn this calling.

Joe

 

[Servant of the Lord]

Joe67...

I'm sorry but...what?? So the Sabbath is some sort of mystical and perpetual day "without a morning and evening"? Where does it say that in the scriptures?

Genesis 2:1-2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


Truth:
The Lord GOD created the heavens and the earth in six literal days. The Lord GOD rested on the Seventh literal day, and he blessed it and sanctified it. God Commands His people in the Fourth Commandment to "Remember" the Literal Seventh Day Sabbath and to "Keep it Holy".


Deception:

"The Sabbath rest gifts and calling of God in creation is a day without morning and evening unto common vocations and the worshiping of our God of consuming fire every 7th day."

(Deuteronomy 5:12-15)
12Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


These scriptures are crystal clear on the Sabbath and anyone who approaches the Word of God with a humble heart will in no doubt have ears to hear. I don't read anywhere in the OT/NT of God changing the literal Sabbath day to some kind of mystical continuous day of worship.



SotL

 

[Stewartnz]

When I was an employee of the SDA denomination, I was very motivated to see the disctinction . . . but I couldn't find it. When I asked others if they could show me where i could find it, I generally received the same 2 answers:

1. The ten commandments were in the ark. The problem with this argument is that they were also beside the ark.

2. Lev. 23:37-38 creates a distinction between offerings. The problem with this argument is that the distinction is between offerings, not sabbaths. The word "besides" follows a long list of convocations, including but not limited to the seventh-day sabbath.
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I can only see something if it's really there...


BFA

BFA, this reasoning may appear too simplistic, but there is a thought in Deut 5 that refers to the Ten Commandments. Speaking specifically of them, Moses, under inspiration says that "He added no more" (Deut 5:22).

"He added no more" was written almost 40 years after Israel were at Sinai.

But shall we say that "the law of burnt offerings" (Lev 6:9), and "the law of trespass offerings" (Lev 7:1), and "the law of peace offerings" (Lev 7:11), etc., were ever "added" to that collection of laws spoken by God?

I cannot help but echo the thought, and say no, nothing was added to them. The Ten commandments were a complete, distinct law in themselves.

 

[Joe67]

Joe67...

I'm sorry but...what?? So the Sabbath is some sort of mystical and perpetual day "without a morning and evening"? Where does it say that in the scriptures?

Genesis 2:1-2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


Truth:
The Lord GOD created the heavens and the earth in six literal days. The Lord GOD rested on the Seventh literal day, and he blessed it and sanctified it. God Commands His people in the Fourth Commandment to "Remember" the Literal Seventh Day Sabbath and to "Keep it Holy".


Deception:


(Deuteronomy 5:12-15)
12Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


These scriptures are crystal clear on the Sabbath and anyone who approaches the Word of God with a humble heart will in no doubt have ears to hear. I don't read anywhere in the OT/NT of God changing the literal Sabbath day to some kind of mystical continuous day of worship.



SotL

SotL,

This is holy, just and good; your Bible study concerning the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. It is a foundation. It is glorious compared to the darkness of Egyptology; though the 12 tribes at Mt. Sinai had turned back in their hearts to Egypt, so that the light of the glory of God reflected off the face of a carnal man like Moses could not be endured by even Aaron and the other elders. Moses had beheld only the glory of the backside of the Lord.

Study all that the Lord has witnessed concerning the resurrection and a better picture will appear in your imagination. The better will lead you to speak softly to those are still serving under the holy, just and good light of the glory of God shining from the face of Moses.

2 Cor 3:7-13
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: KJV

We need daily spiritual condemnation and death through the ministration of Moses to prepare us for daily spiritual resurrection unto newness of life through the earnest of the spirit of Jesus.

Joe

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

For me Joe, you are not an easy man to understand in your posts... regarding your doctrine belief. Sometimes you appear to agree with K4C, SotL, Stryder and myself and othertimes you seem to be contrary to what we believe... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has this confusion.

 

[Servant of the Lord]

For me Joe, you are not an easy man to understand in your posts... regarding your doctrine belief. Sometimes you appear to agree with K4C, SotL, Stryder and myself and othertimes you seem to be contrary to what we believe... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has this confusion.

Thank you, guess I'm not the only one.

 

[Joe67]

For me Joe, you are not an easy man to understand in your posts... regarding your doctrine belief. Sometimes you appear to agree with K4C, SotL, Stryder and myself and othertimes you seem to be contrary to what we believe... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has this confusion.

ECR & SotL,

Be of good courage in the Lord Jesus. The Lord is bringing growth to all of our thoughts concerning his law, his faith, his grace, his redemption.

Twenty-five years from now, your thoughts will have gradually been changed from your present understanding. The Lord has changed my thoughts during the past twenty-five years. Abraham had been in Canaan for twenty-five years before the Lord promised Isaac through Sarah and gave Abraham and his household the sanctification of circumcision.

Some who post on this forum have not been long in the way of their present convictions and understandings. All manner of wrong doctrine concerning the Father and the Son will be forgiven each of us. Let us not stop growing in grace. If we hate and/or despise each other then we blaspheme against the holy Spirit, which isn't a doctrinal issue but a spiritual disposition.

Let us each continue to share our experience in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has this confusion.

No, you're not the only one.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

BFA, this reasoning may appear too simplistic, but there is a thought in Deut 5 that refers to the Ten Commandments. Speaking specifically of them, Moses, under inspiration says that "He added no more" (Deut 5:22).

"He added no more" was written almost 40 years after Israel were at Sinai.

But shall we say that "the law of burnt offerings" (Lev 6:9), and "the law of trespass offerings" (Lev 7:1), and "the law of peace offerings" (Lev 7:11), etc., were ever "added" to that collection of laws spoken by God?

I cannot help but echo the thought, and say no, nothing was added to them. The Ten commandments were a complete, distinct law in themselves.

The book of Deuteronomy does not seem to confirm this. In fact, as the book unfolds, God goes on to share many different commands with his people. And, in many places, he intermingles them.

Consider, for example, the following:

10Then God said, "Behold, I am going to make a covenant Before all your people I will perform miracles which have not been produced in all the earth nor among any of the nations; and all the people among whom you live will see the working of the LORD, for it is a fearful thing that I am going to perform with you.

11"Be sure to observe what I am commanding you this day: behold, I am going to drive out the Amorite before you, and the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite.
12"Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst.
13"But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim
14--for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God--
15otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice,
16and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods.
17"You shall make for yourself no molten gods.
18"You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.
19"The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep.
20"You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons None shall appear before Me empty-handed.
21"You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.
22"You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.
23"Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
24"For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD your God.
25"You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread, nor is the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover to be left over until morning.
26"You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the LORD your God. "You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk."
27Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
28So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Moses' Face Shines

29It came about when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him.

30So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
31Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them.
32Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the LORD had spoken to him on Mount Sinai.
33When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
34But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded, 35the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone. So Moses would replace the veil over his face until he went in to speak with Him.
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BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Sunday obligation is of the beast kingdom's authority so if you honor Sunday as the Lord's day then you are not worshiping God in that area of your life.

Does true worship hinge on the day it's offered? If SDAs worship God on Wednesday, is their worship untrue? If we offer untrue worship, are we in danger of the mark of the beast?

Salvation issues of others are not ours to determine. But I ask you this, If God says He loves and desires roses and you give Him what you want to give Him do you fall under Cain's condemnation?

God told the Israelites that He wanted their sacrifices. And yet animal sacrifices aren't a part of my worship. Should they be? Are animal sacrifices the "roses" that God desires?

BFA