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It doesn’t matter what you accept or don’t accept


It is what it is
And it can’t be changed
Interesting. But I understood that, according to your beliefs, if I do not accept the Bible is the Word of God, etc, then I shall be condemned to everlasting damnation. Yet you say this doesn't matter. That's not very friendly. I thought you were meant to be concerned over the fate of my soul.

Well, thank you for your time. This is a discussion forum. It's not possible to have a discussion with someone whose views are so entrenched. Good fortune with that.
 
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A Jewish preacher, or just possibly a composite of such individuals, who practiced in the Holy Land some 2,000years ago.
So, Luke, who wrote his Gospel concerning the life of Jesus, and who stated that he did comprehensive research and interviewed eye witnesses who were alive at the time to see what Jesus did and taught, to ensure that his account was true and certain, was actually lying or mistaken? As part of his research, he would have spoken with Mary, the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, the 12 Apostle who were with Jesus for three years, many of the people who were healed and had demons cast out of them, probably Nicodemus, one of the priests who supported Jesus. He would have seen many of these people personally, because they would have still been alive at the time Luke researched and wrote his Gospel.

To say that Jesus was not a real Person who lived until 33 A.D. is to say that Luke was writing a fictional tale. Also, the very place where Jesus was crucified and the tomb where He was laid, have been discovered. Even the stub of the iron bar that the Roman soldiers drove into the wall of the tomb to keep the stone in place so it could not be moved to enable anyone to get in and steal the body of Jesus, is still there. If nothing else, that shows that whoever was put in that tomb and the stone put in place, the Roman authorities put special and unusual security measures to ensure that no one roll that stone aside and gain entry to the tomb. No such security measures were evident on any of the other tombs in Jerusalem.

Here are some interesting facts:
What did non-Christian authors say about Jesus?
As far as we know, the first author outside the church to mention Jesus is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around AD93. He has two references to Jesus. One of these is controversial because it is thought to be corrupted by Christian scribes (probably turning Josephus’s negative account into a more positive one), but the other is not suspicious – a reference to James, the brother of “Jesus, the so-called Christ”.

About 20 years after Josephus we have the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition.

Did ancient writers discuss the existence of Jesus?
Strikingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. In the earliest literature of the Jewish Rabbis, Jesus was denounced as the illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer. Among pagans, the satirist Lucian and philosopher Celsus dismissed Jesus as a scoundrel, but we know of no one in the ancient world who questioned whether Jesus lived.

I know that this is a little off topic, but you made the statement about Jesus and I am responding to it by way of appropriate discussion.
 
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It’s true that archeology has discovered ancient sites (Göbekli Tepe is a favorite of mine) previously only mentioned in writings, helps historians to develop accurate historical timelines. Then you have stories like the Exodus, where absolutely no evidence has been found to support the narrative as told in the Bible. Add to this, the fact that Hebrews did not build the pyramids or were ever enslaved to the Egyptians, no mention of a worldwide flood in a ten thousand continuous Chinese history, the flood story as a retelling of the Epic of Gilgamesh, with a Hebrew twist, leads one to take the stories with a grain of salt.
Add to this the fact that all we know of Jesus is from copies of incomplete manuscripts, written by unknown authors who never met the man, and the paucity of any other contemporary record of Jesus, and the Bible begins to look less like history, and more like legend and myth. Which, IMO, is ok. There is much to be learned about ourselves from mythology.
GOD is before all these myths


And these myths and legends are more the result of Satan taking the TRUTH and twisting it and whispering theses half truths to superstitious men who selves into spiritual things and listened to lying deceptive spirits who offered portions and distortions of THE TRUTH
 
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Interesting. But I understood that, according to your beliefs, if I do not accept the Bible is the Word of God, etc, then I shall be condemned to everlasting damnation. Yet you say this doesn't matter. That's not very friendly. I thought you were meant to be concerned over the fate of my soul.

Well, thank you for your time. This is a discussion forum. It's not possible to have a discussion with someone whose views are so entrenched. Good fortune with that.
It doesn’t matter how much you argue sir or blame the witnesses for your unbelief. The GOSPEL is preached and will be preached

Men will not be able to say they never heard THE TRUTH


It is what it is sir

TRUTH will remain TRUTH

Regardless of whether you believed or didn’t
 
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Do you believe that CHRIST is divinity being THE ONE AND ONLY SON of GOD who came forth from THE FATHER and that He alone is the WAY and THE TRUTH and LIFE is only in by and through HIM?

I’m
Interested in your answer since you said you have a mastorate in Divinity??

If you don’t mind my asking what does it mean to have a mastorate in Divinity?
Haven't you read my posts on the several threads I have been on? That would give you an unequivocal answer to your question!

A masters in Divinity is a degree that many ministers of the gospel have as their qualifications for going into the Christian ministry. It is similar to a masters in theology, except the divinity degree is for practical ministry while the degree in theology is the academic version. Both degrees would qualify a man or woman to enter into the ministry of the church, but the divinity one is the more practical of the two in terms of mission, worship, Bible knowledge, and actual ministry to a congregation.
 
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GOD is before all these myths


And these myths and legends are more the result of Satan taking the TRUTH and twisting it and whispering theses half truths to superstitious men who selves into spiritual things and listened to lying deceptive spirits who offered portions and distortions of THE TRUTH
Your avoidance of reality tells me all I need to know about your religion.

I see no point in continuing a discussion with you.
Have a good night.
 
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This reads like a sound bite of a cult member.

Are you even interested in a discussion, or just flinging out rote responses?
Have you heard the same response from others?

I’m not surprised....
 
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It doesn’t matter how much you argue sir or blame the witnesses for your unbelief. The GOSPEL is preached and will be preached

Men will not be able to say they never heard THE TRUTH


It is what it is sir

TRUTH will remain TRUTH

Regardless of whether you believed or didn’t
Pontius the Pilate (the first guy who flew an airplane in the Bible) once said "What is truth?"
 
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Haven't you read my posts on the several threads I have been on? That would give you an unequivocal answer to your question!

A masters in Divinity is a degree that many ministers of the gospel have as their qualifications for going into the Christian ministry. It is similar to a masters in theology, except the divinity degree is for practical ministry while the degree in theology is the academic version. Both degrees would qualify a man or woman to enter into the ministry of the church, but the divinity one is the more practical of the two in terms of mission, worship, Bible knowledge, and actually ministry to a congregation.
No I haven’t. Haven’t you noticed I haven’t been here for quite awhile?

Your post does not answer my questions
I would appreciate if you could answer here. I’m not going to go fishing around for your responses on other threads

I think since you mentioned it here you should clarify what it is this means here for all who might read this thread and wonder for themselves
 
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I dunno Oscarr (the grouch???) what is TRUTH do you think?
I think our mate Pontius didn't realise that he had the Truth standing right in front of him.
 
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I think our mate Pontius didn't realise that he had the Truth standing right in front of him.
Do you think it matters that ongoing question which JESUS asked Peter?

Who do the people say I am?
 
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Do you think it matters that ongoing question which JESUS asked Peter?

Who do the people say I am?
Yes, because that was the first time the revelation that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God was ever revealed to anyone.
 
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Yes, because that was the first time the revelation that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God was ever revealed to anyone.
Can HE build a “church” and how is HE doing this


Do you know?
 
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You should know THE TRUTH sir and be boldly professing it.
If you don’t wish to respond, that is fine
Actually, this thread isn't about you or me, it is a discussion about the issue of whether God either evolved Himself over the ages of eternity, or that He was responsible for the evolution of the plants, insects, animals and mankind. I take a creationist viewpoint and other interesting folk here take the evolutionist view point. The discussion is interesting and takes directions like a men's Bible study I used to attend. We would start at the arranged topic point, but the discussion would go off in all sorts of interesting directions, and that made it fun and interesting. As long as the OP is happy with it, then there is nothing wrong with how this thread has evolved (hahahahahahahaha!).

But use it as a preaching and Bible banging platform to directly challenge or criticise individuals on the thread is not, in my mind. appropriate. We may not agree with each other's positions, but we must always have the utmost respect for others on the thread. I was making the point about Jesus being the truth, is that truth is more than just spouting religious jargon or even taking our favourite theological position, but it is conducting ourselves the way Jesus would toward everyone, whether they agree with us or not. That, to me, is standing for the truth. I am not perfect at it, and that is why I am subject to correction when the need arises.
 
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