God Doesn't Want Me To Know Him

[Locutus]

Well, I suppose "neener, neener, neener" would be a fitting response to such a degraded dialogue.

My eternal life has already begun, by the way. And the only thing stopping anyone from embarking on that journey is pride. Humble yourself before God, and He will exalt you.

I have no idea what your first sentence refers to. I was responding to the suggesting that another poster wanted to start his/her own cult. I suggested there wouldn't be many takers, when the carrot is life then death.

Yes, your (possible) eternal life. The great lust for immortality. No pride in that at all.

 

[StanJ]

I've read the Bible. All of it.

And pardon me, but what you're suggesting is that in order to believe, I must first believe. That's patently absurd.

Also, it appears you ARE saying that 'neutral' is the wrong approach to religion. Why then, do you use that approach yourself? Did you go into Islam already believing, and Hinduism? In the same way you're recommending that I do?

I highly doubt that, I've been reading it for 45 years and I haven't read all of it. By the way I equate reading with comprehension.

The Bible says that but I believe the Bible.

The trait neutral is because neutral really doesn't exist when it comes to the mind. We are all predisposed to being carnal. We are all predisposed to being self-centered and self-sufficient. That is totally and diametrically opposed to what it means to rely on God.

 

[Locutus]

It's this type of flippancy that comes across quite obviously despite you not admitting it. You may think this is a game but in reality those who actually want you to understand like myself, don't look at it as a game, they look at it as the reality it is, and your future as an eternal living being is in jeopardy NOW, and unless you wake up to that reality the one you do wake up to will be so horrific it will pale in comparison to this life you now find yourself painfully walking through.

I think debating is a game, but I take information from salesmen quite seriously. By salesmen I mean anyone trying to sell me something, or convince me of something. ESPECIALLY when they know very little about the thing they're spruiking, and can't even really tell me precisely what it is. If the sales pitch consists of "trust me, you'll feel good", then I'll take it even more seriously. If it goes "you'll feel good, don't ask questions", the door is slammed.

 

[Locutus]

A magnetic force is an example. God covers Himself with light as with a garment. The full spectrum of light would be everything seen and unseen which is God's covering.

God's spirit manifested in a person would present attributes that were peaceful, gentle and a person who is perfect and Holy.
The fruit of the Spirit is Love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith and without fear.

The scripture says add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control 4perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
The goal is Love.
Instead of bonding in the mind in the human way of stirring up hormonal emotional responses the interaction is pure in the sense the biology is separated from. Even if this occurs for a short time it is proof of the concept and understanding and reveals that immortality is possible.

That reads like 'new age' gobbledegook. Sorry.

What does 'covers himself with light as with a garment' even mean? And how do you know 'the biology is separated from' (whatever that may mean, also). And how does it PROVE the concept and understanding that immortality is possible? And how do you ascertain that it's an external thing, and not the product of your own mind? Could I get details on that last please?

 

[Locutus]

There is only one reality. There is only one truth. There is only one God. All others are fakes.

They say the same about yours. And they're as certain of it as you are.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

There is only one reality. There is only one truth. There is only one God. All others are fakes.

So you're saying that they're mistaken in what they say they absolutely know. Let's make the not-too-large leap and say that they would say the exact same thing about what you say you absolutely "know".

How does anyone know that what you think you know is correct, instead of being mistaken in the same way you believe people of other religions are?

 

[Locutus]

I highly doubt that, I've been reading it for 45 years and I haven't read all of it. By the way I equate reading with comprehension.

The Bible says that but I believe the Bible.

The trait neutral is because neutral really doesn't exist when it comes to the mind. We are all predisposed to being carnal. We are all predisposed to being self-centered and self-sufficient. That is totally and diametrically opposed to what it means to rely on God.

I have read it. Sorry to disappoint you. I've also read the Koran, and a good chunk of the Bhagavad Gita, and quite a few of the Sutras. Oh, and I've dabbled in the Torah, when time allowed.

Of course one can't be entirely neutral, but one CAN research a religion in an effectively neutral state with a little effort. I explained what I mean by neutral in this instance. It simply means no presupposition that the god exists or doesn't exist. That way any evidence for the god will land in 'safe' soil. But in fact you're right in a sense, because I did approach the bible a little less than neutrally. I actually hoped that I would be convinced.

 

[AGTG]

I have no idea what your first sentence refers to. I was responding to the suggesting that another poster wanted to start his/her own cult. I suggested there wouldn't be many takers, when the carrot is life then death.

Yes, your (possible) eternal life. The great lust for immortality. No pride in that at all.

How can I be proud of something I had nothing to do with? Jesus died on a cross for my sins, not me.

Here, take a look, what are you guilty of from this list? I was guilty of 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10.

 

[FireDragon76]

This doesn't change the fact that God is hidden, and could in theory communicate with us if he wanted to - or was Jonah a perfect, sinless man when God spoke to him? This does nothing to resolve the issue.

I think God does communicate with us, but... God doesn't put a blazing cross in the sky of course... is that what you are looking for?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I think God does communicate with us, but... God doesn't put a blazing cross in the sky of course... is that what you are looking for?

Why do you say "of course"?

 

[FireDragon76]

So what am I looking for?

Have you read this book? http://www.amazon.com/When-God-Talks-Back-Understanding/dp/0307277275

 

[AllanV]

That reads like 'new age' gobbledegook. Sorry.

What does 'covers himself with light as with a garment' even mean? And how do you know 'the biology is separated from' (whatever that may mean, also). And how does it PROVE the concept and understanding that immortality is possible? And how do you ascertain that it's an external thing, and not the product of your own mind? Could I get details on that last please?

God is making this whole reality as seen, appear instantly. We live and move and have our being in God and are all His offspring.
Everyone is too absorbed in their biology to comprehend it.
The product of my own mind was developed from life experience and this is with all abilities, problems, faults and shortcomings.
Is the mind in the head only or do people bond remotely.

The realization another mind that is perfect is possible is a shock.

This is what Jesus developed.

Because God is instant the only barrier to knowing God as he requests is actually the human mind.

 

[StanJ]

So you're saying that they're mistaken in what they say they absolutely know. Let's make the not-too-large leap and say that they would say the exact same thing about what you say you absolutely "know".
How does anyone know that what you think you know is correct, instead of being mistaken in the same way you believe people of other religions are?

They are mistaken but I have no idea if they absolutely know. I do. I can tell you one thing that no other religions have an answer to, as I have asked many of them, is, 'where is your god'? They all say that so I'm not really sure how much of a god that is they can't defeat death. My god did and has totally. None of the other gods Our Saviors throughout history have done so. I can tell you that on a one-on-one with any religion that I've ever come across, they're winning percentage is 0%.
Now how you keep this about you and your perspectives, and stop deflecting to other issues that have nothing to do with this issue.

 

[StanJ]

I have read it. Sorry to disappoint you. I've also read the Koran, and a good chunk of the Bhagavad Gita, and quite a few of the Sutras. Oh, and I've dabbled in the Torah, when time allowed.
Of course one can't be entirely neutral, but one CAN research a religion in an effectively neutral state with a little effort. I explained what I mean by neutral in this instance. It simply means no presupposition that the god exists or doesn't exist. That way any evidence for the god will land in 'safe' soil. But in fact you're right in a sense, because I did approach the bible a little less than neutrally. I actually hoped that I would be convinced.

Yeah sadly I've heard this from more than a few atheists so I'm not really convinced. I think it's a ploy, nothing more. Just as I think there are no true atheists which you've proven because a true atheists wouldn't even bother reading the Bible or any other Holy scripture for that matter.
Agnostics of course are a different issue altogether. They just can't seem to make up their mind what they want to do and blame it on the fact that God doesn't make it real enough to them. Which is rather bizarre given the amount of Believers there are worldwide just in the Christian faith.

 

[Locutus]

How can I be proud of something I had nothing to do with? Jesus died on a cross for my sins, not me.

Here, take a look, what are you guilty of from this list? I was guilty of 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10.

No matter which way you slice it, announcing that you have secured the personal attentions and affections of the creator of the universe is prideful. There is nothing humble about the aspirations and posturing of believers.

 

[Locutus]

God is making this whole reality as seen, appear instantly. We live and move and have our being in God and are all His offspring.
Everyone is too absorbed in their biology to comprehend it.
The product of my own mind was developed from life experience and this is with all abilities, problems, faults and shortcomings.
Is the mind in the head only or do people bond remotely.

The realization another mind that is perfect is possible is a shock.

This is what Jesus developed.

Because God is instant the only barrier to knowing God as he requests is actually the human mind.

Yeah, nope - still doesn't tell me anything. Could you explain how you know it's Your Specific God talking to you? And how you differentiate his/its voice from your own? I would like mechanical details, please.

 

[Locutus]

Yeah sadly I've heard this from more than a few atheists so I'm not really convinced. I think it's a ploy, nothing more. Just as I think there are no true atheists which you've proven because a true atheists wouldn't even bother reading the Bible or any other Holy scripture for that matter.
Agnostics of course are a different issue altogether. They just can't seem to make up their mind what they want to do and blame it on the fact that God doesn't make it real enough to them. Which is rather bizarre given the amount of Believers there are worldwide just in the Christian faith.

1) I have read the bible. I even considered studying theology - and I'd not have been the first atheist to do so. It's more common than you might think. We read the bible to find out more before dismissing it, or to get the bigger picture not provided to believers by pastors/parents. Many of us (myself included) wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Which is FAR more than most Christians do for other faiths before dismissing them.

2) I am an agnostic atheist, as are most atheists in the modern west. I don't know whether gods exist, but I see no evidence that any do. It's not a 'can't make up our minds' situation, it's a 'if god stops hiding, I'll accept the reality and assess the situation - on merit - at that time'.

3) Two thirds of the world don't care for your god. But if you want to appeal to popularity, you might want to think through the implications of doing so before continuing.

 

[Locutus]

They are mistaken but I have no idea if they absolutely know. I do. I can tell you one thing that no other religions have an answer to, as I have asked many of them, is, 'where is your god'? They all say that so I'm not really sure how much of a god that is they can't defeat death. My god did and has totally. None of the other gods Our Saviors throughout history have done so. I can tell you that on a one-on-one with any religion that I've ever come across, they're winning percentage is 0%.
Now how you keep this about you and your perspectives, and stop deflecting to other issues that have nothing to do with this issue.

So you're saying that if unique (as in, specific to the particular faith but not appearing in others) claims are made, then the god involved is real?

 

[AllanV]

Yeah, nope - still doesn't tell me anything. Could you explain how you know it's Your Specific God talking to you? And how you differentiate his/its voice from your own? I would like mechanical details, please.

My background is mechanical engineering and it is interesting the way you put it.

At 26 my mind was opened up to know God in an unsearched for experience.
The planetary movements reveal spirals, concentric circles and gradients and this is the laid out geometrical foundation before the manifestation of matter.

There is very little in the universe when compared to open space and the ratio is similar in the atom.
A timeless, motionless state is activated into creating this reality at every instant.
The planet earth reveals a decay and oxidizing and this is absorbed into the biology and it influences a predatory result.

The human has developed a mind with an ability that reflects the animal kingdom but is used to also get into the mind of another. There are obvious problems with the way mankind operates and it is placing survival in jeopardy.
A whole concept was shown in my mind in 5 seconds and it was as though it was another mind with its thoughts. Knowledge was gained that was never learned.

A small part of this knowledge when applied has proven it is true. Some can be said to be true by observation. The remaining information is in the general hope that there will be a future.

There is no obvious reason why this happened to me except that perhaps I became receptive in an isolated rural environment. I was disengaged from the constant mental gymnastics required when interacting with my work and with others who were also involved.

It is all impossible to see because I never did until my mind was opened up to it.

 

[Locutus]

My background is mechanical engineering and it is interesting the way you put it.

At 26 my mind was opened up to know God in an unsearched for experience.
The planetary movements reveal spirals, concentric circles and gradients and this is the laid out geometrical foundation before the manifestation of matter.

There is very little in the universe when compared to open space and the ratio is similar in the atom.
A timeless, motionless state is activated into creating this reality at every instant.
The planet earth reveals a decay and oxidizing and this is absorbed into the biology and it influences a predatory result.

The human has developed a mind with an ability that reflects the animal kingdom but is used to also get into the mind of another. There are obvious problems with the way mankind operates and it is placing survival in jeopardy.
A whole concept was shown in my mind in 5 seconds and it was as though it was another mind with its thoughts. Knowledge was gained that was never learned.

A small part of this knowledge when applied has proven it is true. Some can be said to be true by observation. The remaining information is in the general hope that there will be a future.

There is no obvious reason why this happened to me except that perhaps I became receptive in an isolated rural environment. I was disengaged from the constant mental gymnastics required when interacting with my work and with others who were also involved.

It is all impossible to see because I never did until my mind was opened up to it.

Thanks for your input, I do appreciate it - particularly hearing about personal journeys etc. Unfortunately it just isn't giving me any useful information at all. The same sorts of things happen to Buddhists and yogis etc, all the time. It's referred to as transcendence - or a 'transcendent experience'. It really just means getting high on your own supply. Or, trancing out. It's a really basic human ability/habit, and has existed in all cultures and peoples since we swung down out of the trees. Actually our cousins in the trees do it, too. We can reproduce it 'in the lab', which I'm sure you know. It takes very little to produce this state, and certainly doesn't require anything like religion.

But moving on .... you still haven't given me any info on how you ascertain that it's an external god communicating with you, and not just 'self talk'. Nor have you advised how you determine it's YOUR god, and not some random entity?