God Creating Complex Objects With Apparent Age

Heissonear · Feb 5, 2018

Those who do not understand that it is up to God for them to know Reality - it is if God Permits.

Such is clear in the Scriptures, even for the most basic things in His Word.

It is a train wreck when non-born again people try to understand His Ways, like Creating Objects Using Apparent-Embedded Age. It has not been on their radar. However, Eve is a clear example. One day after she was Created she did not look one day old. Such is the same for the Earth we live on.

pitabread · Feb 5, 2018

nevermind

The IbanezerScrooge · Feb 5, 2018

Heissonear said:
Apparent Embedded Age used by the Creator is not on your radar. So.

The below may not be on your radar and bearing fruit too. Not good.

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Have you settled on brain power (one's intellect) to derive what you know?

Whatevs. Why are you throwing bible verses at me in a science forum? Do you have any evidence to present regarding apparent age?

HitchSlap · Feb 5, 2018

Heissonear said:
Zip

I can understand why you’d think that.

Ophiolite · Feb 5, 2018

Heissonear said:
Your perspective is clear. The below appears to never have happened to you or you would have understanding of such.

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Turning to God for answers should be foremost. Compare Him to brain power. Not much of a comparison. But people still learn without Him.

The main thrust of my post was your highly questionable (and to me, offensive) abusive distortion of scripture, with font and style more applicable to promoting unsavoury products and services. Distasteful is as strong a word within forum rules that I can use to describe the practice.

Herman Hedning · Feb 6, 2018

dreadnought said:
I've long forgotten his exact words. I would have to suspect he once believed in the Lord and later became an atheist. Anyhow, I enjoyed his Foundation Trilogy, a work of science fiction.

His family were orthodox Jews, but Isaac always regarded the Torah as mythology and when he was 13, he decided not to have a bar mitzvah. So, no he never believed in a god.

USincognito · Feb 6, 2018

DavidFirth said:
Its a matter of perspective. Nothing looks billions of years old to me. Everything appears exactly as it should according to the Bible.

What would you expect something a billion years old to look like

DogmaHunter · Feb 6, 2018

Heissonear said:
Your facts with conclusions have a foundation of only ones intellect.

You seem to think being born again - and taught by the Holy Spirit - does not exist, since you have not walked in this life by such.

Are you not missing the below Living Water that those baptized by the Holy Spirit attain, with a new way to learn by? The Holy Spirit teaches. This is not in your world at this time.

I must say, you did an OUTSTANDING job ignoring just about any relevant point that I raised in that post.

Brilliant.

You should get a Dodge as a prize.

USincognito · Feb 6, 2018

DavidFirth said:
Nothing has been faked. Men have been looking for an alternative to Creation for thousands of years. Now they think they have one based on "science."

Just because certain men think or want to think billions of years have passed changes nothing. It is your own world view that has changed, not the truth.

Is this the conspiracy theory that scientists (and natural philosophers before them) have been looking for something, anything, to deny God?

dreadnought said:
Well, you would have to define "transitional fossils" for me. It was science fiction author Isaac Asimov who wrote that the Lord could create a world that appeared to be billions of years old. I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.

The most simple definition of transitional fossil is one which exhibits the characteristics of two different taxa, generally at a level above species.

DavidFirth said:
Yeah, I know. Methods based on assumptions.

Magic words like "assumptions" do not poof away the evidence in a cloud of smoke. Radiometric dating methods are based on observations and physics.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Feb 6, 2018

Heissonear said:
A well known cover up reply.

Lol! Like it or not, the incomplete list in the link I provided has about 179 different transitional fossil species.

bhsmte · Feb 6, 2018

Amusing thread.

Jimmy D · Feb 6, 2018

bhsmte said:
Amusing thread.

Bit preachy for my tastes.

bhsmte · Feb 6, 2018

Jimmy D said:
Bit preachy for my tastes.

Part of what makes it amusing.

Divide · Feb 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
It is not necessary to bybass God in order understand the Earth's past through scientific inquiry.

You may believe that, but it is a deception. Yes you will.

Heissonear said:
Does a person first need to learn of God's Ways before concluding what they learned from geologic science?

Speedwell said:
No.

Thank you for making my point.

Bugeyedcreepy · Feb 6, 2018

Heissonear said:
Which should a person do foremost towards understanding Earth's origin and history: turn to God or to Science?

Which one of the above holds the Key that unlocks Reality?

Does mankind need to know God and His Ways first or can they by-pass such and through scientific enquiry understand the Reality of Earth's past?

If they by-pass God to know about Earth's history do they make geologic science an idol?

Does a person first need to learn of God's Ways before concluding what they learned from geologic science?

Does the Bible clearly present Scriptures of at least one of God's Ways of Creating? Scriptures plain to understand of at least one of His Creative Ways?

Does the Bible present that God has used Apparent-Embedded Age when Creating complex objects?

I started a thread some time back posing a similar question but from the other point of view.

As far as I'm concerned though, the Bible was written by Men inspired by God - noting the fallibility of Mankind, along with the level and limitations of knowledge and language back then, surely examining God's creation directly would be the best way to understand the universe and reality around us? The Bible would be a collection of allegory works to help believers with spiritual guidance and inspiration and surely wasn't meant to be a book of science.

durangodawood · Feb 6, 2018

Jimmy D said:
Bit preachy for my tastes.

You dont like the big scripture billboards?

Halbhh · Feb 6, 2018

It's feverish effect(*) to think the scriptures and mainstream science have any lasting disagreement.
(*-- says my phone's autocorrect)

Perfect design, amazing laws of nature, physics.

The Creator is able to make laws of nature, physics, that would work, to begin with.

People interpreting and arguing, that's only inevitably human. (Ask 8 random believers to tell us the meanings in Genesis chapter 1, you should get 8 unique answers in many ways, but that God is there, behind or in all things)

Heissonear · Feb 6, 2018

The IbanezerScrooge said:
Whatevs. Why are you throwing bible verses at me in a science forum? Do you have any evidence to present regarding apparent age?

Incorrect on both accounts.

Introducing Scriptures that bear light on what is Reality and how to attain such understanding.

Such understanding will remain unattainable until you line up to God's Way of learning, which is more than through our senses and brain - foremost understanding should be attained from the Holy Spirit. Thus, Scriptures that point specifically to learning through Him teaching. Nothing was directed only to you.

As in the OP, which should a person turn to in learning Reality - God our Science?

I think by this point in the thread you should know the answer, and why we need to turn to Him foremost in our learning.

Making the Scriptures void in ones life on Earth will bring error in their walk and talk.

Setting God and His leading aside produces a trail of error in what one knows and concludes, including the geologic history of Earth.

Apparent Embedded Age in Creating Objects is something presented plainly in the Scriptures. I have used Eve to this point. She is an easy to recognize historical event by the Creator.

bhsmte · Feb 6, 2018

Heissonear said:
Incorrect on both accounts.

Introducing Scriptures that bear light on what is Reality and how to attain such understanding.

Such understanding will remain unattainable until you line up to God's Way of learning, which is more than through our senses and brain - foremost understanding should be attained from the Holy Spirit. Thus, Scriptures that point specifically to learning through Him teaching. Nothing was directed only to you.

As in the OP, which should a person turn to in learning Reality - God our Science?

I think by this point in the thread you should know the answer, and why we need to turn to Him foremost in our learning.

Making the Scriptures void in ones life on Earth will bring error in their walk and talk.

Setting God and His leading aside produces a trail of error in what one knows and concludes, including the geologic history of Earth.

Apparent Embedded Age in Creating Objects is something presented plainly in the Scriptures. I have used Eve to this point. She is an easy to recognize historical event by the Creator.

You can personally rely on your interpretation of scripture all you like, knock yourself out.

This is a science forum, so any questions regarding the same are very appropriate.

Heissonear · Feb 6, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
I must say, you did an OUTSTANDING job ignoring just about any relevant point that I raised in that post.

Brilliant.

You should get a Dodge as a prize.

One can easily see presenting points of ones understanding that have been produced by only their intellect: information without the Holy Spirits leading and correcting.

Again, one must turn to God for Reality. Setting Him and what He teaches to the side produces the manifold man-made error existing today.

Without the Holy Spirit teaching how can one understand key points in the Scriptures about God's Ways and Accomplishments with Divine Purpose?

Has the below Scriptures ever been effective in your life that has taught you things you would not know until such is active and effectively at work in you?

Many have made essentials in life from God basically void in their life. The Holy Spirit teaches about all things. .

Many have no teaching from the Holy Spirit at work in them. What they learn and say is from intellect, brain power. There needs to be both, with the Holy Spirit leading as we learn.

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