God Creating Complex Objects With Apparent Age

[Heissonear]

Sure, but first answer this: Your wife's birthday is coming up, which do you do, worship God or plan a nice day out with the missus?

-CryptoLutheran

Back on topic, many aquire knowledge and understanding without God, by using their intellect.

It is the independent use of one's intellect that is the problem. They derive reality without the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit.

Many have made a train wreck of what is reality by conclusions only acquired and supported by intellect.

Science has been polluted by people who have not put God foremost in steps towards acquiring Reality.

 

[bhsmte]

Back on topic, many aquire knowledge and understanding without God, by using their intellect.

It is the independent use of one's intellect that is the problem. They derive reality with the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit.

Many have made a train wreck of what is reality by conclusions only acquired and supported by intellect.

Science has been polluted by people who have not put God foremost in steps towards acquiring Reality.

This is still a science forum and you have yet to produce any credible science, just preaching.

 

[Heissonear]

I'll take that as a "yes" - you'll just continue ignoring what people say and spam preaching and bible verses.

DH, you are in a debate. Your intellect is insufficient to attain Reality about this Creation. And how to repond to the topic of Apparent Age. Going to God for understanding is not an option to attain Reality of Earth's past.

 

[bhsmte]

DH, you are in a debate. Your intellect is insufficient to attain Reality about this Creation. And how to repond to the topic of Apparent Age. Going to God for understanding is not an option to attain Reality of Earth's past.

Too bad you can't debate science, in a science forum and need to preach instead.

 

[Heissonear]

This is still a science forum and you have yet to produce any credible science, just preaching.

Back to the original post: what we can know through science of Earth's history must be subject to what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Many things are understood by geologic principles about the Earth we are on. But the Holy Spirit must lead in what we conclude about geologic information.

It appears you are looking at the geologic past without need for God, when in Reality God has shown His Understanding of this natural world in what is seen. We see Him when we look at the geology of the Earth. To the very last detail these geologic items were in His Mind prior to Creating them. Why have people got this backwards?

 

[bhsmte]

Back to the original post: what we can know through science of Earth's history must be subject to what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Many things are understood by geologic principles about the Earth we are on. But the Holy Spirit must lead in what we conclude about geologic information.

It appears you are looking at the geologic past without need for God, when in Reality God has shown His Understanding of this natural world in what is seen. We see Him when we look at the geology of the Earth. To the very last detail these geologic items were in His Mind prior to Creating them. Why have people got this backwards?

Still no science.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Back to the original post: what we can know through science of Earth's history must be subject to what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Why?

Many things are understood by geologic principles about the Earth we are on. But the Holy Spirit must lead in what we conclude about geologic information.

Why?

It appears you are looking at the geologic past without need for God, when in Reality God has shown His Understanding of this natural world in what is seen.

Actually, the opposite, considering that geology was one of the first things to contradict the bible hardcore.

We see Him when we look at the geology of the Earth.

Where? Give specific examples.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

It is the Holy Spirit that opens the content of the Bible. He leads people to understand the different parts of the Bible.

When one is baptized by the Holy Spirit they are drawn to the Bible, and taught many things within the Bible.

Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit?

I have been baptized (though, I'm sure you meant something else by "by the Holy Spirit") and lived as a Christian for over half of my life. What do you think went wrong? And what does your statement mean for all of the Christians around the world who disagree with your view of scripture?

 

[Heissonear]

This is still a science forum and you have yet to produce any credible science, just preaching.

The OP is about how the physical realm came into existence. All geologic and biologic information collected from the Earth was first clear in the Creators Mind before the Week of Creation.

All scientific details was within His Mind. God did not Create the Earth without geologic form, structurally, tectonically, nor stratigraphically.

You have no evidence that what I stated is untrue.

Meanwhile, do not forget that what the Bible states about Earth's origin and history came before the Modern Age and scientific enquiry. It is called Intelligent Design. Many scientists hold such a scientific view of the dynamics behind Earth forming.

The science of Evolution has major domains that must be believed in order to conclude the Earth came about through natural materials, processes, and natural forces.

Evolution is a faith. It must be believed. I'm well qualified by experience and academics to state so. I have been an Earth Scientist for over 50 years. And the first portion of those years was an adamant evolutionist and Naturalist, and viewed the Bible as full of myths and error.

Those who ignore zero transition fossils in billions that have been recovered, and the dilemma of how self-assembly of natural materials could not ever form a cell with DNA and RNA. It is equal to natural processes forming a car.

Putting evolution as a fact does not have supportive foundation, only speculations and conjecture.

Understanding the true foundation supoorting Evolutionists shows they preach Evolution, something that must be believed. You cannot state otherwise. Though many try.

 

[bhsmte]

The OP is about how the physical realm came into existence. All geologic and biologic information collected from the Earth was first clear in the Creators Mind before the Week of Creation.

All scientific details was within His Mind. God did not Create the Earth without geologic form, structurally, tectonically, nor stratigraphically.

You have no evidence that what I stated is untrue.

Meanwhile, do not forget that what the Bible states about Earth's origin and history came before the Modern Age and scientific enquiry. It is called Intelligent Design. Many scientists hold such a scientific view of the dynamics behind Earth forming.

The science of Evolution has major domains that must be believed in order to conclude the Earth came about through natural materials, processes, and natural forces.

Evolution is a faith. It must be believed. I'm well qualified by experience and academics to state so. I have been an Earth Scientist for over 50 years. And the first portion of those years was an adamant evolutionist and Naturalist, and viewed the Bible as full of myths and error.

Those who ignore zero transition fossils in billions that have been recovered, and the dilemma of how self-assembly of natural materials could not ever form a cell with DNA and RNA. It is equal to natural processes forming a car.

Putting evolution as a fact does not have supportive foundation, only speculations and conjecture.

Understanding the true foundation supoorting Evolutionists shows they preach Evolution, something that must be believed. You cannot state otherwise. Though many try.

The OP is posted in the science forum.

 

[Heissonear]

I have been baptized (though, I'm sure you meant something else by "by the Holy Spirit") and lived as a Christian for over half of my life. What do you think went wrong? And what does your statement mean for all of the Christians around the world who disagree with your view of scripture?

The fundamental to help understand to OP topic:

Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit?

As Acts 2 shows the Holy Spirit is a gift from Above, and makes us a dynamic, changing in to Christ likeness Temple of God.

Water baptism is by water.

I hope the verses bring an understanding of being baptized by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Heissonear]

The OP is posted in the science forum.

And informs of what to turn to for handling facts from science - conclusions from science.

It takes the Holy Spirit to lead a person into Reality, not independent science conclusions by a persons intellect.

There is your Reality to find.

 

[bhsmte]

And informs of what to turn to for handling facts from science - conclusions from science.

It takes the Holy Spirit to lead a person into Reality, not independent science conclusions by a persons intellect.

There is your Reality to find.

Prove it.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

So, I guess since I don't agree with you it means that I was not baptized by the Holy Spirit. You failed to answer my other question though.

What does that mean for all the other Christians that don't agree with you?

What of you're the one who's wrong? Could you be?

And, more to the topic... what evidence have you presented that anything exhibits "apparent age" and the history we observe evidence for never happened?

 

[DogmaHunter]

DH, you are in a debate.

I'm not.

I'm trying to debate, but I only get responses consisting of irrelevant, off-topic preaching.

Your intellect is insufficient to attain Reality about this Creation.

So now you are even resorting to insulting/questioning my intelligence?
Just how desperate are you?

And how to repond to the topic of Apparent Age.

You mean your "Last Thursdayism"-style belief.

Going to God for understanding is not an option to attain Reality of Earth's past.

You can say that again.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Back to the original post: what we can know through science of Earth's history must be subject to what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Why?

Is this your way of saying "if reality disagrees with the bible, then reality must be wrong"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

And informs of what to turn to for handling facts from science - conclusions from science.

It takes the Holy Spirit to lead a person into Reality, not independent science conclusions by a persons intellect.

There is your Reality to find.

I always find it hilarious when somebody who tries to argue for a certain belief, tells us to ignore our intellect and "just believe" instead.

 

[Heissonear]

Prove it.

As with any scientific principle, like centrifugal force and the speed of light, the below is a fundamental of reality in our midst.

The source of this reality is both the Bible and firsthand experience. It is testable, as many have found.

You should put it to the test. I did, like many.

 

[Heissonear]

So, I guess since I don't agree with you it means that I was not baptized by the Holy Spirit. You failed to answer my other question though.

What does that mean for all the other Christians that don't agree with you?

What of you're the one who's wrong? Could you be?

And, more to the topic... what evidence have you presented that anything exhibits "apparent age" and the history we observe evidence for never happened?

You ask good question.

For this reply, I want to know if what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit was applicable to you?

Jesus spoke of this specific Reality. Is applicable to you, also meant for you?

 

[Heissonear]

I'm trying to debate, but I only get responses consisting of irrelevant, off-topic preaching.

So now you are even resorting to insulting/questioning my intelligence?

As with the OP content, as applicable to all that read it, which should a person turn to - foremost - in order to find Reality, turn to God or their intellect?

In turning to God foremost it means - receiving foremost what the Holy Spirit teaches, and our intellect in subjection and need of teaching from the Holy Spirit in order to find Reality about Earth's origin and history.

Can a person by-pass God and only use their intellect to know the Reality of Earth's past?