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God created us without a way to stop sinning?

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God created us without a way to stop sinning?"

This is really not a correct statement in the first place. God did give us a way to stop sinning: through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

Man, on his own, is utterly incapable of not sinning. That is the total depravity of man. And unless God transforms a person's heart, it is indeed impossible for them to stop sinning. It is only through the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of the fallen sinner, through regeneration and sanctification that a person can stop sinning. But it is a life long battle. You will fight sin until the very hour you die and stand before the Lord.

But it is a worthy battle, and God gets the glory, rightfully so.
 
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In the last year I've watched as my faith has taken a large decline. It initially began over the idea of not being able to stop living a lust filled life (but that isn't what this question is about), and after talking to my girlfriend I realized there seems to be this huge hole in my knowledge about living as a sinner.

You see my girlfriend is a social worker, and constantly has to deal with patients who do not have the ability to properly reason. The idea that they need God is almost impossible for some of them to grasp. And the idea that they could stop the sinful ways they live? It's basically impossible. Like asking a potato to run.

Or I have a friend who was sexually abused growing up. He is a smart person, but his whole view on sexuality has completely been distorted. And we basically ask him to just "stop sinning"?

I don't understand it. I can understand a life living in pain, or without something. At least that has taught me something in my journey. But living a life of sin, where hope to remove it is essentially non existent? I don't understand how God can put us in that place. We didn't ask for these things to be part of our lives, they're just there. And we're told we need to remove them from our lives.
Everyone has trials and troubles in their life. We are never expected to live a sinless life, we are only expected to believe in Christs death, resurrection and the ability for Him to give us salvation because of that event.

After accepting Christ as our savior we strive to use His life as a compass for our actions and decisions.

Due to different factors we will have struggles on our walk. However, Christ has told us that we will not face any problem that is not "common to man" and He will always give us a solution or an ability to deal with it.

In the end, God knows our heart and our mind and why we did whatever we did. He will be the judge of our actions. He is Gracious and Merciful and forgives us our sins. We have nothing to worry about as we walk with His will as our goal.
 
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The only way I know is to pray about it.. I tried to apologize ( even though I didnt do anything wrong..but I was that person) and they wouldn't accept it..they kinda shoved the apology in my face..making the anger worse..they wouldn't acknowledge their wrong..thought they were right and that was that... So its literally out of my hands..

I tried to make it right even though it wasn't my fault , I apologized when I wasn't in the wrong and the person was still an *** ... I've prayed about it for quite some time..

But..nothing has happened...theres nothing I can do ..i did all I could do humanely...
Then you have done what God has asked you to do. If it is a toxic relationship do not get back into the toxicity. Pray that God will soften their hearts and show them forgiveness and how to forgive others.

That's all you can do.
 
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Then you have done what God has asked you to do. If it is a toxic relationship do not get back into the toxicity. Pray that God will soften their hearts and show them forgiveness and how to forgive others.

That's all you can do.
Youre right
 
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In the last year I've watched as my faith has taken a large decline. It initially began over the idea of not being able to stop living a lust filled life (but that isn't what this question is about), and after talking to my girlfriend I realized there seems to be this huge hole in my knowledge about living as a sinner.

You see my girlfriend is a social worker, and constantly has to deal with patients who do not have the ability to properly reason. The idea that they need God is almost impossible for some of them to grasp. And the idea that they could stop the sinful ways they live? It's basically impossible. Like asking a potato to run.

Or I have a friend who was sexually abused growing up. He is a smart person, but his whole view on sexuality has completely been distorted. And we basically ask him to just "stop sinning"?

I don't understand it. I can understand a life living in pain, or without something. At least that has taught me something in my journey. But living a life of sin, where hope to remove it is essentially non existent? I don't understand how God can put us in that place. We didn't ask for these things to be part of our lives, they're just there. And we're told we need to remove them from our lives.



What creates sin in our would is the amazing gift of God's Free Will given to us. We create sin by rebelling against God and doing what we want, and God is not going to intervene in anything we do not want him to which is an amazing gift. If you read the New Testament, Christ states that God does not look at the outside of a person but at their heart. Our innermost thoughts. If you are trying hard to fight against certain sins, but you do them, you can take solace in st paul's words:


"So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s Law.But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!'

Attaining virtues to replace our sins, especially one's that are engrained, takes time. One most continually battle against them, and this is what a Christian is called to do.

"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

When we struggle against our sins, when we pray for God to help us, when we ascetically stay away from them as best we can little by little we will make progress, for Christ commands us to be perfect as our Father is perfect, so we are able to attain perfection if we work hard on Earth, for the 'Kingdom of Heaven is within you'. It is not a place in the sky.

and as you are fighting your sins with God's help, st. James says:

Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

If you need inspiration along the way, read the lives of the saint. They attained the Holy Spirit in full, so they are in full union with God and have become perfected within God's Divine Love which dwells in their heart. Seek Union with God, for without God, we can do nothing.
 
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God created us without a way to stop sinning?

I think that can’t be true because eternal life is for righteous, and righteous person is without sin.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

But what is really sin and what righteous means? I think it doesn’t mean person who doesn’t do mistakes. It rather means person who understands when he has done wrongly and regrets as in this example:

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Luke 18:10-14

For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises up again; But the wicked are overthrown by calamity.
Pro. 24:16

Righteousness is like right understanding or state of mind, which makes person to be faithful / loyal to God. And I have understood that sin and opposite of righteous is actually same as rejecting God, or live without God. If you don’t reject God, you have no sin or you don’t live in sin.

But sin can also mean mistake. Mistakes can be forgiven and I believe they are forgiven. But if person doesn’t understand when he has made mistake, then the forgiveness is not useful.

The difficult question is what is really wrong act, or mistake. Those are not necessary what people usually may think they are. In any case, I think the right thing is to remain faithful to God and not reject Him.
 
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Or I have a friend who was sexually abused growing up. He is a smart person, but his whole view on sexuality has completely been distorted. And we basically ask him to just "stop sinning"?

I don't understand it. I can understand a life living in pain, or without something. At least that has taught me something in my journey. But living a life of sin, where hope to remove it is essentially non existent?

The problem is not with God. The problem is most all Christian churches have a diluted gospel.

We do not "stop sinning" we get delivered from sin supernaturally and when God does it, it's done and we don't return to it. But this happens by God-given power to live delivered from sin.

Paul describes this when he says "dead to sin". I have died to a few sins, like watching TV. I died to it. I did not "stop watching TV" ... rather TV became the most terrible thing to endure where I'd rather watch paint dry than watch TV because I want to... because I don't want to. I was delivered from it supernaturally.

It took effort on my part... deliverance is not "give me!'s" where we just automatically manifest it. We have to have faith, and faith comes by God's word. When I was delivered of television nonsense, I spent 1 month reading and listening to sermons for my free time. That is was all I did for free time that month. I was also healed of a mental illness, and part of that healing was not going back to TV which promotes mental illnesses.

So don't blame God. Blame a poopy doopy church that sits in a big heap of unbelief.

I don't bother listening to any pastor that hasn't seen multiple miracles in their life and the lives of those they minister to. If your pastor can't tell you of miracles, and how they happened by God and how you get them for yourself in your life, just keep looking. And I'm not talking fraudulent stuff, I'm talking about if what they say is true, you should be able to take what they teach, go do it yourself and see the miracle, and this should happen relatively soon... less than a year usually... a month perhaps.

If the teaching doesn't bear fruit it's a bad teaching. A good teaching on miracles, will produce miracles.

So no, a person can be delivered and be dead to all sin by God. They already are dead to all sin if they are a Christian... that they don't know they are dead to sin, is what allows it to indwell their thinking, and cause them to sin... but in their spirit they are 100% dead to sin permanently. When a person renews their mind to the scriptures, and believes them to the point of it being faith which involves miraculous outcomes, then they will see their spiritual thinking take over and they can be delivered of sins by God. When this happens the sinning stops. It can be done for any sin behavior.

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As believers we need to continue to:
-From The Lord's Prayer, " And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors..." Matt 6:12
-"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I John 1:9
 
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So you have talked about pretty much living a righteous life/ trying to stop certain sins/ giving it to God to help you with it because you WANT to change. What if you obey only out of fear? Is that wrong? Because the only way I was able to come to repentance was out of actual, literal fear :/
 
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So you have talked about pretty much living a righteous life/ trying to stop certain sins/ giving it to God to help you with it because you WANT to change. What if you obey only out of fear? Is that wrong? Because the only way I was able to come to repentance was out of actual, literal fear :/

Is man’s objective in this life to: “Never ever sin?” If it is all have failed, so why did God not start over?

God allowed Adam and Eve to sin, so is there some purpose behind the nonbeliever sinning that might help the nonbeliever fulfill his earthly objective?

There may be a purpose behind sin for the nonbeliever, but there seems to be no purpose for the believer to continue sinning, so can we stop?

You want to stop sinning which is great, but the Spirit that dwells within you does not want to be inactive (sit around not sinning may keep you from hurting others, but it does not help others). Continuously thinking about what you cannot do, or have, will not keep you from doing it or getting it (that might have been part of Eve’s problem).

The way to “stop sinning” is to quit trying not to sin and spend all your time and energy doing good stuff to help others (the Spirit can really participate in that kind of activity and will take the lead and really do it for you [in spite of you]). You cannot “stop” doing stuff, but you can spend all your time doing good stuff. Like Eve, who had hundreds of trees to eat from, God has blessed you with hundreds of opportunities to do good stuff. Just take the little faith and Love you have and do something with it but do not do it because I said to do it, but do it purely out of gratitude for what God has done for you.
 
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In the last year I've watched as my faith has taken a large decline. It initially began over the idea of not being able to stop living a lust filled life (but that isn't what this question is about), and after talking to my girlfriend I realized there seems to be this huge hole in my knowledge about living as a sinner.

You see my girlfriend is a social worker, and constantly has to deal with patients who do not have the ability to properly reason. The idea that they need God is almost impossible for some of them to grasp. And the idea that they could stop the sinful ways they live? It's basically impossible. Like asking a potato to run.

Or I have a friend who was sexually abused growing up. He is a smart person, but his whole view on sexuality has completely been distorted. And we basically ask him to just "stop sinning"?

I don't understand it. I can understand a life living in pain, or without something. At least that has taught me something in my journey. But living a life of sin, where hope to remove it is essentially non existent? I don't understand how God can put us in that place. We didn't ask for these things to be part of our lives, they're just there. And we're told we need to remove them from our lives.
Sin needs to be redefined, (as if it was ever clearly defined in the first place). Sin is deliberate disloyalty to deity. Sexual attraction or thoughts are not sin, they are instinctual. Instincts are God given, we use them according to our moral compass.
 
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So you have talked about pretty much living a righteous life/ trying to stop certain sins/ giving it to God to help you with it because you WANT to change. What if you obey only out of fear? Is that wrong? Because the only way I was able to come to repentance was out of actual, literal fear :/
Remember when the boat the disciples of JEsus was in was about to capsize in a huge storm, they thought they were going to die ? There were totally AFRAID.
This was the disciples living with Jesus at the time,
following Jesus,
being trained by Jesus,
totally AFRAID of an itty bitty STORM that was about to capsize (and sink?) the boat they were in.......
 
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Remember when the boat the disciples of JEsus was in was about to capsize in a huge storm, they thought they were going to die ? There were totally AFRAID.
This was the disciples living with Jesus at the time,
following Jesus,
being trained by Jesus,
totally AFRAID of an itty bitty STORM that was about to capsize (and sink?) the boat they were in.......
Sorry but... I don't see how that relates to what I said :/
 
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Sorry but... I don't see how that relates to what I said :/
You posted that you were afraid, didn't you?
I posted that the disciples WITH JESUS IN PERSON were afraid - for encouragement and to show
that
the disciples were tempted the same as all of us are.
 
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Is man’s objective in this life to: “Never ever sin?” If it is all have failed, so why did God not start over?

God allowed Adam and Eve to sin, so is there some purpose behind the nonbeliever sinning that might help the nonbeliever fulfill his earthly objective?

There may be a purpose behind sin for the nonbeliever, but there seems to be no purpose for the believer to continue sinning, so can we stop?

You want to stop sinning which is great, but the Spirit that dwells within you does not want to be inactive (sit around not sinning may keep you from hurting others, but it does not help others). Continuously thinking about what you cannot do, or have, will not keep you from doing it or getting it (that might have been part of Eve’s problem).

The way to “stop sinning” is to quit trying not to sin and spend all your time and energy doing good stuff to help others (the Spirit can really participate in that kind of activity and will take the lead and really do it for you [in spite of you]). You cannot “stop” doing stuff, but you can spend all your time doing good stuff. Like Eve, who had hundreds of trees to eat from, God has blessed you with hundreds of opportunities to do good stuff. Just take the little faith and Love you have and do something with it but do not do it because I said to do it, but do it purely out of gratitude for what God has done for you.
You're implying that spending all your time doing "good" is the way to stop sinning but it is not. One can still do all the "good" stuff and still battle with sin behind closed doors. I've seen it. And if one quits trying not to sin then he/she may fall right back into it. Isn't faith without works dead? And doesn't the bible talk about dying to "self" and taking up your cross daily and follow Him? So in accordance to what you said, you can't eradicate the EFFORT one has to make to live a life of less sin even if we are supposed to be walking with Him.
 
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In the last year I've watched as my faith has taken a large decline. It initially began over the idea of not being able to stop living a lust filled life (but that isn't what this question is about), and after talking to my girlfriend I realized there seems to be this huge hole in my knowledge about living as a sinner.

You see my girlfriend is a social worker, and constantly has to deal with patients who do not have the ability to properly reason. The idea that they need God is almost impossible for some of them to grasp. And the idea that they could stop the sinful ways they live? It's basically impossible. Like asking a potato to run.

Or I have a friend who was sexually abused growing up. He is a smart person, but his whole view on sexuality has completely been distorted. And we basically ask him to just "stop sinning"?

I don't understand it. I can understand a life living in pain, or without something. At least that has taught me something in my journey. But living a life of sin, where hope to remove it is essentially non existent? I don't understand how God can put us in that place. We didn't ask for these things to be part of our lives, they're just there. And we're told we need to remove them from our lives.
Mike,

If this life were the endgame, then things would be just as hopeless as you have described - but it's not.

The passages in the Bible that you may or may not have read that refer to "the end", refer to the actual endgame, and this ain't it. No, this life, is you and me playing out our fate before God. This is our time of being able to see ourselves in action and to come to terms with how we are and what we really want...and God has creatively put us in just the right setting to get the most out of it. If you realize this...you can even enjoy the experience. We are even told enjoy it, to examine our lives, and determine where we stand. So, do that...and know that God has all the details well in hand.

God bless.
 
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The STORM wasn't ITTY BITTY to the disciples either.

But what did JESUS DO during the GIANT STORM ABOUT TO CAPSIZE THE BOAT?
I see where you misunderstood me :D The fear I speak of is not about the "storm" while Jesus is present. It is the fear of Jesus/God Himself.
 
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