God Created Evil

[Gregory Thompson]

Your short version was that God gave up on involvement on earth and delegated it to either Adam, the devil or both

I'd like to know why you'd seek to remove God from the equations of anything, as a believer

Which means people need to pray so God will get involved.

People don't pray enough, so that's why it's so messed up.

In fact it is so messed up, that the overall resonance of "no prayer" results in an environment of sin.

This may be why Paul instructed us the pray without ceasing.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Which means people need to pray so God will get involved.

What makes you think God isn't involved? Last I recall the Word is living and active

And part of that work is making sin utterly sinful in preparations for final eradication of the devil and his messengers.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What makes you think God isn't involved? Last I recall the Word is living and active

And part of that work is making sin utterly sinful in preparations for final eradication of the devil and his messengers.

It's pretty basic, the world is messed up, if this is God's will - guess what your afterlife will look like?

However, according to scripture, I believe God is good.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

However, according to scripture, I believe God is good.

You should at least make a concession to scripture that God uses evil to make good. Yes, He is that powerful

Not that God needs anyone's excuses for His creation in any case. But even such are caused to see this way by God or HIs alternative methods. We're all partly obscured, on purpose

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You should at least make a concession to scripture that God uses evil to make good. Yes, He is that powerful

Not that God needs anyone's excuses for His creation in any case. But even such are caused to see this way by God or HIs alternative methods. We're all partly obscured, on purpose

God indwells evil humans to save other evil humans. God is still good though, it's just us that are bad.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

God indwells evil humans to save other evil humans. God is still good though, it's just us that are bad.

It's always the same. Believers never see their own binding to the tempter, even if they admit being tempted internally, in mind. Such are led to blame and accuse people and to ignore the role of the devil(s). To ignore the immediate cause, which is not the people.

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

Sins are counted against "not flesh and blood," Eph. 6:12

The devil is in fact a sinner, and those who sin are "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

That would be the devil and his messengers. "against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Serving their roles. Elemental spirits. AntiChrist spirits. All made by God, and meant to be permanently discarded upon completion of uses.

We're all sinners while in this present life. None but Jesus was sinless. Just to get that off the table

The tempter clouds the sights of all people, with his darkness, Acts 26:18. Even admitting to this fact personally takes the gift of honesty which can only come from God. Otherwise such remain Divinely Purposefully oblivious, never knowing the source of their own evil defiling thoughts, thinking it's only themselves, Mark 7:21-23 when it's the reality of Mark 4:15 in action, every day, from every conceivable direction

God does all of this with Divine Purpose. Showing His Force, yet we never saw it coming:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Michael Junior]

I have been a Christian since 2006, and in most of those years, Christians I spoke to would staunchly rebuke the idea that God created evil. They would say evil is simply a result of our human sinful choices. But that's not what the Bible clearly states...

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

Many Christians will use James as a rebuke, where he states God never tempts anyone, but tempting someone to sin, and creating evil are not the same thing. God created everything that exists, evil exists, therefore God created evil... this even fits a logical argument. But why would a holy God create evil? For His Glory.

This is the difficult answer so many people struggle with: God created all there is for His glory, and nothing else.

“Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth, everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory” Isaiah. 43:6–7

Some Christians believe He created us because He loves us and wants a relationship with us, but that is not what the Bible teaches. Of course He does love us and wants a relationship with us, but that is not why we were created. All glory be to Him. His understanding is unsearchable (Isaiah 40).

I think we humans try to put our understanding of love and holiness on God, when we are sorely lacking in understanding. What say you?

The word from greek evil that is translated means calamity which means god brings calamity on wicked people which is for your own good.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's always the same. Believers never see their own binding to the tempter, even if they admit being tempted internally, in mind. Such are led to blame and accuse people and to ignore the role of the devil(s). To ignore the immediate cause, which is not the people.

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

Sins are counted against "not flesh and blood," Eph. 6:12

The devil is in fact a sinner, and those who sin are "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

That would be the devil and his messengers. "against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Serving their roles. Elemental spirits. AntiChrist spirits. All made by God, and meant to be permanently discarded upon completion of uses.

We're all sinners while in this present life. None but Jesus was sinless. Just to get that off the table

The tempter clouds the sights of all people, with his darkness, Acts 26:18. Even admitting to this fact personally takes the gift of honesty which can only come from God. Otherwise such remain Divinely Purposefully oblivious, never knowing the source of their own evil defiling thoughts, thinking it's only themselves, Mark 7:21-23 when it's the reality of Mark 4:15 in action, every day, from every conceivable direction

God does all of this with Divine Purpose. Showing His Force, yet we never saw it coming:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Not really picking up what you're putting down. Thanks for the civil discourse though.

 

[GodisgraciousR325AV]

Jeremiah 11:11 ​

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Not really picking up what you're putting down. Thanks for the civil discourse though.

Unfortunate when believers can't do simple math on these subjects

All have sin, Romans 3:9
Sin is of the devil, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15
And God created everything including all powers. Evil is a power

Pity, really, not being able to follow along with the scriptural narratives

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Unfortunate when believers can't do simple math on these subjects

All have sin, Romans 3:9
Sin is of the devil, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15
And God created everything including all powers. Evil is a power

Pity, really, not being able to follow along with the scriptural narratives

Apologies, I can't bapticostal anymore.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm sure you'll locate a reasonable polytheist group sometime

Well, at least I know where you stand.