God created evil ...

[Scott Husted]

... in that, being outside of him (or in one picture the process in seed form of Abram's exceeding and great reward/a seed in itself) makes him through our own perception an adversary, which the process of this seed can be seen in Adam who hides from and after sin conceives is driven from eden ... by a voice other than Gods walking in his garden.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Yes, the same Hand that planted the Tree of Life also planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

 

[Noxot]

By Simply Having a mind we can conceive of the exact opposite. I agree with the camp that says that we would have eventually been allowed to eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil when God felt we were ready. Evil has a purpose. It's a negative purpose. Evils purpose is to be rejected. Separation helps to give definition. Without separation How can there be Unity? The sun and the planets and their moons, they are a Unity.

In a way coffee is like the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil because at first it makes you happy and then it makes you crash. They say if you drink too much it's unhealthy for you but if you drink a little bit it's good for you. A pile of rocks might seem useless but people can do things with it.

certainly Jesus was the kind that did not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and it was at the right time when he had already waxed strong having been nourished for a long time by the tree of life. So in that way his soul was powerful, before he incarnated as a fleshly human being. Then in his created aspect of his soul also it was said that he grew in stature.

This world seems to have come about after a very long time of experiences. We are thrown into a world that was fallen and that God breathed new life into, that which it was at that time capable of accepting.

 

[Scott Husted]

The tree is all in which day you eat of it (which lends itself to Eve as the first picture of babylon) ... through obedience the tree yields its fruit without ever having touched (the duality of) it.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

God created evil ...

or jus maybe the guardian angels became the accusers

 

[Scott Husted]

God created evil ...

or jus maybe the guardian angels became the accusers

1/3 ...

 

[Noxot]

I think in a way creation has to be evil because only God is good. I have also recently considered that the intentions of the Fallen Angels may have been good but they may not have realized the difference between their Theory and the actual experience of these states of being.
And another thing, those Guardian Angels also have their own things that God has given them and God sets them over such and such a person even if some of the things those people believe may be quite inferior compared to Greater angels. Nevertheless God is wise. Having our own freedom is tormenting in some ways but god resolves everything in his Trinity.

This is another reason why I believe that the humanity of the Son and his divinity being one hypostasis is important. Our freedom is rooted in the Sons Humanity. In that regard we cannot say that creation is evil. But the adam that fell must have been in some ways closed off from the greater revelation of the second Adam. This Paradox is only resolved in the trinity. Christians really have a great advantage in our teachings of the Trinity and in the son being fully God and fully human. But some people like the Neoplatonist being themselves just an outward form of their own religion scoff and say that Christians ripped off their ideas. It is not good to function in a world where distinct things are highly separated when God himself is universal and uses what he can to give us an understanding according to the capacity of the one he may reveal something to. God is The Giver of every perfect gift. Therefore it seems sane to always want what is better and perfect & More near to God. There is probably a lot of leeway in heaven, one develops more in one way and another better in this other good way. Both apple and pear trees are good.

 

[Tolworth John]

... in that, being outside of him (or in one picture the process in seed form of Abram's exceeding and great reward/a seed in itself) makes him through our own perception an adversary, which the process of this seed can be seen in Adam who hides from and after sin conceives is driven from eden ... by a voice other than Gods walking in his garden.

No, God created beings that knew him and had the choice to willingly obey or disobey.
True obedience also has the ability and opertunity to disobey.
In creating this God did not create evil. Those who chose to disobey created evil.
Remember evil is the absence of good it is not a thing it is the lack of something.

 

[Inkfingers]

We know that God creates evil.

Isaiah 45:7 explicitly says so.

 

[Scott Husted]

No, God created beings that knew him and had the choice to willingly obey or disobey.
True obedience also has the ability and opertunity to disobey.
In creating this God did not create evil. Those who chose to disobey created evil.
Remember evil is the absence of good it is not a thing it is the lack of something.

Do you see the progression found in the language that describes the accumulative end of the process found in Adam? And how Jesus faced the same trial over words his father had spoken over him at the jordan ...

 

[Scott Husted]

We know that God creates evil.

Isaiah 45:7 explicitly says so.

That can leave some with a delima ...

I think it was Paul that said God wasn't the author of confusion, yet when God came down to see the name man was making for themselves (a tower/pulpit of Babel) not the name in the white stone) he confused them, or with Jeremiah when he told if he became afraid of the face of men he would confound him ... identity is seemingly key to all this.

 

[Inkfingers]

That can leave some with a delima ...

I think it was Paul that said God wasn't the author of confusion, yet when God came down to see the name man was making for themselves (a tower/pulpit of Babel) not the name in the white stone) he confused them, or with Jeremiah when he told if he became afraid of the face of men he would confound him ... identity is seemingly key to all this.

Indeed.

Paul says God is not the author of confusion. Genesis says that he is. One of these must be mistaken.

 

[Scott Husted]

Indeed.

Paul says God is not the author of confusion. Genesis says that he is. One of these must be mistaken.

God always brings us to a consensus in ourselves ... if we're willing to follow the anecdote prescribed.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

1/3 ...

3/4 by NT estimations

 

[Noxot]

God is the fundamental being. So in comparison of things that are lacking him, it must be expressed that they fall short. But even ash is used for gardens. God's Providence is even over hell but for their part they are lacking something, though God is Not and in his mercy and wisdom continues to guide, teach, correct and excetera. Naturally that which is overabundance shall provide for that which is lacking. The sun gives light even to things we do not like. Even in a cave do the bats go back, poop, and feed the Cockroaches and the poop is a richness for future life. Often God speaks and expresses as matter of fact reality. Eventually the cave might collapse and make a Cenote, which means an entire new ecosystem. in that picture you can see how the Divine seeds remain latent until certain conditions can be fulfilled.

Those in Hell have insane Cravings which by God's nature he cannot fulfill for them, so they suffer because of an unfulfilled desire. Yet the righteous are considered blessed for having a hunger and a thirst for righteousness. God was kind when his people wanted flesh in the wilderness. He gave an overabundance because he is good. But the giving soon turned to torture because their desires were not Grand enough to be permanently fulfilled by God even though he can give infinitely.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

In prayer one can hopefully see others as God sees them, children of circumstances, that He so chooses to look upon only that child's heart and what has been made from their lessons given by Him.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, Matthew 5:44

Wisdom reaches mightily from one end of the earth to the other,and she orders all things well Wisdom 8:1 . ...
for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. Matthew 5:45

Look at the birds of the air; they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? Matthew 6:26

But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? Matthew 6:30