God changed the Sabbath

[W2L]

Hi friend
I am so sad that people see the Sabbath as legalism, its actually the opposite, it is a wonderful blessing to one day a week enter into His rest. Take some time away from creating (working, cleaning, focusing on ourselves and our money) and focus on God and our family. I so look forward to it each and every week after slaving for the man and the world system of craziness, I get to enter into His embrace. Sabbath is a gift not legalism, you all should give it a try sometime

So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

1. a keeping sabbath.
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

I don't believe Hebrews 4 is referring a particular day of the week, but it is referring to Gods Sabbath that All men are to find rest in. In my fallible opinion. Anyway, apparently Sabbath is off topic here, so we should not discuss it further.

 

[1John2:4]

I don't believe Hebrews 4 is referring a particular day of the week, but it is referring to Gods Sabbath that All men are to find rest in. In my fallible opinion. Anyway, apparently Sabbath is off topic here, so we should not discuss it further.

OK see you in the Sabbath and law forum

 

[pilgrimage]

I don't believe Hebrews 4 is referring a particular day of the week, but it is referring to Gods Sabbath that All men are to find rest in. In my fallible opinion. Anyway, apparently Sabbath is off topic here, so we should not discuss it further.

Apparently everything referring to the Rest that is in Christ is the topic but not the days Sunday vs Saturday. Rest in Christ should be the topic of all that are in the grace of God. But apparently that alludes most.

 

[W2L]

Apparently everything referring to the Rest that is in Christ is the topic but not the days Sunday vs Saturday. Rest in Christ should be the topic of all that are in the grace of God. But apparently that alludes most.

So why would it be off topic to say the Sabbath rest found in Hebrews 4 is not found on a certain day of the week?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Ad nauseam

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ad nauseam

Most of the threads and posts, so ?

Yhwh never changed the Sabbath.

It is written that the enemy did (in and for the world and carnal).

(but not for the ekklesia)

 

[bugkiller]

I'm just trying to get you to play fair here. Its not right to criticize MJ and SDA while excusing the orthodox. THe Orthodox, or at least the OP anyway, seem to be teaching that Hebrews 4 refers to Sunday.

You're arguing religion. I'm not. Speaking against false doctrine isn't speaking against or attacking a group of people.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I don't believe that one must be so non legalistic that they turn it into a form of legalism in itself. I don't care what day people feel they must worship God on. I think Romans 14 seems to teach that is must be ok to worship on certain days. However, I cant stand partiality in judgment and bias religion. If we are going to criticize MJ and SDA then lets take the log from our own eye first.

Worship on the day your organization meets. When worshipping on a certain day is required for salvation is where we part company.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Which gospel do you want people to use?

Acts 18
[After this, Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them. Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Luke 4
[Jesus Drives Out an Impure Spirit
Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath he taught the people. They were amazed at his teaching, because his words had authority.]

The Apostles and the LORD taught in the Synagogues during Sabbath and The Apostles collected offerings every first day of the week and the LORD rose early in the morning on that day. How am I to respond to both days? Because both days, seem to have particular tasks? :/

What day does your church take/receive offerings/money? Is it only on non worship days?

bugkiller

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Most of the threads and posts, so ?

Yhwh never changed the Sabbath.

It is written that the enemy did (in and for the world and carnal).

(but not for the ekklesia)

What does this verse say as an example for new covenant believers?

2 Corinthians 3:13-15
And are not like Moses, who put a veil on his face so that the sons of Israel would not gaze at the end of that which was being done away with.
But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.

 

[bugkiller]

See John 17. Jesus's Prayer.
We (ekklesia) respond to the Father, intimately, daily, continually, in union with Him living, as Jesus requested.

Note that as you learn more of the Hebrew language and days,
you'll find as everyone does pursuing Yhwh and Truth (this is His(Yhwh's) Direct Promise in His Word),
that Yeshua was already gone from the grave right after sunset on the 7th day.
English translations without knowing Hebrew mistakenly places the resurrection during 1st day a.m. (morning).

It seems you want things both ways to promote your position. You argue different methods of tracking time/days. The day begins at sunset for the Jews in the time of Jesus. Then you want to argue the day begins at daylight. Effectively you're saying that Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday to defeat the Sunday worship argument of Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week now our Sunday which begins at midnight, not dawn.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

@Cassia I do apologize for the misunderstanding. It my desire to abolish the Sunday myth. We most likely have the same opinion about Sabbath and sunday, I'm assuming

What Sunday myth are you talking about?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

"When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons."

And so...

bugkiller

 

[W2L]

What Sunday myth are you talking about?

bugkiller

The OP doesn't wish to discuss it.

 

[W2L]

You're arguing religion. I'm not. Speaking against false doctrine isn't speaking against or attacking a group of people.

bugkiller

Yes, but as I said the scales of justice should be balanced. God hates unjust scales.

 

[bugkiller]

We Calculated this in a Messianic Jew forum and it seemed that Jesus was Crucified on a Wednesday and was placed in the Tomb at 6.00 p.m

Wednesday -Thursday (6.00 p.m - 6.00 p.m) =1 day
Thursday - Friday (6.00p.m-6.00 p.m) = 2 day
Friday - Saturday (6.00p.m- 6.00 p.m) = 3 Day
Sunday morning - Jesus was risen
(3 days and 3 nights in the tomb)

However, the Feast days were always counted starting from the following day in the morning but started at twilight of the previous day,

["These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.]

Is this based on 72 hours being required? How?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The OP doesn't wish to discuss it.

I want to know. The OP doesn't forbid discussion.

bugkiller

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The OP doesn't wish to discuss it.

Yes, well, I do admit I don't know what they are looking for ....

 

[bugkiller]

Yes, but as I said the scales of justice should be balanced. God hates unjust scales.

I fail to see what your post has to do with the discussion other than you're making an accusation. That is forbidden here by the rules. Its called attacking the poster.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Good Friday to Resurrection does count as 3 days and nights according to the way the Jews spoke about time then. there's absolutely nothing requiring a complete day or hours of daylight and hours of darkness (night). Any part of a day is counted as a whole. WE even speak that way these days.

bugkiller