God changed the Sabbath

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times i and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time

My emphasis here is on scripture that says the Lord has changed times and seasons.

Dan 2:20-22
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever; For wisdom and might are his.
21 And it is He that changeth times and seasons; He deposeth kings, and setteth up kings; He giveth wisdom to the wise, And knowledge to them that know understanding.
22 It is he that revealeth the deep and secret things; He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Mark 1:15
and saying, The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God has drawn nigh; repent and believe in the glad tidings.

Luke 21:8
And he said, See that ye be not led astray, for many shall come in my name, saying, *I* am [he], and the time is drawn nigh: go ye not [therefore] after them.

Acts 1:6-7
They therefore, being come together, asked him saying, Lord, is it at this time that thou restorest the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said to them, It is not yours to know times or seasons, which the Father has placed in his own authority;​

There are many reasons to believe that it is in fact God who changed the day of worship to Sunday, It's the first day of the week that the Lord resurrected from the dead and signifies a new beginning and a new age in time, from the old covenant to the new covenant where Jesus, as the Head of the New Creation, is over that of the old creation.

Leviticus 23:10-11
10 Speak unto the children of Israel and say unto them, When ye come into the land that I give unto you, and ye reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest unto the priest.
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, to be accepted for you; on the next day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
15 And ye shall count from the morning after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering, seven weeks; they shall be complete;
​

Note that the first day of the week plus the count of seven weeks brings the day to pentecost__ the birth of the church

Christ is the firstfruit of the resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:20
(But now Christ is raised from among [the] dead, first-fruits of those fallen asleep.
23 But each in his own rank: [the] first-fruits, Christ; then those that are the Christ's at his coming.​

Therefore this is the day that Jehovah has made; Let us exult and rejoice in it, because today God has begotten Him

Acts 13:33
That God has fully fulfilled this promise to us their children in raising up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, "You are My Son; this day have I begotten You.''
​

So we give Him first place in everything, even over creation because He has brought in the new creation.

Colossians 1:18
18 And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, that He Himself might have the first place in all things;
​

And why we call it the Lord's day rather than the Sabbath

Revelation 1:10
I was in spirit on the Lord's Day and heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
​

Because He is our rest

Matthew 11:28-29
Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.​

From the Hebrew the word for sunday is Rishon and means "the former becoming the first"

The first day day of the week is called Rishon

7223. rishon ►

rishon: former, first, chief
Original Word: רִאשׁוֹן
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: rishon
Phonetic Spelling: (ree-shone')
Short Definition: first

ancestors (3), before (4), beginning (2), chief (1), chiefs (1), earlier (4), earlier things (1), first (113), first one (2), first time (1), forefathers (1), foremost (1), former (25), former ones (4), former things (6), formerly (6), front (1), old (1), older (1), one in front (1), past (1), previous (1), previously (1).


182 adjective former, first, chief (i heightened from original a, see √); — absolute ׳ר Hosea 2:19 +, שֹׁן- - Exodus 12:15 +, רִישׁוֺן Job 8:8, construct רִאשׁוֺן Job 15:7 Qr (Kt ראישון and so always Manuscript Sam. Pentateuch, see Köii. 1, 225 n); feminine רִאשֹׁנָה Judges 20:37 + (Joshua 21:10 Kt ראישנה see above); masculine plural רִאשֹׁנִים Exodus 34:1 +, feminine plural רִאשֹׁנוֺת Isaiah 41:22 +, etc.; —
1 former:

a. in time, former of two Genesis 25:25 (J), Genesis 41:20 (E), Deuteronomy 10:1,2,3,4,10; Deuteronomy 24:4, compare Hosea 2:9; Leviticus 4:21; Leviticus 9:15 (both P), Judges 20:39; 2 Kings 1:14; Haggai 2:3,9; Ezra 3:12 +; more Generally former, previous, Numbers 21:26 (JE), Micah 4:8; 2 Kings 17:34,40; Zechariah 1:4; Zechariah 7:7,12; Zechariah 8:11; Nehemiah 5:15; Eccl 17:10; Psalm 79:8 +; ׳כָּעֵת הָ ר Isaiah 8:23; ׳דִּבְרֵי דויד הָ ר 1 Chronicles 29:29 the doings of David, the former and the latter (הָאַחֲדֹנִים), compare 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 16:11; 20:34; 25:26; 26:22; 28:26; 35:27; early days of harvest 2 Samuel 21:9; רִאשֹׁנִים as substantive, former persons, ancestors, men of old, Deuteronomy 19:14; Leviticus 26:45 (H), Ecclesiastes 1:11 (opposed to אַחֲרֹנִים); (תָ)רִאשֹׁנוֺת as substantive the former things, i.e. past events Isaiah 41:22; Isaiah 43:9,18; Isaiah 46:9; Isaiah 48:3, earlier predictions Isaiah 42:9.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

As an aside from doing His will comes growth

Growth in Christ to maturity

The importance is in growth and not in works at all.

But first one must be born of incorruptable seed or else there is no life to grow because of being dead in sin. 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Corinthians 15:53, 1 Peter 1:4 Human life alone isn't qualified to be One in God, that organic union depends upon the divine life mingled with our human life in faith and in baptism into His death which is the beginning, the elemental that needs to grow with the divine life. Not that the divine life in itself needs growth but that we need to grow into it by the gradual (from glory to glory) reckoning of death to all that is revealed of the old self. Col 2:22-23 He must increase and we must decrease. As His body we can do this because after all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church Ephesians 5:29

However even this growth needs regulation. Our growth is to grow with God Himself increasing in us. What revelation reveals about the natural flesh and soul needs recognizing as being restricted by bringing the natural under the control of the divine. The Christ in us is King. We're in a priestly kingdom, a citizen of the kingdom. It doesn't take any training to be a hippie or a loose person but royal families train for it their whole lives. So, for that, obedience is needed. There's a great experience that follows obedience that's an increase in light and love that is meant to increase further obedience that still furthers growth and developement in grace. The results are in perpetual progress. Bringing the natural under the control of the divine. Yeilding to God light falls on the pathway and creates love. Love suggests obedience. The will, impulsed by love yeilds to the light and on it goes. It's not a work at all but only growth. Unbelief and disobedience impedes growth.

We have so many different character traits that all need regulating in every aspect of life. To be useful to God we have to allow the light to shine upon us to bring us to the Lord's judgement and according to His standards that reveal our true selves and helps us to become true to our new selves.

Without growth, even if you have the divine life, there is no maturity. The life plus the growth gives one maturity. Maturity comes out of growth, which is what the book of Hebrews is all about.

Matthew 25:4 shows the wise virgins as having oil both in in their lamps and in their vessels. The lamp signifies our spirit Proverbs 20:27 and the vessel signifies our soul, our being Romans 9:21,23 Both in our spirit and in our entire being we should be full of the (indwelling) oil, which signifies the Holy Spirit Isa 61:1; Heb 1:9 The more growth the more infilling of the Holy Spirit which is the growth in God.

Matthew 25 also speaks of the slaves talents and their diligence, because functionality depends on diligence. That comes from proper conduct thru co-operation with God. Fellowship and prayer with the Lord co=operates to recieve His enlightenment, and to be dealt with by Him. Slothful people will never contact the Lord regularly, seemingly because they are content in their own dirty diapers that they have deemed (luke)warm to stay in. In order to grow and reach maturity one needs to be diligent.

Growth to maturity demands being filled with the Spirit and to be diligent with yourself to use the ability in maturity to serve the Lord. These two can be seen as the infilling of the Spirit and the outpouring of the Spirit for service.

To live a life in the Spirit is to reach maturity in Christ by the submission of the whole being to allow the HS into every part so as to function as a mature person that Jesus can use.


What that would look like

Maturity, the good ground:
- obedient behavior (flesh under control and submissive to the Holy Spirit)
- sorting gospel from tradition ( mind under the Holy Spirit)
- seeking above all else to please Him and serve others ( human spirit submissive

Personal fellowship, holiness of character:
-intellegence- able to understand things of God
( soul needs to overcome greed)
- emotion- love God and all He loves
(flesh needs to overcome lust)
- will- choosing things in harmony with His will
( human spirit needs to overcome pride)

Righteous conduct, co-operative activity:
-intellegence- moving in harmony with God
(again soul needs to overcome greed)
-emotions- in action
(again flesh needs to overcome lust)
-will- choosing things of God
(again the human spirit needs to overcome pride)

 

[seashale76]

So, the Sabbath was never changed. It's still Saturday and that is not suddenly undone. The issue is that people confuse the Sabbath with Sunday, the day of Christ's Resurrection. Two things: 1) We are not to judaize. 2) We celebrate liturgy and specifically participate in corporate worship on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection of Christ.

 

[Rick Otto]

As an aside from doing His will comes growth

Growth in Christ to maturity

The importance is in growth and not in works at all.

But first one must be born of incorruptable seed or else there is no life to grow because of being dead in sin. 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Corinthians 15:53, 1 Peter 1:4 Human life alone isn't qualified to be One in God, that organic union depends upon the divine life mingled with our human life in faith and in baptism into His death which is the beginning, the elemental that needs to grow with the divine life. Not that the divine life in itself needs growth but that we need to grow into it by the gradual (from glory to glory) reckoning of death to all that is revealed of the old self. Col 2:22-23 He must increase and we must decrease. As His body we can do this because after all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church Ephesians 5:29

However even this growth needs regulation. Our growth is to grow with God Himself increasing in us. What revelation reveals about the natural flesh and soul needs recognizing as being restricted by bringing the natural under the control of the divine. The Christ in us is King. We're in a priestly kingdom, a citizen of the kingdom. It doesn't take any training to be a hippie or a loose person but royal families train for it their whole lives. So, for that, obedience is needed. There's a great experience that follows obedience that's an increase in light and love that is meant to increase further obedience that still furthers growth and developement in grace. The results are in perpetual progress. Bringing the natural under the control of the divine. Yeilding to God light falls on the pathway and creates love. Love suggests obedience. The will, impulsed by love yeilds to the light and on it goes. It's not a work at all but only growth. Unbelief and disobedience impedes growth.

We have so many different character traits that all need regulating in every aspect of life. To be useful to God we have to allow the light to shine upon us to bring us to the Lord's judgement and according to His standards that reveal our true selves and helps us to become true to our new selves.

Without growth, even if you have the divine life, there is no maturity. The life plus the growth gives one maturity. Maturity comes out of growth, which is what the book of Hebrews is all about.

Matthew 25:4 shows the wise virgins as having oil both in in their lamps and in their vessels. The lamp signifies our spirit Proverbs 20:27 and the vessel signifies our soul, our being Romans 9:21,23 Both in our spirit and in our entire being we should be full of the (indwelling) oil, which signifies the Holy Spirit Isa 61:1; Heb 1:9 The more growth the more infilling of the Holy Spirit which is the growth in God.

Matthew 25 also speaks of the slaves talents and their diligence, because functionality depends on diligence. That comes from proper conduct thru co-operation with God. Fellowship and prayer with the Lord co=operates to recieve His enlightenment, and to be dealt with by Him. Slothful people will never contact the Lord regularly, seemingly because they are content in their own dirty diapers that they have deemed (luke)warm to stay in. In order to grow and reach maturity one needs to be diligent.

Growth to maturity demands being filled with the Spirit and to be diligent with yourself to use the ability in maturity to serve the Lord. These two can be seen as the infilling of the Spirit and the outpouring of the Spirit for service.

To live a life in the Spirit is to reach maturity in Christ by the submission of the whole being to allow the HS into every part so as to function as a mature person that Jesus can use.


What that would look like

Maturity, the good ground:
- obedient behavior (flesh under control and submissive to the Holy Spirit)
- sorting gospel from tradition ( mind under the Holy Spirit)
- seeking above all else to please Him and serve others ( human spirit submissive

Personal fellowship, holiness of character:
-intellegence- able to understand things of God
( soul needs to overcome greed)
- emotion- love God and all He loves
(flesh needs to overcome lust)
- will- choosing things in harmony with His will
( human spirit needs to overcome pride)

Righteous conduct, co-operative activity:
-intellegence- moving in harmony with God
(again soul needs to overcome greed)
-emotions- in action
(again flesh needs to overcome lust)
-will- choosing things of God
(again the human spirit needs to overcome pride)

Nice.
Maturity.
Good points. I was just talking about this with my wife and her sister at the bar today. I had to go there to pick up my keyboards but the band had taken them back to the band face already, so we called her sister to come over for lunch and had a great conversation with one of the owners.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

So, the Sabbath was never changed. It's still Saturday and that is not suddenly undone. The issue is that people confuse the Sabbath with Sunday, the day of Christ's Resurrection. Two things: 1) We are not to judaize. 2) We celebrate liturgy and specifically participate in corporate worship on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection of Christ.

To each their own as to rest ....

 

[lstnag2016]

The Day of YHWH

The LORD'S Day - John in the Spirit was given a vision of the 1000 year period (The Messianic Era) from the Tribulation until the Great White Throne, The Seventh day, The day of YHWH

Isa 2:12

For the day of YHWH of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isa 13:6

Howl ye; for the day of YHWH is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9

Behold, the day of YHWH cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jer 46:10

For this is the day of Adonai YHWH of hosts, a day of vengeance, that He may avenge Him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for Adonai YHWH of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Eze 13:5

Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of YHWH.

Eze 30:3

For the day is near, even the day of YHWH is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe 1:15

Alas for the day! for the day of YHWH is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joe 2:1

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of YHWH cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Joe 2:11

And YHWH shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His Word: for the day of YHWH is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joe 3:14

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision.

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of YHWH! to what end is it for you? the day of YHWH is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:20

Shall not the day of YHWH be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Oba 1:15

For the day of YHWH is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

Zep 1:7

Hold thy peace at the presence of Adonai YHWH for the day of YHWH is at hand: for YHWH hath prepared a sacrifice, He hath bid His guests.

Zep 1:14

The great day of YHWH is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of YHWH the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zec 14:1

Behold, the day of YHWH cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

1Co 5:5

To deliver such an one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Adonai YESHUA

2Co 1:14

As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Adonai YESHUA

1Th 5:2

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Adonai so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pe 3:10

But the day of the Adonai will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Adonai's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

6 days - 6000 years of the kingdoms of this world

The 7th day = YHWH's day 1000 year Reign of YESHUA
Mark 2:28

 

[seashale76]

To each their own as to rest ....

It isn't really. Acts 15 talks about how the judaizers were not to enforce the law on everyone. Also, Hebrews 10 talks about gathering to worship together. Acts 20 and 1 Corinthians 16 talk about how Christians came together to worship on the first day of the week (i.e. Sunday).

 

[SAAN]

There is no where in the bible that states Jesus, in his 40 days after the Resurrection, went around starting up Sunday churches.

Acts 20:6-7
6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

-In regards to Acts 20:6 Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed, so its clear they were still keeping the same days before the cross.

-In regards to Acts 20:7 the fact that Paul met up with them and spoke til midnight shows that Paul showed up when the Sabbath ended on Saturday and spoke with them until midnight. This was a one time example and not a weekly occurrence.


1 Corinthians 16:1-2
16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


- There was a famine going on in Jerusalem, so Paul was taking up an offering for them. He might have done this weekly, but this verse was not an example that everyone gathered together for a Sunday morning worship service to collect tithes and offerings.



God did not change the day of worship to Sunday, its Christianity that did and has been passing it down as truth. There is nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday, as I go on Sundays too, since there is no command against that, but lets not butcher and take scriptures out of context to try to say God did something that he never did and is nowhere found in scriptures.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The Day of YHWH

The LORD'S Day - John in the Spirit was given a vision of the 1000 year period (The Messianic Era) from the Tribulation until the Great White Throne, The Seventh day, The day of YHWH

Isa 2:12

For the day of YHWH of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isa 13:6

Howl ye; for the day of YHWH is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9

Behold, the day of YHWH cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jer 46:10

For this is the day of Adonai YHWH of hosts, a day of vengeance, that He may avenge Him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for Adonai YHWH of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Eze 13:5

Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of YHWH.

Eze 30:3

For the day is near, even the day of YHWH is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe 1:15

Alas for the day! for the day of YHWH is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joe 2:1

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of YHWH cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Joe 2:11

And YHWH shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His Word: for the day of YHWH is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joe 3:14

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision.

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of YHWH! to what end is it for you? the day of YHWH is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:20

Shall not the day of YHWH be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Oba 1:15

For the day of YHWH is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

Zep 1:7

Hold thy peace at the presence of Adonai YHWH for the day of YHWH is at hand: for YHWH hath prepared a sacrifice, He hath bid His guests.

Zep 1:14

The great day of YHWH is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of YHWH the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zec 14:1

Behold, the day of YHWH cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

1Co 5:5

To deliver such an one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Adonai YESHUA

2Co 1:14

As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Adonai YESHUA

1Th 5:2

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Adonai so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pe 3:10

But the day of the Adonai will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Adonai's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

6 days - 6000 years of the kingdoms of this world

The 7th day = YHWH's day 1000 year Reign of YESHUA
Mark 2:28

None of the Op's scripture was related to the judgement seat of Christ

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

There is no where in the bible that states Jesus, in his 40 days after the Resurrection, went around starting up Sunday churches.

Acts 20:6-7
6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

-In regards to Acts 20:6 Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed, so its clear they were still keeping the same days before the cross.

-In regards to Acts 20:7 the fact that Paul met up with them and spoke til midnight shows that Paul showed up when the Sabbath ended on Saturday and spoke with them until midnight. This was a one time example and not a weekly occurrence.


1 Corinthians 16:1-2
16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


- There was a famine going on in Jerusalem, so Paul was taking up an offering for them. He might have done this weekly, but this verse was not an example that everyone gathered together for a Sunday morning worship service to collect tithes and offerings.



God did not change the day of worship to Sunday, its Christianity that did and has been passing it down as truth. There is nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday, as I go on Sundays too, since there is no command against that, but lets not butcher and take scriptures out of context to try to say God did something that he never did and is nowhere found in scriptures.

The Op has too much scripture from both old and new to ascribe it to making up a theology from verses out of context. If you want to believe that Constantine was responsibile for the change then go ahead and ascribe it to man. But note the first scripture in the OP and it says that the world only tries to change the times but ALL of the rest of the scripture references applies to how He did change it.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Nice.
Maturity.
Good points. I was just talking about this with my wife and her sister at the bar today. I had to go there to pick up my keyboards but the band had taken them back to the band face already, so we called her sister to come over for lunch and had a great conversation with one of the owners.

As an aside from doing His will comes growth

Growth in Christ to maturity

The importance is in growth and not in works at all.

But first one must be born of incorruptable seed or else there is no life to grow because of being dead in sin. 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Corinthians 15:53, 1 Peter 1:4 Human life alone isn't qualified to be One in God, that organic union depends upon the divine life mingled with our human life in faith and in baptism into His death which is the beginning, the elemental that needs to grow with the divine life. Not that the divine life in itself needs growth but that we need to grow into it by the gradual (from glory to glory) reckoning of death to all that is revealed of the old self. Col 2:22-23 He must increase and we must decrease. As His body we can do this because after all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church Ephesians 5:29

However even this growth needs regulation. Our growth is to grow with God Himself increasing in us. What revelation reveals about the natural flesh and soul needs recognizing as being restricted by bringing the natural under the control of the divine. The Christ in us is King. We're in a priestly kingdom, a citizen of the kingdom. It doesn't take any training to be a hippie or a loose person but royal families train for it their whole lives. So, for that, obedience is needed. There's a great experience that follows obedience that's an increase in light and love that is meant to increase further obedience that still furthers growth and developement in grace. The results are in perpetual progress. Bringing the natural under the control of the divine. Yeilding to God light falls on the pathway and creates love. Love suggests obedience. The will, impulsed by love yeilds to the light and on it goes. It's not a work at all but only growth. Unbelief and disobedience impedes growth.

We have so many different character traits that all need regulating in every aspect of life. To be useful to God we have to allow the light to shine upon us to bring us to the Lord's judgement and according to His standards that reveal our true selves and helps us to become true to our new selves.

Without growth, even if you have the divine life, there is no maturity. The life plus the growth gives one maturity. Maturity comes out of growth, which is what the book of Hebrews is all about.

Matthew 25:4 shows the wise virgins as having oil both in in their lamps and in their vessels. The lamp signifies our spirit Proverbs 20:27 and the vessel signifies our soul, our being Romans 9:21,23 Both in our spirit and in our entire being we should be full of the (indwelling) oil, which signifies the Holy Spirit Isa 61:1; Heb 1:9 The more growth the more infilling of the Holy Spirit which is the growth in God.

Matthew 25 also speaks of the slaves talents and their diligence, because functionality depends on diligence. That comes from proper conduct thru co-operation with God. Fellowship and prayer with the Lord co=operates to recieve His enlightenment, and to be dealt with by Him. Slothful people will never contact the Lord regularly, seemingly because they are content in their own dirty diapers that they have deemed (luke)warm to stay in. In order to grow and reach maturity one needs to be diligent.

Growth to maturity demands being filled with the Spirit and to be diligent with yourself to use the ability in maturity to serve the Lord. These two can be seen as the infilling of the Spirit and the outpouring of the Spirit for service.

To live a life in the Spirit is to reach maturity in Christ by the submission of the whole being to allow the HS into every part so as to function as a mature person that Jesus can use.


What that would look like

Maturity, the good ground:
- obedient behavior (flesh under control and submissive to the Holy Spirit)
- sorting gospel from tradition ( mind under the Holy Spirit)
- seeking above all else to please Him and serve others ( human spirit submissive

Personal fellowship, holiness of character:
-intellegence- able to understand things of God
( soul needs to overcome greed)
- emotion- love God and all He loves
(flesh needs to overcome lust)
- will- choosing things in harmony with His will
( human spirit needs to overcome pride)

Righteous conduct, co-operative activity:
-intellegence- moving in harmony with God
(again soul needs to overcome greed)
-emotions- in action
(again flesh needs to overcome lust)
-will- choosing things of God
(again the human spirit needs to overcome pride)

Thanks for looking at the second part of the OP!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times i and the laws.
The saints will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time
My emphasis here is on scripture that says the Lord has changed times and seasons.

Dan 7 sounds a lot like he is referring the corrupt murderous Chief Priest that tried Jesus and had Saul bring Christians to Jerusalem to be put on trial...........The RC Pope is also considered a type of "Chief Priest", and of course, Jesus is also our Chief Priest.

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
JESUS VS THE OC JEWISH RULERS

Mat 26:
3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the court of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas;
63 and Jesus was silent.
And the chief priest answering said to him, 'I adjure thee, by the living God, that thou mayest say to us, if thou art the Christ -- the Son of God.'
64 Jesus saith to him, 'Thou hast said; nevertheless I say to you, hereafter ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the rights of the power and coming upon the clouds, of the heaven.'

Act 22:5
as also the chief priest doth testify to me, and all the eldership; from whom also having received letters unto the brethren, to Damascus, I was going on, to bring also those there bound to Jerusalem that they might be punished,

Act 23:
2 and the chief priest Ananias commanded those standing by him to smite him on the mouth,
3 then Paul said unto him, 'God is about to smite thee, thou whitewashed wall, and thou -- thou dost sit judging me according to the law, and, violating law, dost order me to be smitten!'
4 And those who stood by said, 'The chief priest of God dost thou revile?'

Heb 2:17
wherefore it did behove him in all things to be made like to the brethren, that He might become a kind and stedfast chief-priest in the things with God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people,


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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Dan 7 sounds a lot like he is referring the corrupt murderous Chief Priest that tried Jesus and had Saul bring Christians to Jerusalem to be put on trial...........The RC Pope is also considered a type of "Chief Priest", and of course, Jesus is also our Chief Priest.

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
JESUS VS THE OC JEWISH RULERS

Mat 26:
3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the court of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas;
63 and Jesus was silent.
And the chief priest answering said to him, 'I adjure thee, by the living God, that thou mayest say to us, if thou art the Christ -- the Son of God.'
64 Jesus saith to him, 'Thou hast said; nevertheless I say to you, hereafter ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the rights of the power and coming upon the clouds, of the heaven.'

Act 22:5
as also the chief priest doth testify to me, and all the eldership; from whom also having received letters unto the brethren, to Damascus, I was going on, to bring also those there bound to Jerusalem that they might be punished,

Act 23:
2 and the chief priest Ananias commanded those standing by him to smite him on the mouth,
3 then Paul said unto him, 'God is about to smite thee, thou whitewashed wall, and thou -- thou dost sit judging me according to the law, and, violating law, dost order me to be smitten!'
4 And those who stood by said, 'The chief priest of God dost thou revile?'​

Jesus, in Hebrews, is depicted as replacing the Levitical priesthood for sure. Times refers to the feasts appointed to the Jewish people ( Lev 23 ) and law, to the law of God given thru Moses, which Hebrews also states that the risen Christ is greater than.

Heb 2:17
wherefore it did behove him in all things to be made like to the brethren, that He might become a kind and stedfast chief-priest in the things with God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people,

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To summarize Propitiation, He did more than any chief priest could do whether Moses or the Levitical Priesthood

A) Christ offered Himself to God
Hebrews 9:13-14
For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

B) offered what could make propitiation
Hebrews 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:22
And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

C) body of Christ becomes the new mercy seat
1 Peter 2:24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

-Jesus Christ propitiated the Father
-Jesus Christ alone could offer Himself, so God could give grace
-not an earthly altar, but by His own body
-Christ's blood propitiates and the sinner recieves the benefits

The self-righteous Pharisee, sought to change God's attitude by his prayer, offerings, conduct and deeds.
The publican put himself under the blood which gave God basis for dealing with him in mercy and grace.

 

[Rick Otto]

Thanks for looking at the second part of the OP!!!

I'm sure glad you didn't give up on us and leave.
You don't make a whole lot of posts and when I check what posts to check on, yours I look for by name, not topic. I lurk your posts sometimes.
I'm sorry if I missed the larger point. I read that part and it seemed to be the whole point for me,... and brought that conversation to mind... because that person had 'more to the story' information on a couple of big sharks in the local pool I had brushes with in the business jungle. (I successfully sued a fresh lawyer who became a major player later, and I was a witness in a sexual harassment suit against the owner of big telemarketing firm).
Maturity in Christ is a matter of survival, not just happiness.

 

[Rick Otto]

So, the Sabbath was never changed. It's still Saturday and that is not suddenly undone. The issue is that people confuse the Sabbath with Sunday, the day of Christ's Resurrection. Two things: 1) We are not to judaize. 2) We celebrate liturgy and specifically participate in corporate worship on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection of Christ.

I think so far she's sayin' He changes the times in reference to the NT, justifying Sunday meeting as a tradition, but I missed her comment on Sabbath obligation. Maybe because I thought the first part made the second part a foregone conclusion & started glossing over. Forgive me, I do that too often.

 

[Rick Otto]

The Op has too much scripture from both old and new to ascribe it to making up a theology from verses out of context. If you want to believe that Constantine was responsibile for the change then go ahead and ascribe it to man. But note the first scripture in the OP and it says that the world only tries to change the times but ALL of the rest of the scripture references applies to how He did change it.

I'm good with that, if the translation helps us around the Sabbath being established "forever".
Personally, I see the Sabbath as something to keep holy and Sunday as a tradition of gathering. Sabbath gathering is more about family than congregation, no?
I'm not a 7th day Adventist, but I sure like their devotion to God.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

So, the Sabbath was never changed. It's still Saturday and that is not suddenly undone. The issue is that people confuse the Sabbath with Sunday, the day of Christ's Resurrection. Two things: 1) We are not to judaize. 2) We celebrate liturgy and specifically participate in corporate worship on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection of Christ.

I think that in offering Himself as our rest Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath,

Colosians 2: Alive in Christ
…15And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon,or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.…

As one who does not go to church Saturday or Sunday but rather am in His Word as He leads.

I feel that these scriptures in the first two posts of the OP where given to me recently. I firmly believe now that God did change the days to honor the firstfruit of the new creation over the old creation's celebration..

This is the new sabbath and there is another to come. Was, is and is to come

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I'm sure glad you didn't give up on us and leave.
You don't make a whole lot of posts and when I check what posts to check on, yours I look for by name, not topic. I lurk your posts sometimes.
I'm sorry if I missed the larger point. I read that part and it seemed to be the whole point for me,... and brought that conversation to mind... because that person had 'more to the story' information on a couple of big sharks in the local pool I had brushes with in the business jungle. (I successfully sued a fresh lawyer who became a major player later, and I was a witness in a sexual harassment suit against the owner of big telemarketing firm).
Maturity in Christ is a matter of survival, not just happiness.

You have no idea how much these words and others like them mean to me ... God bless bunches!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

It isn't really. Acts 15 talks about how the judaizers were not to enforce the law on everyone. Also, Hebrews 10 talks about gathering to worship together. Acts 20 and 1 Corinthians 16 talk about how Christians came together to worship on the first day of the week (i.e. Sunday).

I didn't respond to this post because I thought you agreed about the Sabbath but perhaps it was me that missed something.

 

[Soyeong]

My emphasis here is on scripture that says the Lord has changed times and seasons.

Daniel 7:25-26 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end.

This is not speaking favorably at all about the one who would try to change the times and the law and should actually be a warning against following someone who tries to do that.

Dan 2:20-22
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever; For wisdom and might are his.
21 And it is He that changeth times and seasons; He deposeth kings, and setteth up kings; He giveth wisdom to the wise,
And knowledge to them that know understanding.
22 It is he that revealeth the deep and secret things; He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Changing the seasons is not the same thing as changing the times that God has appointed in His law. The Bible talks in a number of places about God's law and appointed times being eternal, which is not something subject to change.

Mark 1:15 and saying, The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God has drawn nigh; repent and believe in the glad tidings.

Luke 21:8
And he said, See that ye be not led astray, for many shall come in my name, saying, *I* am [he], and the time is drawn nigh: go ye not [therefore] after them.

Acts 1:6-7
They therefore, being come together, asked him saying, Lord, is it at this time that thou restorest the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said to them, It is not yours to know times or seasons, which the Father has placed in his own authority;

Talking about something drawing near or about when something will happen is not at all the same as saying that God changes his eternal law.

There are many reasons to believe that it is in fact God who changed the day of worship to Sunday, It's the first day of the week that the Lord resurrected from the dead and signifies a new beginning and a new age in time, from the old covenant to the new covenant where Jesus, as the Head of the New Creation, is over that of the old creation.

Leviticus 23:10-11
10 Speak unto the children of Israel and say unto them, When ye come into the land that I give unto you, and ye reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest unto the priest.
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, to be accepted for you; on the next day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
15 And ye shall count from the morning after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering, seven weeks; they shall be complete;

The Feast of Firstfruits is a yearly event, so why would it signify a change in a weekly event? Furthermore, why is it then that most Christians don't keep the Feast of Firstfruits? You can celebrate Messiah's resurrection as often or as infrequently as you like, but it is one thing to optionally follow a man-made tradition and another to say that obedience to your tradition removes the need to obey God's command.

Note that the first day of the week plus the count of seven weeks brings the day to pentecost__ the birth of the church

Note that Israel is referred to as church in the OT, so was not born on Pentecost. The Bible prophecies the rebuilty of David's tents (Amos 9:11).

Revelation 1:10
I was in spirit on the Lord's Day and heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

The Day of the Lord has a specific meaning in Jewish eschatology that refers to the day that he was seeing in his vision, not the day of the week on which he happened to have his vision.

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Because He is our rest

Matthew 11:28-29
Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Jesus was referencing this passage:

Jeremiah 6:16-19 Thus says the Lord: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ 17 I set watchmen over you, saying, ‘Pay attention to the sound of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We will not pay attention.’ 18 Therefore hear, O nations, and know, O congregation, what will happen to them. 19 Hear, O earth; behold, I am bringing disaster upon this people, the fruit of their devices, because they have not paid attention to my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.

Will you walk in the good way where you will find rest for your soul in accordance with God's law or will you reject it in favor of keeping your own traditions? Jesus was very critical of those who set aside the commands of God to follow their own traditions (Mark 7:6-13).

From the Hebrew the word for sunday is Rishon and means "the former becoming the first"

The first day day of the week is called Rishon

7223. rishon ►

rishon: former, first, chief
Original Word: רִאשׁוֹן
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: rishon
Phonetic Spelling: (ree-shone')
Short Definition: first

ancestors (3), before (4), beginning (2), chief (1), chiefs (1), earlier (4), earlier things (1), first (113), first one (2), first time (1), forefathers (1), foremost (1), former (25), former ones (4), former things (6), formerly (6), front (1), old (1), older (1), one in front (1), past (1), previous (1), previously (1).


182 adjective former, first, chief (i heightened from original a, see √); — absolute ׳ר Hosea 2:19 +, שֹׁן- - Exodus 12:15 +, רִישׁוֺן Job 8:8, construct רִאשׁוֺן Job 15:7 Qr (Kt ראישון and so always Manuscript Sam. Pentateuch, see Köii. 1, 225 n); feminine רִאשֹׁנָה Judges 20:37 + (Joshua 21:10 Kt ראישנה see above); masculine plural רִאשֹׁנִים Exodus 34:1 +, feminine plural רִאשֹׁנוֺת Isaiah 41:22 +, etc.; —
1 former:

a. in time, former of two Genesis 25:25 (J), Genesis 41:20 (E), Deuteronomy 10:1,2,3,4,10; Deuteronomy 24:4, compare Hosea 2:9; Leviticus 4:21; Leviticus 9:15 (both P), Judges 20:39; 2 Kings 1:14; Haggai 2:3,9; Ezra 3:12 +; more Generally former, previous, Numbers 21:26 (JE), Micah 4:8; 2 Kings 17:34,40; Zechariah 1:4; Zechariah 7:7,12; Zechariah 8:11; Nehemiah 5:15; Eccl 17:10; Psalm 79:8 +; ׳כָּעֵת הָ ר Isaiah 8:23; ׳דִּבְרֵי דויד הָ ר 1 Chronicles 29:29 the doings of David, the former and the latter (הָאַחֲדֹנִים), compare 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 16:11; 20:34; 25:26; 26:22; 28:26; 35:27; early days of harvest 2 Samuel 21:9; רִאשֹׁנִים as substantive, former persons, ancestors, men of old, Deuteronomy 19:14; Leviticus 26:45 (H), Ecclesiastes 1:11 (opposed to אַחֲרֹנִים); (תָ)רִאשֹׁנוֺת as substantive the former things, i.e. past events Isaiah 41:22; Isaiah 43:9,18; Isaiah 46:9; Isaiah 48:3, earlier predictions Isaiah 42:9.

Rishon does not refer to the Sabbath, but to transitioning from the 7th day back to the 1st day.