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The problem with Saturday vs Sunday is when one crowd tries to condemn the other to hell over a day of worship.

"The day" , per se, is vital, but doesn't necessarily mean or lead to death.
WHO someone trusts though can and does lead to death // "there is a sin unto death".
Trust in God - Life and Blessing.
Trust in men - death and destruction.

(no matter what or which 'group' someone is in, turn to God to be saved.
Being in or a member of any group means nothing at all on Judgment Day, actually .
Choose TODAY to trust God, turn to God and ASK HIM (not man) for salvation.
No one besides God can or does grant salvation in truth and for eternity,
ONLY God. ...
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Man just messes things up.)
 
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There is no where in the bible that states Jesus, in his 40 days after the Resurrection, went around starting up Sunday churches.

Nah. That was the Apostles who did that, in the name and authority of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Nah. That was the Apostles who did that, in the name and authority of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

I will give that post a thumbs up. Blame it all on the Apostles. If we are all wrong on the Sunday Sabbath it is because the Apostles set us on the first day of the week thing.
 
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To each their own as to rest ....

So Hebrews 4 is talking about Sunday?


Hebrews 4New International Version (NIV)

A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God

4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,


“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:


“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[d]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
 
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I'm sure glad you didn't give up on us and leave.
You don't make a whole lot of posts and when I check what posts to check on, yours I look for by name, not topic. I lurk your posts sometimes.
I'm sorry if I missed the larger point. I read that part and it seemed to be the whole point for me,... and brought that conversation to mind... because that person had 'more to the story' information on a couple of big sharks in the local pool I had brushes with in the business jungle. (I successfully sued a fresh lawyer who became a major player later, and I was a witness in a sexual harassment suit against the owner of big telemarketing firm).
Maturity in Christ is a matter of survival, not just happiness.

Explain it to me then brother, because I'm confused.
 
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Sunday is the first day of the week.. And this is the day the disciples of Christ would meet...

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. - John 20:19

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. - Acts 20:7

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. -1 Corinthians 16:2

You guys make me sad, very sad. I plead this scripture.


Galatians 4:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
 
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I will give that post a thumbs up. Blame it all on the Apostles. If we are all wrong on the Sunday Sabbath it is because the Apostles set us on the first day of the week thing.

No, I wont blame it on the apostles.

Galatians 4:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
 
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Nah. That was the Apostles who did that, in the name and authority of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
You cannot add or subtract to the scriptures. The only people who can even do that is God or Jesus. There is zero scriptures if read in proper context in which the apostles went around starting Sunday churches.

-Paul meeting on a Saturday night and speaking until midnight on the 1st day of the week, meaning he spoke with them for 6 hrs, is not an example of a weekly meeting.
-The apostles gathering on a Sunday in fear of the Jews is not an example of a weekly gathering for worship.
-Collecting offering on the 1st day of the week is not an example of Sunday morning service, but rather Paul taking up a offering for the needy in Jerusalem and they couldnt conduct business on the Sabbath anyways, so that may be the reason he did the offering collection on Sunday.
 
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No, I wont blame it on the apostles.

Galatians 4:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
You will have to explain this to me W2L. This is a subject that is on my mind of late. Its passed my bedtime so can't read this thread but from the little I have seen of yr posts over the last week you seem to be on an ok level to get opinions from. God bless you.
 
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Looks to me like you took a detour there to avoid some unanswered questions.

By "keep on topic" do you mean stop asking those touchy questions?

On the scripture, I didn't see how it proved your points.
I meant I don't want the thread removed to law and sabbath forum :yawn:
 
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You will have to explain this to me W2L. This is a subject that is on my mind of late. Its passed my bedtime so can't read this thread but from the little I have seen of yr posts over the last week you seem to be on an ok level to get opinions from. God bless you.

To me is simple. God gave us liberty from the law and that's what Galatians is saying. Some people say this Galatians scripture refers to observing pagan days, others say it refers to observing Jewish days. I think however the liberty in chapters 5-6 are enough. We have liberty only don't use it for the flesh, but to love instead. No holy days of worship are necessary.
 
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You cannot add or subtract to the scriptures. The only people who can even do that is God or Jesus. There is zero scriptures if read in proper context in which the apostles went around starting Sunday churches.

-Paul meeting on a Saturday night and speaking until midnight on the 1st day of the week, meaning he spoke with them for 6 hrs, is not an example of a weekly meeting.
-The apostles gathering on a Sunday in fear of the Jews is not an example of a weekly gathering for worship.
-Collecting offering on the 1st day of the week is not an example of Sunday morning service, but rather Paul taking up a offering for the needy in Jerusalem and they couldnt conduct business on the Sabbath anyways, so that may be the reason he did the offering collection on Sunday.

How about this, using Scripture, you show us when Christians should get together for worship.

If you can find even one example of Scripture commanding Christians to gather on the Sabbath for weekly worship, then you'll have--at the very least--the very beginnings of something resembling an argument.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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