God and Time: Does God exist in all points in time?

[Bible Highlighter]

Saying that God is timeless and not held to time, does not mean that when God chose to interact with mankind that there was not an element of time in place so mankind could understand it. We are under the construct of time so it is to give US that construct, not that God needed it.

So do you believe God exists in some kind of future timeline (Whereby He already experienced our future) and we are now just reliving that experience?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

"Physical" is just a collection of energy. Every particle is actually just energy.
If God changes reality, then you wouldn't know unless God wanted you to.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins and it was not an illusion or some form of unreality. That was very real. If it was not real, then sin is not real, and redemption is not real, etc. Just because something solid is matter out of a form of different energy does not make thing any less real (if that thing is created by GOD). In the Matrix, people's real bodies were plugged into a machine and the machines were using them as batteries. The unreality was the Matrix. In Star Trek TNG, DS9, VGR, the holodeck was not like our reality in any way because it was photons and force fields and artificial computer programming to simulate life to trick a person they were in a real physical world that GOD created. The plants in the holodeck were not actual plants. The people were not actual people. They were imaginary constructs by man with no real substance in reality. The holodeck was a world unreality. Man cannot create life like GOD. Man cannot re-create the creation. Only God can create life and the real things we see in the universe. You need to put away watching secular movies like the Matrix, etc. They are filling your mind with worldly philosophies and not with truth that is taught in the Bible.

 

[zelosravioli]

Others may believe God also has the power to exist in some outside dimension where our time moves super fast from his perspective while we experience time normally. Five of our years of our time could be like 5 minutes from his perspective (when a part of Himself exists in this dimension). But what about the other part? The part of God that is ever active and presently involved in our creation? Does this make sense in light of what we see in Scripture? (from OP)

The theory you questioned/stated in your OP above states that "... our time moves super fast from his perspective"
It might 'seem' that time changes speed, but rather this theory should note; that 'God' can move, or move 'things' slow or fast (micro or macro) relative to our speed - but time itself doesn't need to speed up or slow down. God Himself can simply move or think fast or slow - this is all that is necessary to make it 'seem' that time slows or speeds up (we all experience this, sometimes when we are working, sleeping, relaxing, time doesn't change - but it seems to have moved slow or fast)
For example; God is doing something right now, right? Isn't it true that God can do ten zillion things in one second, while we do one?
Yet doing ten zillion things won't tire or wear God down right? So God does not feel like it took Him a long time - 'one day is as a thousand and one thousand as a day'
Our computers and Google seem to do just that - it seems as if the Google can do things in no time at all..' (as my wife said).

" ... a part of Himself exists in this dimension"
This is implying that God needs to be in a different dimension to do so.
Time travel or different time dimensions for God aren't necessary - unless matter and Creation can time travel also. What would be the point in going forward (or back in time) if Creation stays in one time dimension?

And if both God and Creation time travel together, whats the point - why can't God just change or do what He plans to do 'right now'. He doesn't need to 'see' or have the future different - if He's in control now...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Others may believe God also has the power to exist in some outside dimension where our time moves super fast from his perspective while we experience time normally. Five of our years of our time could be like 5 minutes from his perspective (when a part of Himself exists in this dimension). But what about the other part? The part of God that is ever active and presently involved in our creation? Does this make sense in light of what we see in Scripture? (from OP)

The theory you questioned/stated in your OP above states that "... our time moves super fast from his perspective (when a part of Himself exists in this dimension)"
This is implying that God needs to be in a different dimension to do so. But a different dimension is not necessary.
"from his perspective" It might 'seem' that time changes speed, but rather this theory should note; that 'God' can move, or move 'things' slow or fast (micro or macro) relative to our speed - but time itself doesn't need to speed up or slow down. God Himself can simply move or think fast or slow - this is all that is necessary to make it 'seem' that time slows or speeds up (we all experience this, sometimes when we are working, sleeping, relaxing, time doesn't change - but it seems to have moved slow or fast)
For example; God is doing something right now, right? Isn't it true that God do ten zillion things in one second, while we do one?
Yet doing ten zillion things won't tire or wear God down right? So God does not feel like it took Him along time - 'one day is as a thousand and one thousand as a day'
Our computers and Google seem to do just that - it seems as if the Google can do things in no time at all..' (as my wife said).

Time travel/different time dimensions for God aren't necessary - unless matter and Creation can time travel also. What would be the point in going forward (or back in time) if Creation stays in one time dimension?

And if both God and Creation time travel together, whats the point - why can't God just change or do what He plans to do 'right now'. He doesn't need to 'see' or have the future different - if He's in control anyways...

I actually agree. While GOD certainly has power to exist in all points in time, I do not think He does so because like you said, He is in control of the now (anyways). The theory of GOD existing outside of our time dimension is merely a theory proposed by those who are influenced by the philosophies of Plato, Aristotle, and time travel fiction. But yes, I agree with you. Well said.

Happy Thanksgiving!
And may God bless you this fine day as we give thanks for God's unspeakable gift (Jesus Christ) (See: 2 Corinthians 9:15).

 

[SkyWriting]

Jesus died on the cross for our sins and it was not an illusion or some form of unreality. That was very real. If it was not real, then sin is not real, and redemption is not real, etc. Just because something solid is matter out of a form of different energy does not make thing any less real (if that thing is created by GOD). In the Matrix, ... .... ... ... ... with truth that is taught in the Bible.

Sure thing. I didn't mean to offend.

Jesus Turns Water into Wine at the Wedding in Cana 2:1-11
2 Jesus Heals an Official's Son at Capernaum in Galilee 4:43-54
3 Jesus Drives Out an Evil Spirit From a Man in Capernaum 1:21-27 4:31-36
4 Jesus Heals Peter's Mother-in-Law Sick With Fever 8:14-15 1:29-31 4:38-39
5 Jesus Heals Many Sick and Oppressed at Evening 8:16-17 1:32-34 4:40-41
6 First Miraculous Catch of Fish on the Lake of Gennesaret 5:1-11
7 Jesus Cleanses a Man With Leprosy 8:1-4 1:40-45 5:12-14
8 Jesus Heals a Centurion's Paralyzed Servant in Capernaum 8:5-13 7:1-10
9 Jesus Heals a Paralytic Who Was Let Down From the Roof 9:1-8 2:1-12 5:17-26
10 Jesus Heals a Man's Withered Hand on the Sabbath 12:9-14 3:1-6 6:6-11
11 Jesus Raises a Widow's Son From the Dead in Nain 7:11-17
12 Jesus Calms a Storm on the Sea 8:23-27 4:35-41 8:22-25
13 Jesus Casts Demons into a Herd of Pigs 8:28-33 5:1-20 8:26-39
14 Jesus Heals a Woman in the Crowd With an Issue of Blood 9:20-22 5:25-34 8:42-48
15 Jesus Raises Jairus' Daughter Back to Life 9:18,
23-26 5:21-24,
35-43 8:40-42,
49-56
16 Jesus Heals Two Blind Men 9:27-31
17 Jesus Heals a Man Who Was Unable to Speak 9:32-34
18 Jesus Heals an Invalid at Bethesda 5:1-15
19 Jesus Feeds 5,000 Plus Women and Children 14:13-21 6:30-44 9:10-17 6:1-15
20 Jesus Walks on Water 14:22-33 6:45-52 6:16-21
21 Jesus Heals Many Sick in Gennesaret as They Touch His Garment 14:34-36 6:53-56
22 Jesus Heals a Gentile Woman's Demon-Possessed Daughter 15:21-28 7:24-30
23 Jesus Heals a Deaf and Dumb Man 7:31-37
24 Jesus Feeds 4,000 Plus Women and Children 15:32-39 8:1-13
25 Jesus Heals a Blind Man at Bethsaida 8:22-26
26 Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind by Spitting in His Eyes 9:1-12
27 Jesus Heals a Boy With an Unclean Spirit 17:14-20 9:14-29 9:37-43
28 Miraculous Temple Tax in a Fish's Mouth 17:24-27
29 Jesus Heals a Blind, Mute Demoniac 12:22-23 11:14-23
30 Jesus Heals a Woman Who Had Been Crippled for 18 Years 13:10-17
31 Jesus Heals a Man With Dropsy on the Sabbath 14:1-6
32 Jesus Cleanses Ten Lepers on the Way to Jerusalem 17:11-19
33 Jesus Raises Lazarus from the Dead in Bethany 11:1-45
34 Jesus Restores Sight to Bartimaeus in Jericho 20:29-34 10:46-52 18:35-43
35 Jesus Withers the Fig Tree on the Road From Bethany 21:18:22 11:12-14
36 Jesus Heals a Servant's Severed Ear While He Is Being Arrested 22:50-51
37 The Second Miraculous Catch of Fish at the Sea of Tiberias

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Are you saying that heaven as a "place" predates the existence of God? Or that heaven is uncreated, like the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are uncreated?

That information has not been revealed to us, so there is no way of knowing the origin of Heaven. However that is not the topic of this thread. The discussion is whether God exists at all points of time at once. My view is that He does not. The book of Revelation shows that Heaven is a real place outside of our created universe, it is where the throne of God is. It shows God living and operating in His own version of time, which may be different from ours only in terms of measurement. It shows a series of events in which God, the angels, and the glorified souls are involved. It shows that there is a past, present, and future in Heaven. The evidence of Scripture shows fairly conclusively that God does not dwell at all points of time simultaneously. The concept is merely a science fantasy fable cooked up by some plonker philosopher who lacked basic language comprehension skills to be able to see clearly that the Bible shows God interacting with our past, present, and future, and that our past is His, our present is His, and our future will be His as well.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sure thing. I didn't mean to offend.

Jesus Turns Water into Wine at the Wedding in Cana 2:1-11
2 Jesus Heals an Official's Son at Capernaum in Galilee 4:43-54
3 Jesus Drives Out an Evil Spirit From a Man in Capernaum 1:21-27 4:31-36
4 Jesus Heals Peter's Mother-in-Law Sick With Fever 8:14-15 1:29-31 4:38-39
5 Jesus Heals Many Sick and Oppressed at Evening 8:16-17 1:32-34 4:40-41
6 First Miraculous Catch of Fish on the Lake of Gennesaret 5:1-11
7 Jesus Cleanses a Man With Leprosy 8:1-4 1:40-45 5:12-14
8 Jesus Heals a Centurion's Paralyzed Servant in Capernaum 8:5-13 7:1-10
9 Jesus Heals a Paralytic Who Was Let Down From the Roof 9:1-8 2:1-12 5:17-26
10 Jesus Heals a Man's Withered Hand on the Sabbath 12:9-14 3:1-6 6:6-11
11 Jesus Raises a Widow's Son From the Dead in Nain 7:11-17
12 Jesus Calms a Storm on the Sea 8:23-27 4:35-41 8:22-25
13 Jesus Casts Demons into a Herd of Pigs 8:28-33 5:1-20 8:26-39
14 Jesus Heals a Woman in the Crowd With an Issue of Blood 9:20-22 5:25-34 8:42-48
15 Jesus Raises Jairus' Daughter Back to Life 9:18,
23-26 5:21-24,
35-43 8:40-42,
49-56
16 Jesus Heals Two Blind Men 9:27-31
17 Jesus Heals a Man Who Was Unable to Speak 9:32-34
18 Jesus Heals an Invalid at Bethesda 5:1-15
19 Jesus Feeds 5,000 Plus Women and Children 14:13-21 6:30-44 9:10-17 6:1-15
20 Jesus Walks on Water 14:22-33 6:45-52 6:16-21
21 Jesus Heals Many Sick in Gennesaret as They Touch His Garment 14:34-36 6:53-56
22 Jesus Heals a Gentile Woman's Demon-Possessed Daughter 15:21-28 7:24-30
23 Jesus Heals a Deaf and Dumb Man 7:31-37
24 Jesus Feeds 4,000 Plus Women and Children 15:32-39 8:1-13
25 Jesus Heals a Blind Man at Bethsaida 8:22-26
26 Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind by Spitting in His Eyes 9:1-12
27 Jesus Heals a Boy With an Unclean Spirit 17:14-20 9:14-29 9:37-43
28 Miraculous Temple Tax in a Fish's Mouth 17:24-27
29 Jesus Heals a Blind, Mute Demoniac 12:22-23 11:14-23
30 Jesus Heals a Woman Who Had Been Crippled for 18 Years 13:10-17
31 Jesus Heals a Man With Dropsy on the Sabbath 14:1-6
32 Jesus Cleanses Ten Lepers on the Way to Jerusalem 17:11-19
33 Jesus Raises Lazarus from the Dead in Bethany 11:1-45
34 Jesus Restores Sight to Bartimaeus in Jericho 20:29-34 10:46-52 18:35-43
35 Jesus Withers the Fig Tree on the Road From Bethany 21:18:22 11:12-14
36 Jesus Heals a Servant's Severed Ear While He Is Being Arrested 22:50-51
37 The Second Miraculous Catch of Fish at the Sea of Tiberias

Yes, I am 100% aware that Jesus does miracles. These miracles are very real and not an illusion (If you are still suggesting that our reality is an illusion when it clearly is not). GOD has the capacity to control and go outside the bounds of the normal operations of His creation in how it normally runs. Jesus's miracles do not mean this reality is an illusion. It just means that GOD is in control of His creation.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, I am 100% aware that Jesus does miracles. These miracles are very real and not an illusion (If you are still suggesting that our reality is an illusion when it clearly is not). GOD has the capacity to control and go outside the bounds of the normal operations of His creation in how it normally runs. Jesus's miracles do not mean this reality is an illusion. It just means that GOD is in control of His creation.

And He controls our reality. Thanks!

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, I am 100% aware that Jesus does miracles. ...

Good. Complaint closed.

 

[ToBeLoved]

So do you believe God exists in some kind of future timeline (Whereby He already experienced our future) and we are now just reliving that experience?

Read what I wrote again. I said nothing that resembles what you wrote.

Please be respectful enough to read what is actually written without adding your own biases onto what I wrote.

I do take time to think and write these posts out.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Read what I wrote again. I said nothing that resembles what you wrote.

Please be respectful enough to read what is actually written without adding your own biases onto what I wrote.

I do take time to think and write these posts out.

Your post was not really about participating in the thread topic. I am not interested in discussing something off topic with you here. Hence, why I asked you the question so as to redirect you back to the topic discussion. Are you going to answer the question and participate in the thread? Or are you just looking to disrupt the topic discussion here?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Good. Complaint closed.

That is called taking my words out of context. I pointed out that miracles are not proof that time or this reality is an illusion.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And He controls our reality. Thanks!

Before you said this reality is an illusion. So you are saying that means it is not reality or real then. But our universe is real.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Your post was not really about participating in the thread topic. I am not interested in discussing something off topic with you here. Hence, why I asked you the question so as to redirect you back to the topic discussion. Are you going to answer the question and participate in the thread? Or are you just looking to disrupt the topic discussion here?

I was on topic.

It’s a holiday. Don’t be so rude.

I think I’ll stay on the thread. Kthxbai

 

[Blade]

I think time is like a line... and He is out side.. so.. He is NOW in the past.. and HE is NOW and He is also NOW in the future. I heard one preacher say.. KNOWING it was not written and was only putting it out there.. that what GOD really show'd Moshe(Moses).. well if you really search it was not "Gods back side" ..any way this preacher said.. he believed that MAYBE what God show'd him was.. when Jesus went up and transfiguration? Where Moses stepped out? Well when Moses came back.. He had to have this head covered.. for he lit up like a light bulb.

Not saying I believe that ...but.. I do like it.. kinda really makes you THINK about TIME..where God is out side of time.

 

[RDKirk]

That information has not been revealed to us, so there is no way of knowing the origin of Heaven. However that is not the topic of this thread. The discussion is whether God exists at all points of time at once. My view is that He does not. The book of Revelation shows that Heaven is a real place outside of our created universe, it is where the throne of God is. It shows God living and operating in His own version of time, which may be different from ours only in terms of measurement. It shows a series of events in which God, the angels, and the glorified souls are involved. It shows that there is a past, present, and future in Heaven. The evidence of Scripture shows fairly conclusively that God does not dwell at all points of time simultaneously. The concept is merely a science fantasy fable cooked up by some plonker philosopher who lacked basic language comprehension skills to be able to see clearly that the Bible shows God interacting with our past, present, and future, and that our past is His, our present is His, and our future will be His as well.

Colossians 1 tells me that heaven is created. An uncreated heaven causes all kinds of problems with the Trinity itself. It essentially makes heaven a fourth Person.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Colossians 1 tells me that heaven is created. An uncreated heaven causes all kinds of problems with the Trinity itself. It essentially makes heaven a fourth Person.

The New Testament Greek word for Heaven is paradeisos. The word in Colossians 1 for "heavens" is οὐρανοῖς (ouranois). It is the ouranois heavens that is described as created in Colossians 1. When Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in Paradise, the word is, again, Παραδείσῳ (Paradeiso).

 

[RDKirk]

The New Testament Greek word for Heaven is paradeisos. The word in Colossians 1 for "heavens" is οὐρανοῖς (ouranois). It is the ouranois heavens that is described as created in Colossians 1. When Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in Paradise, the word is, again, Παραδείσῳ (Paradeiso).

And you still have a problem with a fourth uncreated entity intruding on the Trinity.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

And you still have a problem with a fourth uncreated entity intruding on the Trinity.

I don't understand how you can think that. There is a place called Paradise where the throne of God is. I don't know if it is created or not. God has not shared that information with us.

Anyhow, that is not the topic of this thread is it?

If Paradise or Heaven is where God's throne is and where He is situated and it has a past present and future, then there is no such thing as God existing at all points of time. There is a past, present and potential future in Paradise, which exists in eternity. If we don't know its origin, we do know that it will have no end.

Jesus is now seated at the right hand of God, so if God lives in the ever present (at all points of time) so does Jesus right now. But then, only the Father knows when Jesus will come again, so that is in Christ's future as well as the Father's. If Jesus lives in the ever present, then it makes no sense that He doesn't know when He is coming again. But He doesn't, so He does not live in an ever-present existence, but has a past, present and future in Paradise where He is right now.

The more I examine the issue the more I see that it is absolute nonsense brought out of idiotic thinking that God exists at all points of time at once.

 

[SkyWriting]

Before you said this reality is an illusion. So that means it is not reality or real then. But our universe is real.

Our universe is real.