Global Warming?

[cavell]

20,000 scientists, of whom about 2,700 of them are physicists,
geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers or
environmental scientists, who are in a position to understand the global
warming issues, have signed the following statement:

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon
dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the
foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and
disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific
evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many
beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the
Earth.1

Christians especially need to be cautious when it comes to the issue of
global warming and other environmental issues. One of the reasons is that
these issues have been hijacked by individuals who desire to change our way
of life, and in particular, the Christian worldview that has guided the
Western Hemisphere. [Columnist] Veith [noted in an article]: "A big part of
the problem is that the current environmental movement has been hijacked by
the far left."2

1. Beisner, E.C., P.K. Driessen, R. McKitrick, and R.W. Spencer, 2006. "A
call to truth, prudence, and protection of the poor: An evangelical response
to global warming," p. 10.

2. Veith, G.E., 2006. To protect and conserve. World 21(20):30.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n2/human-caused-global-warming

 

[Maccie]

That's all right then. Everyone else can go around driving their great big gas guzzlers, while people in Bangladesh are driven from their fields by salty sea seeping in, as sea levels rose

Frankly, anything that AiG publishes I would ignore, or believe the exact opposite.

 

[Macrina]

Christians especially need to be cautious when it comes to the issue of
global warming and other environmental issues. One of the reasons is that
these issues have been hijacked by individuals who desire to change our way
of life, and in particular, the Christian worldview that has guided the
Western Hemisphere.

I am confused. What in the environmental movement threatens the Christian worldview? Not all environmentalists are Christians, of course, but that doesn't mean that they are wrong about environmental issues. I would appreciate some clarity on this.

 

[cavell]

I am confused. What in the environmental movement threatens the Christian worldview? Not all environmentalists are Christians, of course, but that doesn't mean that they are wrong about environmental issues. I would appreciate some clarity on this.

Good point sister.....It crossed my mind also. I will let you know if the answer is forthcoming.

 

[Voegelin]

Primative man has always believed his actions are responsible for the weather.

 

[Maccie]

Primative man has always believed his actions are responsible for the weather.

Yes, I remember you from before on this topic!!

However, we are talking about climate, not weather. And unfortunately, man has got clever enough to have an effect on it. And has been since he learned to burn coal, thus making the cities of the industrial revolution black, flithy and disease-ridden.

 

[jad123]

There is no conclusive evidence of Global Warming. Two years ago the strong hurricane season was blamed on global warming. They predicted a huge season and guess what we got. Nothing. For every piece of evidence for it you can find evidence against it. So we get to listen to all these political evironmentalist preach about it and then hop in the private jet while condeming me for so called big gass guzzling SUV.

 

[Voegelin]

Yes, I remember you from before on this topic!!

However, we are talking about climate, not weather. And unfortunately, man has got clever enough to have an effect on it.

Can't be proved. Too many variables. No way to do double blind studies. Ask ten labs what the average mean temperature will be in five years and you will get ten answers. Too many variables we don't even know exist. Only recently have some deep ocean currents been mapped. And even if we did know man caused a change in the climate, there is no way to know what effect any action to reverse that would have. Any action could make the climate warmer. Or much, much cooler. Or have no effect at all. There is no possible way to predict. Not just on a physical basis but on an economic one. Curtail one economic activity and people will do something else. Perhaps something degrades the environment in ways far worse than anything we do today.

Gore and others are lysenkoists. They aren't scientists. They aren't concerned with the climate. They are using junk science and scare tactics to advance a political agenda.

 

[Ino]

here's a proof of climate change.
in my country, finland, we used to get permanent snow around early november. during the past 10-or-so years, the snow has come later and later, and this year we still have no permanent snow on the ground.
it isn't uncommon to rain in january in finland nowadays, whereas ten years back nobody would have thought it possible.

whether you like it or not, our actions have an effect on the climate. we still can't control the weather, but we are changing the climate..

 

[jad123]

here's a proof of climate change.
in my country, finland, we used to get permanent snow around early november. during the past 10-or-so years, the snow has come later and later, and this year we still have no permanent snow on the ground.
it isn't uncommon to rain in january in finland nowadays, whereas ten years back nobody would have thought it possible.

whether you like it or not, our actions have an effect on the climate. we still can't control the weather, but we are changing the climate..

There are many studies that would show this to be a natural variation in climate.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

I think this is a matter going nowhere. I believe that our actions do make changes in the environment, but we will not be on earth long enough to see drastic consequences. Our lord is coming soon, so let's worry about that.

 

[Voegelin]

here's a proof of climate change.
in my country, finland . . .
whether you like it or not, our actions have an effect on the climate . . .

That isn't science. That is supposition. You provide no proof of causation.

I put up a Christmas tree two weeks ago. Every year I do that it snows within a month. Does putting up the tree make it snow?

 

[Parmenio]

Assume for the moment that global warming is a complete fraud.

Does reducing toxic emissions released by factories and vehicles lose all value?

Does addressing the pollution of our fresh waters suddenly become a moot point?

Drilling in a pristine wildlife reserve suddenly lose any negatives?

My response is, "Who cares?"

I think we should be addressing the immediate destruction wreaked on humanity by humanity with various forms of pollution, global warming being disregarded.

 

[Voegelin]

American is cleaner today than it has been in over 100 years. The rhetoric about the degradation of the environment is bunk.

I live in CT. At the turn of the 19th century, 90% of the state was cleared of trees. Today about that percentage is forested. Never saw a deer or a wild turkey when I was a kid. Today my sister has 34 of the latter nesting in trees around her house (her lot is less than an acre). And we aren't in a rural area. A mile from the beach. I'm 200 yards from the train station on one side and half a mile from I-95 on the other. I have deer eating my vegatable garden in the summer.

All I can figure is those so concerned with the environment live in apartments in NYC or the houses in the LA basin. I've lived in NV, FL, Northern CA, AZ and New Mexico and driven cross country to CT more times than I care to remember and have seen virtually no degradation of the environment over the last 30 years. Even Baltimore, which is filthy, is better than it was in the 1970s.

 

[WesternCanuck]

The facts are, and I know facts to the liberals are like a cruxifix is to a vampire, is that their is simply no evidence that Man has anything to do with Global Warming....and that is attested by thousands and thousands of Scientists from all different backgrounds....

I don't think many people would doubt that we are seeing odd weather.....Very cold in odd places and very warm in odd places....not to mention other extreme weather the world over.....

But to blame this on man is simply a lie.....at this point we simply do not know from the evidence......Perhaps down the road when we have some solid objective evidence, then we can blame it on man......Right now, that evidence is not present.....

However, if you only get your news from the BBC and CNN and actually think the U.N. is honest, then I can see how you will get such a skewed view of things enviornmentally.......

If you step outside that box, you will find interesting things that you never have known before.....something called reality and facts....

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Maybe God is causing the rise in temperature. If you look at many of the miracles in the bible, god used natural abiotic factors to make them. Famine, Pest... Maybe he is causing the temperature to rise to create hurricanes and stuff. We don't know. Our only problem is that we try to understand "why"... Evolution, Big Bang, UFO's. God's foolishness is wiser than man's smartest scientist. We just need to believe and live for jesus. I know I don't all the time but we should.

 

[WesternCanuck]

Crimson Tide, that is another thing that I think about to?? What if all these odd weather occurences are by the hand of the All Mighty???

Certainly I think they would fit in with Biblical prophecy.....

Now to be fair, if the evidence comes in that Man is causing these ecological disasters, I am more then happy to admit I am wrong....indeed, God could use our own destruction of our enviornment to his own Good Ends.....

I am not dogmatic on this issue but the evidence for man causing the odd weather out there doesn't exist right now.......and it is dishonest to say otherwise until we have far more information at our disposal!

 

[Ino]

i guess the problem with christians and climate change is the same as atheists and God.
try to proove either scientifically....
impossible.
that is why plenty of people don't believe in God or global warming.
i believe in both.

 

[Ino]

oh, and even if God and climate change could be scientifically proved, some people would still refuse to believe, that's human nature.

 

[Voegelin]

Check out these satellite images from NASA:

Haze over Eastern China

Ash Plume from Cleveland Volcano (this one is very good)

Haze over Southern China

Haze over Southwestern India

Fires in Victoria, Australia

Haze along the Himalaya

Haze over Korea

Sulfur Dioxide from Rabaul Volcano

Fires on Bornao and Sumatra

Carbon Monoxide Over Eastern Russia

Ash Plume from Karymsky Volcano

Volcanic Activity on Mount Karthala

I could post hundreds of these. Americans buying hybrid cars, Americans cutting back their economic activity isn't going to accomplish a thing.