Global warming and the end

[SG9]

Anything that heals I put down to the grace of God. Years ago, my (then) 5 year old boy had Leukaemia. He survived then, but many of his hospital room mates did not. Today there is a new medicine that almost makes living with blood-cancer like living with HIV. This could be the beginning of a *cure* for all sorts of cancer. Why would you attribute something so wonderful to the AC? Surely, this is something to thank our generous, generous God for! I posted on Facebook recently how much I thank God for smart medical people. I still do. I see no reason to complicate the situation by appealing to the biblical metaphor of an AntiChrist.

Dear sir, there's a difference between the sword and the wound, so to speak. You're saying that we can account all healings as the work of God? I believe that I heard that most Christians say that not all healings are of God; can an average eye know to see any difference in an Organic and a GMF ear of corn or apple or orange, etc? I myself do not know unless there is a label and Satan is not labeling his work, and we can be easily fooled. This is one example.

Your son is a personal experience just as I too have lost many relatives, and one to medical technology and a brother to a drunk driver, and I attribute the cause of it all to be of Satan because I can't see how God wants His children to even suffer such a thing as even having to cry. If it's willed by God then only He might know and not tell us why these things happen to us but I believe that we can know for not to be confused or deceived over this.

Why would you want to allow your son or anyone to continue suffering even the pain of treatment when you and the world can make it all go away by eliminating the cause of it all? Well, it took me a while to realize that it's because the world does not even have the faith of a mustard seed, just as it is written; I learned to trust the Word of God over my emotions and the flesh. Those who save the flesh will lose their souls, that's a tough one for the world to live with when there is no faith.

Now, if you know and trust what Jesus says about healing all of the nations then we can rid all of this and the sufferings and the need for the treatment but rather the world continues in it's sufferings because it lacks faith to be healed and and allow God to do His work. We can chronicle the healing ministries of Christ, the wicked agendas of Satan, the number of prophecies that regard the course of mankind but it is rather simple enough to address the cause of all evil and prevent it all.

Here are 100 verses that can relate to this issue, and it will branch into a number of topics if examined in detail. What Does the Bible Say About Trust No Man?

God says that He will heal us, stop all pain and sufferings and tears but it continues. There are computer viruses and Anti viruses and their creators and producers too; Satan is notorious for creating a disease and then sell us a promising cure for it, which is false hope that never comes. Why do we allow our children to continue getting cancer when we can put an end to all of this?

Why do we place our trust in man that keeps asking for donations to find a positive cure that God has offered right before us and has already done the work on the Cross? Perhaps, it's because the world doesn't regard the crucifixion as anything salvic or significant? Please my friend, don't mix your emotions and your son in this because you then make it personal.

You should know to keep focus on the point and don't be deceived by the deception that hides the real deception that hides the truth. Your son is among the entire world who suffers, and you have a good reason to be angry but please don't blame God for it by confusing identities of the enemy with God.

We are told in too many ways not to trust in ourselves or any man or thing; I just don't know how we can argue with God about what is so clearly written in scriptures and promises. I am truly sorry for your personal experiences just as I am for the entire world, and we can prevent it all with one solution.

I'm sorry for all who suffer, but we can do something about it. Thanks

 

[eclipsenow]

I am given spiritually to discernment, and the things weve uncovered would make most Christians second guess there salvation.

No you're not. The bible tells me so.

What does thoroughly equipped mean?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New International Version)

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. The Greek word used in 2 Timothy 3.17 is exartizmenos. It literally means "to fit out, to prepare perfectly, to complete for a special purpose."

It is used in Acts 21.5:
"When our days there were ended, we departed and went on our journey,"
The word there is "ended" - the day is complete, finished.

So to hear it properly, we need to hear it in the past tense. Scripture has completed and finished the Christian for good works. We have been completely prepared, with everything necessary in the important matters of obedience to God, by God’s breathed out word to us in scripture. Asking for more — especially when the rest of the bible is so silent on “hunches” — lacks faith in this verse.

Other verses that we already *have* all the knowledge we need just need to develop patient trust in our gospel message and obedience to it.

2 Peter 1:3

3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, 11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

 

[SG9]

Your "son",
I just noticed my error, I meant your son, not daughter, I was thinking of a girl in the same situation. I'll go on to read your reply, and perhaps respond later. I didn't plan on being here for long as for the time. Thanks

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

No you're not. The bible tells me so.

Ok. saying im not doesnt change anything, perhaps it puts your mind at ease..

I only know what is revealed to me by Spirit.


You simply have to ask, and it will be done..

Have faith, there are many Jesus Christs one can believe in, but only one that leads to salvation..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

No you're not. The bible tells me so.

What does thoroughly equipped mean?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New International Version)

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. The Greek word used in 2 Timothy 3.17 is exartizmenos. It literally means "to fit out, to prepare perfectly, to complete for a special purpose."

"Exartizo", Strongs G1822; exartizmenos

GNT
2Ti 3:17
ινα αρτιος η ο του θεου ανθρωπος προς παν εργον αγαθον εξηρτισμενος

1568 Bishops Bible
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, instructed vnto all good workes.

1560 Geneva w/apocrypha
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be absolute, being made perfect vnto all good workes.

1611 KJV w/apocrypha
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished vnto all good workes.


This is how you do comparative analysis in scripture..

 

[eclipsenow]

Ok. saying im not doesnt change anything, perhaps it puts your mind at ease..

I only know what is revealed to me by Spirit.


You simply have to ask, and it will be done..

Have faith, there are many Jesus Christs one can believe in, but only one that leads to salvation..

I don't see anywhere in the Scriptures that you get to ask for additional, non-Scripture wisdom. I have EVERYTHING I need in the bible, the verses I listed show that. You can't tell anyone here they have to listen to YOU as some sort of Spirit-filled apostle today because apostles were eyewitnesses of the Lord, and specially breathed on (near the end of John) to receive the Holy Spirit in a special way which authorised them to write scripture. You weren't there. You were not an eye witness. You were not breathed on. You're deluding yourself, and are not an authority I can listen to. It's that simple. Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm not sure you even understand basic theological terms like 'The Sufficiency of Scripture': your most recent posts utterly DEFY this Protestant tradition that started at the Reformation. Basically, who do you think you are?

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

I don't see anywhere in the Scriptures that you get to ask for additional, non-Scripture wisdom. I have EVERYTHING I need in the bible, the verses I listed show that. You can't tell anyone here they have to listen to YOU as some sort of Spirit-filled apostle today because apostles were eyewitnesses of the Lord, and specially breathed on (near the end of John) to receive the Holy Spirit in a special way which authorised them to write scripture. You weren't there. You were not an eye witness. You were not breathed on. You're deluding yourself, and are not an authority I can listen to. It's that simple. Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm not sure you even understand basic theological terms like 'The Sufficiency of Scripture': your most recent posts utterly DEFY this Protestant tradition that started at the Reformation. Basically, who do you think you are?

Yes, stay in your Bible, I agree.. Use the signs of the times to understand prophecy..

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

If you need help with what weve put together let me know..

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


God bless..

 

[eclipsenow]

"Exartizo", Strongs G1822; exartizmenos

GNT
2Ti 3:17
ινα αρτιος η ο του θεου ανθρωπος προς παν εργον αγαθον εξηρτισμενος

1568 Bishops Bible
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, instructed vnto all good workes.

1560 Geneva w/apocrypha
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be absolute, being made perfect vnto all good workes.

1611 KJV w/apocrypha
2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished vnto all good workes.


This is how you do comparative analysis in scripture..

What do you think you've proved? Your precious KJV shows exactly what I referenced. Thoroughly equipped! I have everything I need in God's word. You and I and every other Christian on this planet are all equally under the final authority of God's word. You do NOT have any special extra 'kick': "I am given spiritually to discernment" is just so much hot air.

Try reading this article.
The Sufficiency of Christ and the Sufficiency of Scripture – Kevin DeYoung

 

[eclipsenow]

Dear sir, there's a difference between the sword and the wound, so to speak. You're saying that we can account all healings as the work of God?

I'm saying that I'm grateful for my son's life, grateful for modern medicine that saved my son's life, and grateful to God who gave some people medical smarts that developed chemotherapy to where it is today. If you have some paranoid pseudo-theological conspiracy theory against modern medicine, then take it to another forum because you're out of line bringing it all up here and are boring me. I love the scientific method, started by Christians and largely developed by many Christians. I love the interesting, unfolding of the 'book of God's WORKS' revealed in science almost as much as I love the unfolded and complete 'book of God's WORDS', the bible. You're trying to make God's WORDS fight God's WORKS. Stop it! It's just plain silly. All truth is God's truth. If something is scientifically true, it is not a threat to the bible or Christianity in any way.

God says that He will heal us, stop all pain and sufferings and tears but it continues.

That's because we're not in heaven yet pal!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

What do you think you've proved? Your precious KJV shows exactly what I referenced. Thoroughly equipped! I have everything I need in God's word. You and I and every other Christian on this planet are all equally under the final authority of God's word. You do NOT have any special extra 'kick': "I am given spiritually to discernment" is just so much hot air.

Try reading this article.
The Sufficiency of Christ and the Sufficiency of Scripture – Kevin DeYoung

There are spititual gifts we have, according to Gods Grace.

This is what God has put on my heart.

Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

1Pe 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

My Gift is as follows, you may need to identify yours, for example, your gift could be Faith, or Teacher

Revelation - These gifts reveal something:

• Word of Wisdom - This is supernatural knowledge applied in a godly or correct way. One commentary describes it as "insight into doctrinal truth."
• Word of Knowledge - This is supernatural knowledge of facts and information that can only be revealed by God for the purpose of applying doctrinal truth.
• Discerning of Spirits - This is the supernatural ability to distinguish between spirits such as good and evil, truthful or deceiving, prophetic versus satanic.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

I don't see anywhere in the Scriptures that you get to ask for additional, non-Scripture wisdom.

Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

1Pe 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Please dont confuse me with something I am not..

I am not a prophet, my gift is simply discernment..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Every Christian has a "gift" according to Grace..

We must combine our gifts as a whole to bring understanding...

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Here is the full scriptural breakdown of spiritual gifts, I hope this helps you understand what your own gift may be.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Eclipsenow, this website will help you to understand your gift, that given in Spirit, you might develop and realize into fruition..

Spiritual Gifts - What are Spiritual Gifts?

 

[SG9]

I'm saying that I'm grateful for my son's life, grateful for modern medicine that saved my son's life, and grateful to God who gave some people medical smarts that developed chemotherapy to where it is today. If you have some paranoid pseudo-theological conspiracy theory against modern medicine, then take it to another forum because you're out of line bringing it all up here and are boring me. I love the scientific method, started by Christians and largely developed by many Christians. I love the interesting, unfolding of the 'book of God's WORKS' revealed in science almost as much as I love the unfolded and complete 'book of God's WORDS', the bible. You're trying to make God's WORDS fight God's WORKS. Stop it! It's just plain silly. All truth is God's truth. If something is scientifically true, it is not a threat to the bible or Christianity in any way.



That's because we're not in heaven yet pal!

Great! You do understand my point. This said, look around you! Thanks

 

[eclipsenow]

Eclipsenow, this website will help you to understand your gift, that given in Spirit, you might develop and realize into fruition..

Spiritual Gifts - What are Spiritual Gifts?

Having Charismatic parents, I know all about a 'Charismatic' understanding of the gifts. It's wrong. Try proving exactly what that 'gift' is from the bible alone! You can't. You'll just end up resorting to what this Charismatic 'expert' said or that cultural church practice is. Ironically, without knowing it, you'll have just inherited a church tradition for your understanding, but rather than a tradition of bells & smells, as in a Catholic church, your tradition is one of handing oneself over to subjective experiences of various kinds. All under the pretext of using your 'gift'. All without justifying that particular use of that particular 'gift' from the scriptures themselves! Show me where 'discerning the spirits' means you are 'gifted' to attack climate science? What subjective, gut-feeling hogwash! You're justifying your own political stance more than climate science. Something about climate science unnerves you, and so you lash out with your 'gift'. Add a few scriptures ABOUT gifts, without proving any correct actual USAGE of the gifts, and you've proved to yourself (and no-one else!) that you're right.

But here's the thing. What if someone else turned around and said their use of exactly the same gift 'discerned' that global warming was REAL, and that we had to act with a real sense of urgency about it? Is God contradicting himself? Of course not! You'll respond that his use of the gift is faulty.

Here's the rub: prove it!

It reminds me of all those charismatic meetings I've been to where someone sings in tongues for 10 minutes and then someone 'interprets' the tongues with a 30 second sound-bite. Woah, all those tongues sure are an inefficient way to communicate! But not only that, no one 'tests' them. So, here's what I propose. Record the tongues, and then play them back to your top 10 'interpreters' on 10 different, isolated, controlled environments. Without any prepping or letting your 'interpreters' speak to each other, see if you get ONE interpretation that sounds like another!

The whole charismatic understanding of gifts is traditionally inherited subjectivised bunkum. The safest way to approach the gifts is to try and justify their practice from other scriptures describing their use. And just as we do not have eye-witnesses of the Lord's death & resurrection today (the Apostles), I'm pretty sure we do not have OT styled prophets today either. Remember: one of the lists of gifts to the church includes the Apostles, and we most definitely do not have any left according to the Acts description of them! So the gifts can be what God has ever given the church, not necessarily what God continues to give the church.

Gifts of healing? What, did someone get sick and then get better again after prayer and medicine? In that case my son was 'healed' and experienced a gift of healing. There was no magic voodoo laying on of hands or such spookiness, but good state-of-the-art scientific medicine that SG9 seems so afraid of!

My trust is not in your subjective experience of the bible or the world at large, but in the bible itself. You are still claiming some kind of magical 'discernment' that is above and beyond what bible scholars are able to get from studying the bible, but it seems to me the overall emphasis of the New Testament is that every Christian is to study and test everything in life according to the Scriptures.

The scriptures are God's word, and help us approach real life issues compassionately. Therefore, my understanding of climate science is that it is REAL, it is SERIOUS, and we are OBLIGATED to do what we can to wean our nations off coal, oil, and gas. It's that simple.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Having Charismatic parents, I know all about a 'Charismatic' understanding of the gifts. It's wrong. Try proving exactly what that 'gift' is from the bible alone! You can't. You'll just end up resorting to what this Charismatic 'expert' said or that cultural church practice is. Ironically, without knowing it, you'll have just inherited a church tradition for your understanding, but rather than a tradition of bells & smells, as in a Catholic church, your tradition is one of handing oneself over to subjective experiences of various kinds. All under the pretext of using your 'gift'. All without justifying that particular use of that particular 'gift' from the scriptures themselves! Show me where 'discerning the spirits' means you are 'gifted' to attack climate science? What subjective, gut-feeling hogwash! You're justifying your own political stance more than climate science. Something about climate science unnerves you, and so you lash out with your 'gift'. Add a few scriptures ABOUT gifts, without proving any correct actual USAGE of the gifts, and you've proved to yourself (and no-one else!) that you're right.

But here's the thing. What if someone else turned around and said their use of exactly the same gift 'discerned' that global warming was REAL, and that we had to act with a real sense of urgency about it? Is God contradicting himself? Of course not! You'll respond that his use of the gift is faulty.

Here's the rub: prove it!

It reminds me of all those charismatic meetings I've been to where someone sings in tongues for 10 minutes and then someone 'interprets' the tongues with a 30 second sound-bite. Woah, all those tongues sure are an inefficient way to communicate! But not only that, no one 'tests' them. So, here's what I propose. Record the tongues, and then play them back to your top 10 'interpreters' on 10 different, isolated, controlled environments. Without any prepping or letting your 'interpreters' speak to each other, see if you get ONE interpretation that sounds like another!

The whole charismatic understanding of gifts is traditionally inherited subjectivised bunkum. The safest way to approach the gifts is to try and justify their practice from other scriptures describing their use. And just as we do not have eye-witnesses of the Lord's death & resurrection today (the Apostles), I'm pretty sure we do not have OT styled prophets today either. Remember: one of the lists of gifts to the church includes the Apostles, and we most definitely do not have any left according to the Acts description of them! So the gifts can be what God has ever given the church, not necessarily what God continues to give the church.

Gifts of healing? What, did someone get sick and then get better again after prayer and medicine? In that case my son was 'healed' and experienced a gift of healing. There was no magic voodoo laying on of hands or such spookiness, but good state-of-the-art scientific medicine that SG9 seems so afraid of!

My trust is not in your subjective experience of the bible or the world at large, but in the bible itself. You are still claiming some kind of magical 'discernment' that is above and beyond what bible scholars are able to get from studying the bible, but it seems to me the overall emphasis of the New Testament is that every Christian is to study and test everything in life according to the Scriptures.

The scriptures are God's word, and help us approach real life issues compassionately. Therefore, my understanding of climate science is that it is REAL, it is SERIOUS, and we are OBLIGATED to do what we can to wean our nations off coal, oil, and gas. It's that simple.

Lol, if your understanding of spiritual gifts isnt affirmed by scripture, well friend, I dont know what will.

Regarding healing, enough people with the spirit can remove any sickness..

I havent had a single person in my current family get very sick or die, so ive not resorted to healing yet, but I have witnessed people speaking in tongues and its quite an experience!!!

What did Jesus say??
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Everything Christ did, we are capable of, but peoples lack of faith blocks this..

Study these verses again, surely you can pinpoint your gift.

My mothers gift is Faith.
My wifes gift is Giving.
My gift is discernment.
My Pastors gift is teacher.

What is your gift?? If I go by Spirit, Id say your gift is Faith, which is a pretty powerful gift to have..


1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.