Global warming and the end

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Do you believe in washing your hands because of germs, in using microwave ovens, in using computers, in the moon landing? These are all products of science. Saying you don't believing in warming, but in the bible instead, is like saying you don't believe in brushing your teeth or in Pluto or in Mars, because you believe the bible instead. It's setting up a false dichotomy. It's a non-issue. There is no conflict.

No I pretty much believe in what the Bible says over science, Im a Christian.

Much of the science in the world is confirmed by the Bible.

The erroneous claims made by Science that contradict the Bible are not for me.

You can dwell on them, Ill meditate on the Word, given by God that we may know truth.


Brushing my teeth and washing my hands are independent of salvation, I dont put much thought into them.

 

[eclipsenow]

No I pretty much believe in what the Bible says over science, Im a Christian.

Much of the science in the world is confirmed by the Bible.

The erroneous claims made by Science that contradict the Bible are not for me.

You can dwell on them, Ill meditate on the Word, given by God that we may know truth.


Brushing my teeth and washing my hands are independent of salvation, I dont put much thought into them.

So how does the idea of global warming threaten your salvation, exactly?

 

[eclipsenow]

So you can bring up the NIV first, and talk about movies, and Im derailing your thread?

A quick, funny little diversion is different to a long, painful, distraction. There's a difference.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

So how does the idea of global warming threaten your salvation, exactly?

By claiming that humans have influenced the weather.

If you dont believe that God controls the weather, then we simply share different beliefs.

My understanding is that God is in control over his creation, call me crazy..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

A quick, funny little diversion is different to a long, painful, distraction. There's a difference.

What are you talking about?

So its ok for you to bring up the NIV and then accuse me of derailing your thread?

 

[eclipsenow]

By claiming that humans have influenced the weather.

If you dont believe that God controls the weather, then we simply share different beliefs.

My understanding is that God is in control over his creation, call me crazy..

God's in control of this world, but that didn't stop us sinning.
God's in control of the earth, but that didn't stop us wiping out the wooly mammoths, countless birds and animals and lizards and frogs and other flora and fauna.

PS: Even if I'm wrong, beleiving in global warming hardly threatens my salvation. I'm saved because I trust in Jesus death and resurrection and kingship, not because of my beliefs about a certain scientific issue.

PPS: There's a difference between climate and weather. Please use a dictionary.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

God's in control of this world, but that didn't stop us sinning.
God's in control of the earth, but that didn't stop us wiping out the wooly mammoths, countless birds and animals and lizards and frogs and other flora and fauna.

PS: Even if I'm wrong, beleiving in global warming hardly threatens my salvation. I'm saved because I trust in Jesus death and resurrection and kingship, not because of my beliefs about a certain scientific issue.

PPS: There's a difference between climate and weather. Please use a dictionary.

You are the one pressing the issue, lol..

Im just saying that you are putting stock into worldly deception..

Come back to the objective teachings of the Holy Word..

If we have to debate its validity, then its a subjective observation..

God gives us to spirit that we might be free of such things..

God only works in objectivity, humans do not...

 

[eclipsenow]

You are the one pressing the issue, lol..

Im just saying that you are putting stock into worldly deception..

Come back to the objective teachings of the Holy Word..

If we have to debate its validity, then its a subjective observation..

God gives us to spirit that we might be free of such things..

God only works in objectivity, humans do not...

Can you answer the questions I asked? Once again ...

Assertion...is not...evidence...data...or even a coherent argument. I could as easily say...

Stop rejoicing in a spirit of deception, embrace the truth of climate change, and come into the light of God's word and scientific truth.

For all truth is God's truth: whether the truth of God's word, or the truth of his works (his world, and everything in it).

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Can you answer the questions I asked? Once again ...

Assertion...is not...evidence...data...or even a coherent argument. I could as easily say...

Stop rejoicing in a spirit of deception, embrace the truth of climate change, and come into the light of God's word and scientific truth.

For all truth is God's truth: whether the truth of God's word, or the truth of his works (his world, and everything in it).

Do you see how you are simply using me to validate your own questions?

You see, when someone is an antagonist, they usually will argue to prove themselves wrong..

You arent convinced you are wrong, and thats okay.. Its not my job to tell you what to think, you are indeed sovereign in that regard..

If you ask me questions unbecoming of a Christian, then I have to politely decline..

Ive made peace with God and our Lord Jesus Christ already, I dont have the same questions you do anymore..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Can you answer the questions I asked? Once again ...

Assertion...is not...evidence...data...or even a coherent argument. I could as easily say...

You didnt ask me a single question, see your post below...

God's in control of this world, but that didn't stop us sinning.
God's in control of the earth, but that didn't stop us wiping out the wooly mammoths, countless birds and animals and lizards and frogs and other flora and fauna.

PS: Even if I'm wrong, beleiving in global warming hardly threatens my salvation. I'm saved because I trust in Jesus death and resurrection and kingship, not because of my beliefs about a certain scientific issue.

PPS: There's a difference between climate and weather. Please use a dictionary.

 

[eclipsenow]

God is in control?

Yes. He is sovereign. But in his sovereignty He also let us sin, and this brought all manner of consequences to us and to this creation. (This world He put us in to enjoy and manage, not use up and trash).

Some of the ways we've changed the world (as *if* we were in control of the world, ignoring God's sovereignty and ethics in how we use and abuse this world).
1. Ate of the forbidden fruit and were cast out of paradise and alienated from nature. There's a big change! The FALL!

2. Forced hundreds of species into the oblivion of extinction. Our children cannot see or use or steward those creatures for their children: they're gone!

3. Dammed so many rivers and re-diverted the flow of so much freshwater that only half the world's rivers actually reach the ocean.

4. Converted 10% of the world's land surface to agriculture, and 30% for grazing, meaning we utilise about 40% of the land surface of the ocean.

5. Paved over and ploughed up most of the useful arable land on earth so that future generations will have to learn to do soil-less farming.

6. Radically changed the chemical composition of the atmosphere by increasing the carbon concentration from 270ppm to 400ppm.

7. Used up all the light, easy, 'sweet oil' so that our children can only use the harder to extract, dirtier, sour and unconventional oils.

8. Overfished the world's oceans so that fish populations have crashed by 90%.

9. Chopped down the majority of the world's forests.

10. Increased desertification massively around the world.

11. Increased erosion.

12. Created chemical pollution that bio-accumulate up through the food chain.

13. Created the 5 oceanic garbage patches.

14. Created acid rain (in developing nations) but at least we fixed that in developed nations. Smog, industrial strength coal particulate pollution that kills tens of thousands of people a year, etc.

But don't worry. God is in control! Indeed he is. I could go through and list His control of the sea and sky and birds and animals and wind and waves and forests and sand. But we're MUCKING IT ALL UP ANYWAY!

Hey, that murder that occurred in your nation recently? God was also in control when that bullet pierced the victim's brain, or that knife went through their lungs and heart and they bled to death. God was in control of the laws of physics and chemistry in those events. But he didn't stop them! Romans 1 explains that he gives us over to the consequences of our actions. If we mess it up, we get to live in the mess. So yes, God is in control of the weather, and no Christian climatologist would deny that. He is also in control of gunpowder and knives. It would seem to me that more thought is required in how you phrase things, because otherwise 'God is in control' could be used to deny the existence of *any* dark thing you don't like. "There can't be knives or guns that kill, because God is in control." What broken logic! What living in denial! It's the same as your denial of climate change.

 

[eclipsenow]

If you ask me questions unbecoming of a Christian, then I have to politely decline..

What are you talking about? You're a bit confused.

Ive made peace with God and our Lord Jesus Christ already, I dont have the same questions you do anymore..

I'm glad you're saved, and I was never rude enough to suggest that you were not.

Oh, so because you're saved you're now an expert on EVERYTHING and don't need to question ANYTHING? Tell me, how much heat can CO2 trap? How do they demonstrate this? When did science discover this... 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago? What laws of physics are involved? What kind of tests do they do?

(I'm not even a scientist and I can list some of these things because I bother to read!)

Indeed, which Christians promoted a scientific understanding of the world? Which Christians were involved in the development of climate science? How many Christians are actually practicing climate science? How many Christian people, who trust in the same Lord and Saviour you do, have you called 'Satanic' because they also accept the laws of physics as demonstrated again and again and again in a physics lab?

 

[Biblewriter]

So how does the idea of global warming threaten your salvation, exactly?

It does not threaten salvation. But we know from the scriptures that the destruction predicted by the AGW alarmists will not take place, for that would make it impossible for the events prophesied in the Bible to take place.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

What are you talking about? You're a bit confused.



I'm glad you're saved, and I was never rude enough to suggest that you were not.

Oh, so because you're saved you're now an expert on EVERYTHING and don't need to question ANYTHING? Tell me, how much heat can CO2 trap? How do they demonstrate this? When did science discover this... 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago? What laws of physics are involved? What kind of tests do they do?

(I'm not even a scientist and I can list some of these things because I bother to read!)

Indeed, which Christians promoted a scientific understanding of the world? Which Christians were involved in the development of climate science? How many Christians are actually practicing climate science? How many Christian people, who trust in the same Lord and Saviour you do, have you called 'Satanic' because they also accept the laws of physics as demonstrated again and again and again in a physics lab?

"Scientifically" speaking I am a plant biologist... Physics is great, and I employ the various maths when needed, however, quantum physics has shown us that the smaller we break things up, the more chaos ensues as a result.

Ultimately a human only needs a few things to survive, and I fear that the health risks associated with todays modern time are a direct result of the increase in technology, eg: Processed foods, industrial waste and by products, cosmetics, ect..

We need science to counter the various diseases we've brought on ourselves..

Still, as a thinker, Ive come to understand that the spiritual world does affect the nature of this world, and while science is great, its completely unnecessary...

We missed the point...

Global warming is a great topic for the prescriptive news crowd, but I dont buy it with the new eyes given to me by God, I see through it..

 

[eclipsenow]

It does not threaten salvation. But we know from the scriptures that the destruction predicted by the AGW alarmists will not take place, for that would make it impossible for the events prophesied in the Bible to take place.

As an Amil that sees your 'prophecies' as symbolic theological descriptions of life this side of Eternity, that's not really a problem for me. The man of lawlessness = a type describing the morals of hell and heartbeat of immorality, the book of Revelation = symbolic descriptions of a number of theological issues, including anti-Christian governments we'll suffer from time to time, (North Korea, etc), false values of the world, false security offered by beast states, false 'security' of materialism and greed (666 and all that). There's so much biblical symbolism John uses to describe the tribulation HE already shared with his Christian brothers 2000 years ago (Rev 1) that I'm amazed anyone reads Revelation as a future timetable.

In other words, the only real predictions we have are that the Lord will return (which is a basic gospel promise), one day, but it will be like a thief in the night. Rather than chaos and conflict and huge natural disasters, people will be saying 'Peace, peace'. The END will come suddenly and swiftly and unexpectedly. It could be in 5 seconds, 5 years, or 20,000 years. We just don't know. God has his own timing on these things, and has explicitly told us we will not know when.

No, bad reading of the Scriptures will not suffice as an excuse to side-step our moral obligation to write to our governments and DEMAND that they clean up their energy game and make coal pay the REAL cost to society of their foul products. We're killing too many people by burning coal, and messing up the agricultural systems and sea levels of our unborn generations ahead. What right do we have to do this? It's immoral! It's unchristian!

 

[eclipsenow]

"Scientifically" speaking I am a plant biologist... Physics is great, and I employ the various maths when needed, however, quantum physics has shown us that the smaller we break things up, the more chaos ensues as a result.

Ultimately a human only needs a few things to survive, and I fear that the health risks associated with todays modern time are a direct result of the increase in technology, eg: Processed foods, industrial waste and by products, cosmetics, ect..

We need science to counter the various diseases we've brought on ourselves..

Still, as a thinker, Ive come to understand that the spiritual world does affect the nature of this world, and while science is great, its completely unnecessary...

We missed the point...

Global warming is a great topic for the prescriptive news crowd, but I dont buy it with the new eyes given to me by God, I see through it..

I'm glad you are a plant biologist and seem to have some respect for science. However, I'm mystified by about half of what you write, and baffled by your inability to engage in a real conversation about this. You have not answered the points I raised in my last few posts and did not answer any of my questions: I even used question marks and everything. Depending on how the next few posts go, I might put you on my ignore list until a few years have passed and your Christianity has matured somewhat. Right now your 'handling' of the bible on real life issues is woeful.

 

[SG9]

Dear CP, I thank you for this post as it agrees with many of the same things that I've been stressing in various posts around the forum. Perhaps, I described the quantum physics affect without realizing it? This I described in my thread about how technology is creating digital minds. My point is that when men get deep into debates and discussions over religion or politics or money or anything which is dear to their heart they essentially find irreconcilable differences and it increases with further debate and it mushrooms out of control; this affects the mind and it's evolution process into hostile beings, and it brings the increase of wars, and rumors of wars as propaganda also increases. The quantum physics is interesting and could be what I have worded here. Even from what little that I know about it, this seems as a good example of quantum physics, perhaps? Now scroll down to the blue....

"Scientifically" speaking I am a plant biologist... Physics is great, and I employ the various maths when needed, however, quantum physics has shown us that the smaller we break things up, the more chaos ensues as a result.

Ultimately a human only needs a few things to survive, and I fear that the health risks associated with todays modern time are a direct result of the increase in technology, eg: Processed foods, industrial waste and by products, cosmetics, ect.. You have a good spark going here and if you conisder the things that I wrote about this might offer fuel for a flame. Continuing from your 'etc', I'd like to add, and sort of rearrange the items in your picture a bit in order to illustrate my point. You are principally correct about man's needs and causes of our illnesses; I also see further into your idea and I think of the possible counterfeits that can parallel this and I see the Healing powers of Christ missing from the world. Now, scroll down....

We need science to counter the various diseases we've brought on ourselves..

Still, as a thinker, Ive come to understand that the spiritual world does affect the nature of this world, and while science is great, its completely unnecessary...

We missed the point...

Global warming is a great topic for the prescriptive news crowd, but I dont buy it with the new eyes given to me by God, I see through it..

The more that I consider this POV as you described I considered the insignificance of the flesh in comparison to the spirit. We can't save the soul if we save the flesh, and with this idea I wonder about the medical technologies and doctors and now Obamacare and what possible motive, and parallel might it have if coming from an AC POV? So, I think in context with the other facts about the days of Noah, I suspect that all of man's ways are not agreeable with the Healing Ministry and powers of Christ. He gave this gift and instructions to the Apostles and they did heal and performed healings without drugs that the witch doctors could not without alchemy of any sort. This medical science today seems to be of AC knowledge and the power that he gives man to heal without the divine healing power of God; instead, electricity gives life and power to men's inventions to save the flesh. Now, instead of being limited to primitive alchemy we have advanced to the space-age medical techology and science.

Now, as you said, we don't need science but might I suggest that it's an excellent witness? I'll touch on this from time to time.

Science can be beautiful and rewarding if used for the use of Godly instructions so that we might bring up our children with more knowledge of God, and less secular knowledge. Godly knowledge has other values that other education systems do not, and one on God's excellent teachers in this field is Mother Nature and there we will find a science that is not like this of man's but of another heavenly knowledge of all that has been Created and made into life.

Science can see the natural wonders of God but it requires Imagination to see the Spiritual Wonders of God.

Will Robinson, over and out!

Great post CP, and thanks again

 

[eclipsenow]

Dear CP, I thank you for this post as it agrees with many of the same things that I've been stressing in various posts around the forum. Perhaps, I described the quantum physics affect without realizing it? This I described in my thread about how technology is creating digital minds. My point is that when men get deep into debates and discussions over religion or politics or money or anything which is dear to their heart they essentially find irreconcilable differences and it increases with further debate and it mushrooms out of control; this affects the mind and it's evolution process into hostile beings, and it brings the increase of wars, and rumors of wars as propaganda also increases. The quantum physics is interesting and could be what I have worded here. Even from what little that I know about it, this seems as a good example of quantum physics, perhaps? Now scroll down to the blue....



The more that I consider this POV as you described I considered the insignificance of the flesh in comparison to the spirit. We can't save the soul if we save the flesh, and with this idea I wonder about the medical technologies and doctors and now Obamacare and what possible motive, and parallel might it have if coming from an AC POV? So, I think in context with the other facts about the days of Noah, I suspect that all of man's ways are not agreeable with the Healing Ministry and powers of Christ. He gave this gift and instructions to the Apostles and they did heal and performed healings without drugs that the witch doctors could not without alchemy of any sort. This medical science today seems to be of AC knowledge and the power that he gives man to heal without the divine healing power of God; instead, electricity gives life and power to men's inventions to save the flesh. Now, instead of being limited to primitive alchemy we have advanced to the space-age medical techology and science.

Now, as you said, we don't need science but might I suggest that it's an excellent witness? I'll touch on this from time to time.

Science can be beautiful and rewarding if used for the use of Godly instructions so that we might bring up our children with more knowledge of God, and less secular knowledge. Godly knowledge has other values that other education systems do not, and one on God's excellent teachers in this field is Mother Nature and there we will find a science that is not like this of man's but of another heavenly knowledge of all that has been Created and made into life.

Science can see the natural wonders of God but it requires Imagination to see the Spiritual Wonders of God.

Will Robinson, over and out!

Great post CP, and thanks again

Anything that heals I put down to the grace of God. Years ago, my (then) 5 year old boy had Leukaemia. He survived then, but many of his hospital room mates did not. Today there is a new medicine that almost makes living with blood-cancer like living with HIV. This could be the beginning of a *cure* for all sorts of cancer. Why would you attribute something so wonderful to the AC? Surely, this is something to thank our generous, generous God for! I posted on Facebook recently how much I thank God for smart medical people. I still do. I see no reason to complicate the situation by appealing to the biblical metaphor of an AntiChrist.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Anything that heals I put down to the grace of God. Years ago, my (then) 5 year old boy had Leukaemia. He survived then, but many of his hospital room mates did not. Today there is a new medicine that almost makes living with blood-cancer like living with HIV. This could be the beginning of a *cure* for all sorts of cancer. Why would you attribute something so wonderful to the AC? Surely, this is something to thank our generous, generous God for! I posted on Facebook recently how much I thank God for smart medical people. I still do. I see no reason to complicate the situation by appealing to the biblical metaphor of an AntiChrist.

Regardless of our differences, I am sympathetic to what you went through with your son, I hope all is well and I will pray for good health for your family.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Dear CP, I thank you for this post as it agrees with many of the same things that I've been stressing in various posts around the forum. Perhaps, I described the quantum physics affect without realizing it? This I described in my thread about how technology is creating digital minds. My point is that when men get deep into debates and discussions over religion or politics or money or anything which is dear to their heart they essentially find irreconcilable differences and it increases with further debate and it mushrooms out of control; this affects the mind and it's evolution process into hostile beings, and it brings the increase of wars, and rumors of wars as propaganda also increases. The quantum physics is interesting and could be what I have worded here. Even from what little that I know about it, this seems as a good example of quantum physics, perhaps? Now scroll down to the blue....



The more that I consider this POV as you described I considered the insignificance of the flesh in comparison to the spirit. We can't save the soul if we save the flesh, and with this idea I wonder about the medical technologies and doctors and now Obamacare and what possible motive, and parallel might it have if coming from an AC POV? So, I think in context with the other facts about the days of Noah, I suspect that all of man's ways are not agreeable with the Healing Ministry and powers of Christ. He gave this gift and instructions to the Apostles and they did heal and performed healings without drugs that the witch doctors could not without alchemy of any sort. This medical science today seems to be of AC knowledge and the power that he gives man to heal without the divine healing power of God; instead, electricity gives life and power to men's inventions to save the flesh. Now, instead of being limited to primitive alchemy we have advanced to the space-age medical techology and science.

Now, as you said, we don't need science but might I suggest that it's an excellent witness? I'll touch on this from time to time.

Science can be beautiful and rewarding if used for the use of Godly instructions so that we might bring up our children with more knowledge of God, and less secular knowledge. Godly knowledge has other values that other education systems do not, and one on God's excellent teachers in this field is Mother Nature and there we will find a science that is not like this of man's but of another heavenly knowledge of all that has been Created and made into life.

Science can see the natural wonders of God but it requires Imagination to see the Spiritual Wonders of God.

Will Robinson, over and out!

Great post CP, and thanks again

People honestly just forgot the power of Christ and what he told us...

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

I am given spiritually to discernment, and the things weve uncovered would make most Christians second guess there salvation.

We simply dont have much time..

The world leaders went to africa to talk under the guise of Nelson Mandelas funeral.

China and Russia are amassing military assets at unprecedented rates..

The US is the current world super power, the next super power that is going to emerge over the next few years cannot coexist with the US. It simply cannot..


Nations are about to rise against nations.. You guys will see what I am talking about, I really take no pleasure in this..