Global Rain

[Dathen]

Okay....Well still, that's important to pray about too.... even more so than actual rain..... To be honest I didn't actually watch the video, just read peoples post. So I probably shouldn't of posted. Sorry......

Feels

 

[woobadooba]

Okay....Well still, that's important to pray about too.... even more so than actual rain..... To be honest I didn't actually watch the video, just read peoples post. So I probably shouldn't of posted. Sorry......

Feels

That's OK.

Your posts are welcome. They are encouraging!

It is good to see such passion for God.

 

[Dathen]

Thanks woobs. I've got some time now, so I'm going to the site now to have a look.

 

[Dathen]

It's a great idea..in my opinion. i think I might send it to my churchs pastor. I think I know, but can someone just elaborate on latter rain, so I don't sound stupid.

 

[Dathen]

Sorry to post so many in a row ,but are any of you'se actually considering getting envolved in this, or are you just, going, umm that's a good idea and sitting back...

 

[capnator]

Sorry to post so many in a row ,but are any of you'se actually considering getting envolved in this, or are you just, going, umm that's a good idea and sitting back...

Yes I am getting involved with it... Ideally we would be already doing these things in our lives.

The basic format of Global rain is

1. Revival of the midweek prayer meeting
2. Anointing of the heads of housholds to clean out all the sins in their lives... The putting away of sin by the people
3. Leading up to the 10 days of prayer everyone seeking God earnestly in prayer each day.
4. 10 days of prayer every night from 7pm - 8pm with hopefully all adventists participating around the globe, each night with a focus for our prayers. Theme sheets are found here http://operationglobalrain.webdevde...ent&task=category&sectionid=1&id=30&Itemid=75
5. Each member seeks to win 7 people to the Lord in the next 12 months. This is the culminating theme for the tenth night (Friday night).

 

[OntheDL]

But corporate prayer is a good place to start.

I think it is best to leave this decision up to God.

I think you are reading more into this than what is necessary.

Would you be concerned if they had chosen the date 6-6-6 last year?

Can you provide me with the quote that directly says this?

When Sunday law is put into effect, where do you think the corporate structure is going to be?

"Men in responsible positions will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but from the sacred desk, will urge upon the people the observance of the first day of the week, pleading tradition and custom in behalf of this man-made institution. They will point to calamities on land and sea--to the storms of wind, the floods, the earthquakes, the destruction by fire--as judgments indicating God's displeasure because sunday is not sacredly observed. These calamities will increase more and more, one disaster will follow close upon the heels of another; and those who make void the law of God will point to the few who are keeping the Sabbath of the fourth commandment as the ones who are bringing wrath upon the world. This falsehood is Satan's device that he may ensnare the unwary." {ST, January 17, 1884 par. 12}

"Men have confederated to oppose the Lord of hosts. These confederacies will continue until Christ shall leave His place of intercession before the mercy-seat, and shall put on the garments of vengeance. Satanic agencies are in every city, busily organizing into parties those opposed to the law of God. Professed saints and avowed unbelievers take their stand with these parties. This is no time for the people of God to be weaklings. We cannot afford to be off our guard for a moment."--Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 42. (1904) {CL 10.1}

The remnant will be just what they are as described in Rev. 14:12

Did they tell you this?

By the way, what's wrong with celebrating the victory that Jesus Christ wrought for us all?

Should we be in mourning?

If you consider the subtle things GC has done: changing our theology in the '60s with compromises made to Walter Martin, teaching NLP and ocultism in our schools to the new pastors, making secrete deals with the vatican, bringing in celebration movement into our worships... it's not hard to think this effort is disingenuous.

I only gave my opinion on it. I would not participate. But I didn't stop anyone who plans to.

 

[OntheDL]

My understanding is that this did not originate with GC. It is a call for revival by prayer and putting away of sin by the people in an organised manner and petitioning God for the outpouring of the spirit.

It's still an event sponsored and promoted by GC, isn't it?

Maybe we shouldn't participate because it doesnt fit a theoretical model of how things are "supposed" to happen? Look and see the pharisees already tried that the first time around.

It is not claimed that this will bring about the latter rain, the spirit is not under our control, rather than condemning such a movement why not encourage people to truely put away sins in their lives and earnestly seek God with their brothers and sisters.

The name 'Operation Global Rain' and praying 10 days certainly have the appearance of asking for the latter rain.

If GC truly desires the whole church to receive the spirit outpour, it should start to preach the 3AM. Instead, Vicarius Filii Dei is taken out from the new Global Evangelism presentation, the 2nd and 3rd angels' message is never preached from the pulpit.

I think most adventists will not participate in this either because they are too "enlightened" or their hearts are too hard but what a great opportunity for churches to get together and seek God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength.

It's great if it gets people to pray and consecrate themselves. But don't use global rain as the name and 10 days of prayer format.

 

[woobadooba]

Would you be concerned if they had chosen the date 6-6-6 last year?

I see that you have over 5000 CF blessings. When you came to have 666 CF blessings, did you count it as a curse, or a blessing?

In other words, does the figure of 666 necessarily constitute something evil? For example, does it then mean that everything that was done on June 6 of 2006, was necessarily evil because the numbers appear as 6/06/06?

I think you are reading too much into this.

Truth is, you can get all caught up in rendering assumed conclusions about numbers, or you can stick to the facts.

What are the facts?

The facts are that these people want to foster a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ. Period.

It doesn't matter what day or time they choose to do this either. What matters is that they have chosen to do it. And just as they have chosen to do this, you can choose to either continue criticizing them for making this choice, or you can join them in their effort to get closer to God.

When Sunday law is put into effect, where do you think the corporate structure is going to be?

If, and when this happens, you can ask me this question again, and I will answer it.

Furthermore, we are not talking about what constitutes Sabbath observance here. We are talking about people who have a desire to unite with each other in the name of Jesus Christ.

By the way, neither one of the quotes that you provided us with specify that the 'leader' of the GC will encourage people to apostatize.

And even if you could provide us with such a quote, that wouldn't absolutely guarantee that such a thing would happen. Time will tell.

 

[OntheDL]

I see that you have over 5000 CF blessings. When you came to have 666 CF blessings, did you count it as a curse, or a blessing?

In other words, does the figure of 666 necessarily constitute something evil? For example, does it then mean that everything that was done on June 6 of 2006, was necessarily evil because the numbers appear as 6/06/06?

I think you are reading too much into this.

Truth is, you can get all caught up in rendering assumed conclusions about numbers, or you can stick to the facts.

What are the facts?

The facts are that these people want to foster a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ. Period.

It doesn't matter what day or time they choose to do this either. What matters is that they have chosen to do it. And just as they have chosen to do this, you can choose to either continue criticizing them for making this choice, or you can join them in their effort to get closer to God.

If, and when this happens, you can ask me this question again, and I will answer it.

Furthermore, we are not talking about what constitutes Sabbath observance here. We are talking about people who have a desire to unite with each other in the name of Jesus Christ.

By the way, neither one of the quotes that you provided us with specify that the 'leader' of the GC will encourage people to apostatize.

And even if you could provide us with such a quote, that wouldn't absolutely guarantee that such a thing would happen. Time will tell.

"men in responsible positions...from sacred desk..." You don't think that can apply to GC leaders?

I didn't intend to argue with anyone over this. Just something to think about.

 

[woobadooba]

"men in responsible positions...from sacred desk..." You don't think that can apply to GC leaders?

I didn't intend to argue with anyone over this. Just something to think about.

Does it necessarily have to apply to the GC?

Keep in mind that the SDA Church is not the only place where God ordained leaders can be found.

Are there people people working in the GC that are corrupt? Without a doubt. Are decisions being made in the Church that are not Biblical? Sure thing!

But that doesn't mean the whole system is in error, nor does it mean the GC leader is going to lead the Church into a state of apostasy.

In all honesty, I don't like the GC, because I too feel that they have enforced rules and decisions that are not Biblical on some matters. I think we ought to go back to the way it was during the time of the Apostles. But that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

 

[Endium]

Ok, here is why...

'In one accord'...that's the exact reason it will not happen. The church is not united in the single purpose God ordained her to do: the proclamation of the Three Angels' Message. In reality, the church does not actively preach this message at all. The latter rain is given for those who preach the 3rd angel's message.

The vast majority of the SDAs are not ready to receive the latter rain. Holy spirit can not be given to people who are not consecrated.

In ocultism, the number 6 is synonymous with the number 7. The end date of Global Rain is 7th of July, 07. 777 is used by spiritualists to masquerade 666. Jesus's name in Greek is 888.

GC will not lead the church in preparing for the return of Jesus. On the contrary, the SOP tells us the leader in GC will lead the majority into apostasy, into captivity.

Do you think the church structure will not exist in the end. Only the name Seventh Day Adventist will exist. The remnant scattered across preaching the 3rd angel's message and those who accept and the message will receive the latter rain.

IMO, they are trying to bring pentecostalism and celebration church to the forefront.

It seems that you have something against any major organized event in our church?

Well I do agree that not all SDA's are in one accord or that all are preaching the 3AM. However, the Bible does teach that the wheat is to grow with the tares. Even back in apostle times, not everyone in the church was completely sincere. Either way, I don't see how NOT supporting this event is going to help this situation in any way...

As far as whether the SDA church will last until the end, there is no definite answer that I am aware of. Whether the church lasts into the future or not, however, shouldn't cause us to look at it negatively now at this point in time. The future is the future. Right now is right now. And right now there are many SDA's coming together to pray.

 

[OntheDL]

It seems that you have something against any major organized event in our church?

Actually I do. If you look at the track record of GC in the recent decades, it's not hard to see who's agenda has been carried out. I don't doubt there is God's people in the leadership. But the top of the structure has become catholic.

Well I do agree that not all SDA's are in one accord or that all are preaching the 3AM. However, the Bible does teach that the wheat is to grow with the tares. Even back in apostle times, not everyone in the church was completely sincere.

Not so. The apostles were in one accord. That's how the former rain fell.

As far as whether the SDA church will last until the end, there is no definite answer that I am aware of. Whether the church lasts into the future or not, however, shouldn't cause us to look at it negatively now at this point in time. The future is the future. Right now is right now. And right now there are many SDA's coming together to pray.

Whether the corporate structure survives is irrelevant. A denomination that does not the work God ordained it to do will fall way side. Adventism is a movement. Only the remnant who hold fast to that calling shall be saved.

 

[Endium]

Not so. The apostles were in one accord. That's how the former rain fell.

I didn't mean to imply that the apostles themselves were not completely sincere, but that there were those who claimed to be followers of Christ during apostolic times who were not sincere. Those who were praying in the upper room were on one accord, but this does not speak for those who were not in that room.

My point is, what if those who are participating in operation global rain are all sincere? Does it then matter if there are those who are not participating, yet still SDA, who are not doing what God wants them to do?

I don't think we can judge a movement of people within the church based on the state of all the people in the church.

 

[JonMiller]

I wonder why people are trying to purify the church here. Didn't God say He would do that at His return?

JM

 

[OntheDL]

I wonder why people are trying to purify the church here. Didn't God say He would do that at His return?

JM

Where does the bible say that?

Does the bride have to be pure/clean before she meets the groom or after?

 

[JonMiller]

Parable of the field with both tares and grain.

JM

 

[capnator]

I wonder why people are trying to purify the church here. Didn't God say He would do that at His return?

JM

I'm not really sure what you are getting at by that post.

Are you saying No point collectively praying and searching our lives for anything that cuts against what God would have us doing?? Because he'll do that when he returns?

Global rain is all about getting the wheat to Grow!!

 

[OntheDL]

Parable of the field with both tares and grain.

JM

Right, but the tares are never part of the true church. The true church, the wheat turns golden beforethe harvest came.

 

[JonMiller]

Which is why we should be spreading the word, and not focusing on making ourselves perfect.

Many people seem to be in favor of getting rid of people from the church who aren't perfect, this strikes me as from the devil. I know that this global rain isn't about that, but still... I think that the main issue with the church today is hypocrisy and lack of life. To fix it, we need to get rid of the doctrines of men and focus on saving people for the kingdom. Too many people are self focused instead, and I include with that focusing on finding and removing their own sins. If we do God's will, He will change us.

I support the idea of time of prayer, and going out to win others. There seems to be a fair bit of focus on purifying ourselves, which is OK. It is purifying the church that I have an issue with (which I thought someone posted about).

JM