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Global Cooling?

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More cold weather. I, along with many climatologist forsee more cooler temperatures from now 'til next winter and beyond.

No sunspots equal cold weather,thats just the way it is.


http://www.wnewsj.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=156&ArticleID=165173&TM=25683.46

http://www.madison.com/tct/business/281512

Much cooler today with brisk north winds, sunny and warmer on Wednesday

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By Tom Cylke
Sun news service
April 15, 2008
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The springtime weather roller coaster pattern this week will keep Tahoe area residents somewhat motion sick with changes.

Colder air dropping in behind last nights cold front will drop daytime temperatures into the lower to mid 40s today around the lake and in the upper 20s at the 8,000 foot resort level.

Skies are expected to trend from mostly cloudy early this morning to partly cloudy in the afternoon.

Brisk north to northwest winds 10 to 20 mph today will make it feel more like February especially after basking in the upper 60s and lower 70s this past weekend. Lows tonight are forecast to drop in the upper teens to lower 20s under clearing skies and diminishing winds.

Look for sunny skies on Wednesday as high pressure rebuilds back into the area. Highs on Wednesday are expected to reach the lower to mid 50s around the lake with light northeast winds.

Don't expect the nice weather to last as computer forecast models are showing a large and cold low pressure system dropping into Northern California and the Great Basin this weekend. Stay tuned to see how this winter weather system may affect your weekend travel and activities.

— Meteorologist Tom Cylke can be reached at tcylke@charter.net.



:wave: Rember to bundle up brrrrrrrrr.
 
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peer review = moron #1 writes a paper and morons #s 2, 3, 4, and 5 all agree to it's validity. What's the point to that? Sounds like C.S. Lewis's characters the duffers from, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Whenever one of them would make a ridiculous statement all of the rest of them, being of like mind, would praise it as the smartest thing they had ever heard, until another ridiculous statement was made, which would then become the new smartest thing they had ever heard.
 
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Whereas guy writing editorial in newspaper = absolute truth.

peer review = moron #1 writes a paper and morons #s 2, 3, 4, and 5 all agree to it's validity. What's the point to that? Sounds like C.S. Lewis's characters the duffers from, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Whenever one of them would make a ridiculous statement all of the rest of them, being of like mind, would praise it as the smartest thing they had ever heard, until another ridiculous statement was made, which would then become the new smartest thing they had ever heard.
 
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Chaim you know there never was any good hard evidence to prove GHG theory. Give it up here and now you know its the sun. Come on you will feel better, turn to the other side;we are happy and have a bright future.

COME ON, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.

:cool:

:bow: CO2
 
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Well here it is April 19 and its snowing here on the Oregon coast. That has got to be a record of some kind. Yes we can see that when the sun shuts down the globe gets cool.

PS Just wait til next winter.


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peer review = moron #1 writes a paper and morons #s 2, 3, 4, and 5 all agree to it's validity. What's the point to that? Sounds like C.S. Lewis's characters the duffers from, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Whenever one of them would make a ridiculous statement all of the rest of them, being of like mind, would praise it as the smartest thing they had ever heard, until another ridiculous statement was made, which would then become the new smartest thing they had ever heard.
this just reads like grasping at straws. You aren't a flat-earther by any chance?
 
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Look out de window , walk out de door, it is cold man cold.

:wave: better go get that coat on man, this is climate not weather. It is because of the sunspot cycle , it is broken , cause the sun shut down, can you hear me, the sun shut down. Keep warm, peace out.
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Changes in the Sun&#8217;s Surface to Bring Next Climate Change
2008 01 13
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Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun&#8217;s surface. The SSRC has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era.

Today, Director of the SSRC, John Casey has reaffirmed earlier research he led that independently discovered the sun&#8217;s changes are the result of a family of cycles that bring about climate shifts from cold climate to warm and back again.

&#8220;We today confirm the recent announcement by NASA that there are historic and important changes taking place on the sun&#8217;s surface. This will have only one outcome - a new climate change is coming that will bring an extended period of deep cold to the planet. This is not however a unique event for the planet although it is critically important news to this and the next generations. It is but the normal sequence of alternating climate changes that has been going on for thousands of years. Further according to our research, this series of solar cycles are so predictable that they can be used to roughly forecast the next series of climate changes many decades in advance. I have verified the accuracy of these cycles&#8217; behavior over the last 1,100 years relative to temperatures on Earth, to well over 90%.&#8221;

As to what these changes are Casey says, &#8220;The sun&#8217;s surface flows have slowed dramatically as NASA has indicated. This process of surface movement, what NASA calls the &#8220;conveyor belt&#8221; essentially sweeps up old sunspots and deposits new ones. NASA&#8217;s studies have found that when the surface movement slows down, sunspot counts drop significantly. All records of sunspot counts and other proxies of solar activity going back 6,000 years clearly validates our own findings that when we have sunspot counts lower then 50 it means only one thing - an intense cold climate, globally. NASA says the solar cycle 25, the one after the next that starts this spring will be at 50 or lower. The general opinion of the SSRC scientists is that it could begin even sooner within 3 years with the next solar cycle 24. What we are saying today is that my own research and that of the other scientists at the SSRC verifies that NASA is right about one thing &#8211; a solar cycle of 50 or lower is headed our way. With this next solar minimum predicted by NASA, what I call a &#8220;solar hibernation,&#8221; the SSRC forecasts a much colder Earth just as it has transpired before for thousands of years. If NASA is the more accurate on the schedule, then we may see even warmer temperatures before the bottom falls out. If the SSRC and other scientists around the world are correct then we have only a few years to prepare before 20-30 years of lasting and possibly dangerous cold arrive.&#8221;

When asked about what this will mean to the average person on the street, Casey was firm. &#8220;The last time this particular cycle regenerated was over 200 years ago. I call it the &#8220;Bi-Centennial Cycle&#8221; solar cycle. It took place between 1793 and 1830, the so-called Dalton Minimum, a period of extreme cold that resulted in what historian John D. Post called the &#8216;last great subsistence crisis.&#8217; With that cold came massive crops losses, food riots, famine and disease. I believe this next climate change will be much stronger and has the potential to once more cause widespread crop losses globally with the resultant ill effects. The key difference for this next Bi-Centennial Cycle&#8217;s impact versus the last is that we will have over 8 billion mouths to feed in the next coldest years where as we had only 1 billion the last time. Among other effects like social and economic disruption, we are facing the real prospect of the &#8216;perfect storm of global food shortages&#8217; in the next climate change. In answer to the question, everyone on the street will be affected.&#8221;

Given the importance of the next climate change Casey was asked whether the government has been notified. &#8220;Yes, as soon as my research revealed these solar cycles and the prediction of the coming cold era with the next climate change, I notified all the key offices in the Bush administration including both parties in the Senate and House science committees as well as most of the nation&#8217;s media outlets. Unfortunately, because of the intensity of coverage of the UN IPCC and man made global warming during 2007, the full story about climate change is very slow in getting told. These changes in the sun have begun. They are unstoppable. With the word finally starting to get out about the next climate change, hopefully we will have time to prepare. Right now, the newly organized SSRC is the leading independent research center in the US and possibly worldwide, that is focused on the next climate change. Some of the world&#8217;s brightest scientists, also experts in solar physics and the next climate change have joined with me. In the meantime we will do our best to spread the word along with NASA and others who can see what is about to take place for the Earth&#8217;s climate. Soon, I believe this will be recognized as the most important climate story of this century.&#8221;

More information on the Space and Science Research Center is available at: www.spaceandscience.net

The previous NASA announcement was made at: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm

Article from: http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

From this article I can say we have a climate affected by the sun,not weather.

Global temperatures 'to decrease'


By Roger Harrabin
BBC News environment analyst




Global temperatures for 2008 will be slightly cooler than last year as a result of the cold La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
But this year's temperatures would still be way above the average - and we would soon exceed the record year of 1998 because of global warming induced by greenhouse gases.
The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any particular year is larger than these small temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.
Rises 'stalled'

LA NINA KEY FACTS
La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased
Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event than the stronger El Nino


La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round the world.
El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.
It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.
Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a degree.
This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
Watching trends
A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.

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Animation of El Nino and La Nina effects

But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.
"La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."

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China suffered from heavy snow in January

Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century. Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."



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Jan to Mar 2008 Global Warming does not seem to exist in the USA.
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/mar/01_03_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif


Does this look like a small weather change,no this is our new climate. People, the sun currents have slowed down drastically. Perhaps because of over activity of the sun in the '90's. The 1977-1998 global warming cycle began abruptly at the beginning of sun cycle 21. So it's the sun not CO2 causing warming,everybody get that right ?

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Sunday, April 06, 2008
Could 2008 Mauna Loa CO2 Monthly Maximum Come in Lower than 2007?
By Joseph D’Aleo, CCM
A meteorologist friend has informed me of a comment he has posted on Climate Audit.
Since the beginning of the Mauna Loa data stream in 1958, no annual mean period has been observed with a CO2 concentration lower than the previous year although it came close in the mid 1960s. There is a chance that this record may be broken in this year or next. In just a few instances has the annual maximum in CO2 been lower than the prior max. Since we are just two months away from the normal annual maximum which is currently well below last year’s max (see here) this will likely be one of those exceptional years. None of the AGW crowd has yet suggested that man-made CO2 has declined or that the trend in land use vis-a-vis CO2 has reversed.
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Black line represents seasonally adjusted values, red line the monthly observed values. See larger image here
I think that the anomalous decline in the slope of the Mauna Loa CO2 curve during this past boreal winter which is normally a season in which CO2 rises rapidly, is directly tied to the Central Pacific SST. Cooling SSTs raise the oceans’ solubility of CO2 which it then extracts from the atmosphere. In the 50-year history of the Mauna Loa record, the slope of the CO2 curve became more positive during the positive PDO regime, ~1975-2005, which favored warm Tropical SSTs (El Niños) with just a few brief La Ninas. PDO regimes usually last for about 30 years. Now that the PDO has shifted into a negative phase, we should see cooler La Nina patterns becoming more prevalent with fewer and briefer El Nino episodes. The 20th Century contained two positive PDO regimes and one negative one. Little wonder why there was a net rise in Globally averaged temperature during that period. Consistent on-site measurements of CO2 didn’t begin until the latter half of the last negative PDO. Furthermore, should CO2 concentrations at Mauna Loa now show a decline, it would suggest again that CO2 is a lagging indicator, not a leading one.
Skeptics continue to look for (and find) climate components that can be construed as falsifying the alarmist AGW hypotheses. Since the foundation of all of these hypotheses are a steady, if not accelerating, increase in man-made CO2, should we now see a year, just one year, in which total CO2 as observed at Mauna Loa shows a decline from the previous year(s) we may have found a smoking cannon.
[Some AGW proponents will say that the current cooling is not a result of CO2 but can be blamed on La Nina and should be ignored. That’s simple sophistry. La Nina is at least as much a component of the Global climate system as is CO2 and according to AGW alarmists, a CO2 driven warming should precede changes in SST, not follow it.]
Icecap Note: Another poster noted this is the second largest winter decline in the record trailing only 1971/72. Most years the rise from March to May is at least 1 ppm which would mean, we will see a higher max but a year-to-year increase much smaller than recent years.
 
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This is a good thread to bring this up. No news group has taken this up even when they were offered the story http://www.desmogblog.com/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute

Basically, the "500 climate scientists around the world say anthropogenic global warming is a lie" blah blah turned out to be a lie like the one before. When contacted, many scientists on the list were angry that Heartland insititute had falsely used their names and lied about their research. Some scientists named in the list didn't even exist.
 
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Solar Cycle may Lead to Serious Global Cooling

Professor R Timothy Patterson of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Centre stated in an article from The Financial Post on Canada.com that his research into the mud layers on the bottom of certain fjords in British Columbia reveals that solar output is a stronger player in climate change than CO2 and that global cooling is on the way. Patterson found a direct correlation between the changes in mud layers over 5000 years and the solar cycle.
The article states that solar scientists predict that by the year 2020 the sun will be going into its weakest Schwabe Solar Sunspot Cycle in the past two centuries, leading to global cooling.
Make sure to check out the sunspot graph in the middle of the article. Click on it to make it larger.
 
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I don't know much about the source here, but I'm sure this will get some discussion going...



http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm?ag
This follows from global warming. We will experience massive overall precipitation increases as a result of warmer oceans and seas... It likely will not be distributed ideally and large water retention and moving structures will likely need to be created.

If we were serious about stopping the "chicken and egg" problem of vehicle gases, we'd try to switch to electricity as soon as possible, as this is a mature science. I'd think you could do so by distributing the power with an ASTM vehicle power distribution center... (maybe it would have a central ground with a number of plugs in a circle around it, each carrying a certain amperage for charging vehicles as quickly as possible) either at "waysides" across the states or by doing something to "strongly promote" it with gas stations or fast food restaurants etc...
 
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