Global Cooling?

[jiminpa]

Here's Gore's quote: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Source: Snopes, firstmonday.org, salon.com
I challenge you to give me three sources that say anything different.
And I think it's fair to say that he did take that initiative; we say that Eisenhower created the highway system, but we don't interpret that to mean he did all the groundwork; rather, he funded it.

As I said, they buried the original quote, (ala 1984). I remember hearing it though, and he claimed to have invented the internet.

 

[Adivi]

As I said, they buried the original quote, (ala 1984). I remember hearing it though, and he claimed to have invented the internet.

Let's see, three sources vs. one person's totally sourceless claims. Who should we believe?

 

[susanann]

Another ice age , might allow us to take back that nobel prize from Gore. Two or three years without a summer, any summer,, might open the eyes of some people.

 

[Adivi]

Another ice age , might allow us to take back that nobel prize from Gore. Two or three years without a summer, any summer,, might open the eyes of some people.

Actually it'd prove his point. The current theory isn't best described as 'global warming' but as 'anthropogenic (i.e., human-caused) climate change'. It doesn't say that it'll necessarily get warmer, just that the weather is going to become more extreme.

 

[IisJustMe]

Actually it'd prove his point. The current theory isn't best described as 'global warming' but as 'anthropogenic (i.e., human-caused) climate change'. It doesn't say that it'll necessarily get warmer, just that the weather is going to become more extreme.

This post proves some people will rationalize anything to be right. Good grief, have the global warming advocates already forgotten that their principle irrational fear just a year ago was rising ocean levels, flooded coastal cities and the disappearance of Florida? You people really need to get together and get your stories straight.

 

[Adivi]

This post proves some people will rationalize anything to be right. Good grief, have the global warming advocates already forgotten that their principle irrational fear just a year ago was rising ocean levels, flooded coastal cities and the disappearance of Florida? You people really need to get together and get your stories straight.

What the news says is not always what the science that the news reporters are basing it off of says.

 

[IisJustMe]

What the news says is not always what the science that the news reporters are basing it off of says.

It was the "scientists" who were saying that. Again, call a meeting and get your stories straight.

 

[susanann]

Actually it'd prove his point. The current theory isn't best described as 'global warming' but as 'anthropogenic (i.e., human-caused) climate change'.

But he IS wrong.

Any climate change due to human factors, is really due to loss of habitat, cutting down forests, paving over fertile lands, overpopulation, etc. - i.e., the things that Gore ignores.

 

[Greatcloud]

The science on climate change allows for some radical cold weather changes. However these cold weather patterns are supposed to be brief and localized. The cold weather we are seeing now is widespread and global. This does not fit the pattern of AGW,it goes in the opposite direction. What we are seeing is a reversal of about 100 years of warming.

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[Adivi]

It was the "scientists" who were saying that. Again, call a meeting and get your stories straight.

Show me a climatologist saying that Florida would be underwater.

 

[jamesrwright3]

Global cooling is happening ever since I was born since I am so cool

 

[Avatar]

Global cooling is happening ever since I was born since I am so cool

lol

 

[LonesomeTexan]

Save me Al Gore. Save me from Global Warming. Let us bow our heads and pray at the alter of mother earth before Florida is underwater.

 

[Adivi]

Save me Al Gore. Save me from Global Warming. Let us bow our heads and pray at the alter of mother earth before Florida is underwater.

Oh, so we're making straw man attacks now? Let me try!
Conservation! Why should I? Everybody knows that there's an infinite amount of oil buried underneath the earth. You can't make me give up my SUVs or turn off my lights!

 

[Avatar]

Oh, so we're making straw man attacks now? Let me try!
Conservation! Why should I? Everybody knows that there's an infinite amount of oil buried underneath the earth. You can't make me give up my SUVs or turn off my lights!

You can have my SUV when you pry my cold, dead hands off the steering wheel.

My baby, affectionately known as 'The Beast'.

 

[imind]

First off, Al Gore did not invent the internet, and yes he did make the claim, then lied about what he said. The liberal media "buried" the copies of his original claim, and started hammering us with his revised claim. My point, Gore will say anything for a buck, and the gatekeepers will filter it.

lol. yeah, ok.

Of course it's a hoax, just like the imminent new ice-age of my teenage years. And you people are letting them yank you around over the weather, which they have to keep revising. Man-made ice-age, man-made warming, man-made ice-age...

oh please. you can blame the media for that nonsense, not climate scientists. see here, here, and here.

You can claim it is not true all you want. You can cite the minority view as the "consensus" all you want. The fact is, there is no consensus, and the "Al Gore view" is in the minority. Like it or not. As to the science of CO2 long-wave radiant heat absorption, go check out a book not written by an IPCC signatory and get the facts.

so, you provide evidence, your evidence is refuted, and that evidence is refuted just because you say it is. i see how this works now.

One, debating is not allowed on this forum. Two, I've given you at least a dozen links on this and other threads.

all of them refuted.

What goes up, must come down, spinning wheel, gotta go round!

What we see is that while CO2 is skyrocketing, the average temperature is dropping fast. It was 1996 when it was this cold before,we lost all that warming in one shot.

care to provide a link?

This post proves some people will rationalize anything to be right. Good grief, have the global warming advocates already forgotten that their principle irrational fear just a year ago was rising ocean levels, flooded coastal cities and the disappearance of Florida? You people really need to get together and get your stories straight.

enough of the dishonesty. nowhere has any scientist limited the manifestations of GW to the list above. extreme variations were predicted.

Save me Al Gore. Save me from Global Warming. Let us bow our heads and pray at the alter of mother earth before Florida is underwater.

yet another insightful post from lonesometexan. add it to the list...

 

[Greatcloud]

http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Acti...hers+Predict+Another+Ice+Age/article10630.htm​

above data is HadCRUT3 column 2 which can be found here​

A twelve-month long drop in world temperatures erases global warming​

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
Meteorologist Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.​

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.​

http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_temperatures_drop_precipitously.htm​

There imind, here is some proof to back me up. You may not have heard of the current cooling trend,well now you have. Its real and its going to get worse,stay warm.​

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[imind]

There imind, here is some proof to back me up. You may not have heard of the current cooling trend,well now you have. Its real and its going to get worse,stay warm.

um, no, its not...

from a link within your article...

UPDATE AND CAVEAT:

update #1
The website DailyTech has an article citing this blog entry as a reference, and their story got picked up by the Drudge report, resulting in a wide distribution. In the DailyTech article there is a paragraph:

&#8220;Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C &#8212; a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it&#8217;s the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.&#8221;

I wish to state for the record, that this statement is not mine: &#8220;&#8211;a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years&#8221;

There has been no &#8220;erasure&#8221;. This is an anomaly with a large magnitude, and it coincides with other anecdotal weather evidence. It is curious, it is unusual, it is large, it is unexpected, but it does not &#8220;erase&#8221; anything. I suggested a correction to DailyTech and they have graciously complied.

link

and a link to update #2 provides...

By Dr. John R. Christy.

I have been flooded this week with calls and e-mail messages concerning a story that has appeared on various Internet sites, in which the claim is made that cooling global temperatures over the past twelve months in some way negate or eliminate any global warming that might have happened over the past 100 years.

&#8220;Here is my perspective on this issue: Twelve months of data does not make a trend, especially in a system as complex and slow moving as global climate, and even more so when the cause for that short-term cooling is as reasonably well understood and well documented as a switch from a minor El Nino Pacific Ocean warming in January 2007 to the La Nina cooling event now taking place.

&#8220;The 0.59 C drop we have seen in the past 12 months is unusual, but not unprecedented; April 1998 to April 1999 saw a 0.71 C fall. The long-term climate trend from November 1978 through (and including) January 2008 continues to show a modest warming at the rate of about 0.14 C (0.25 degrees F) per decade.

&#8220;One cool year does not erase decades of climate data, nor does it more than minimally change the long-term climate trend. Long-term climate change is just that &#8220;long term&#8221; and 12 months of data are little more than a blip on the screen.&#8221;

link

the above is followed by a note from anthony watts himself...

Note from Anthony: When the DailyTech first posted this story and referenced my blog as the source of th compilation, without ever interviewing me or asking me a single question, I told them immediately they had it wrong. Shortly after that I published this &#8221;Update and Caveat&#8221; (below) on the original post since they were slow to react. All told it took over 8 hours for Dailytech to make a change to the wording, but by then the genie was out of the bottle.

so the 'proof' was an article that had pulled from a blog without even contacting the author. in the future, let us try to cite only scientific papers that have withstood peer review.

 

[Greatcloud]

above data is HadCRUT3 column 2 which can be found here You never commented on this chart surely it is proof for you. It is plain to see even if you don't want to.

Climate Models by M Hollinshead



NASA's work in this area
In red, David Hathaway's predictions for the next two solar cycles and, in pink, Mausumi Dikpati's prediction for cycle 24. Solar Cycle 25 peaking around 2022 could be one of the weakest in centuries. see Press Release here

The solar cycle #24 is late in coming and won't be here til late winter 2008 or 2009 this will cause a cold winter. Solar cycle 25 is generaly predicted to be one of the weakest in centuries. Also TSI is continuing to drop from a high in the '90's these two events combined will cause more cooling for some time.

http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/category/solar-cycle-24/

You see here how TSI is going down this is one of the factors in the cooling and it will continue for some time.



Here is a legitimate scientist predicting more cooling, much more cooling.

MosNews

Global cooling could develop on Earth in 50 years and have serious consequences before it is replaced by a period of warming in the early 22nd century, a Russian Academy of Sciences&#8217; astronomical observatory&#8217;s report says, the RIA Novosti news agency reported Friday. Environmentalists and scientists warn not about the dangers of global warming provoked by man&#8217;s detrimental effect on the planet&#8217;s climate, but global cooling. Though never widely supported, it is a theory postulating an overwhelming cooling of the Earth which could involve glaciation. &#8220;On the basis of our [solar emission] research, we developed a scenario of a global cooling of the Earth&#8217;s climate by the middle of this century and the beginning of a regular 200-year-long cycle of the climate&#8217;s global warming at the start of the 22nd century,&#8221;&#65533;? said the head of the space research sector. Khabibullo Abdusamatov said he and his colleagues had concluded that a period of global cooling similar to one seen in the late 17th century &#8220;&#65533;&#8364;? when canals froze in the Netherlands and people had to leave their dwellings in Greenland &#8220;&#65533;&#8364;? could start in 2012-2015 and reach its peak in 2055-2060. He said he believed the future climate change would have very serious consequences and that authorities should start preparing for them today because &#8220;climate cooling is connected with changing temperatures, especially for northern countries.&#8221;&#65533;? &#8220;The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times,&#8221;&#65533;? he said, referring to an international treaty on climate change targeting greenhouse gas emissions. &#8220;The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth&#8217;s global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol,&#8221;&#65533;? Abdusamatov said. From http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/25/globalcooling.shtml

An article from a different group of scientists supporting this idea will come out in Astrophysical Letters sometime later this year.

I can't believe imind you are questioning this cooling trend, you should do some research.

 

[susanann]