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I don't know much about the source here, but I'm sure this will get some discussion going...

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm?ag
 
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The linked "news story" is a blog, and the effort at science in it is abysmal. Nor, of course, does the author apear to have the vaguest idea what the difference between weather and climate might be.

Alot of news media's now have blogs though...I think this throws people off because most of us think a blog is just someone 'out there' typing their own thoughts on things. If you click on the link in the story: Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. It goes to another story (same blog) about "researchers predict another ice age" When I did a search for this under 'news' it did come up.

Now I can't say I have actually heard this on the mainstream media though...so I guess we will have to wait and see.

wiggsfly...the term 'global warming' is misleading and should have never been called that to start with...it should have been called climate change instead. Here is an article that explains it here:

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/wclisci0.htm
Understanding climate change

Global warming is shorthand for "climate change," and the term is correct if you realize that it's referring to the average temperature of the Earth over years and decades; not to the temperatures at particular times and places.

"Climate change" is a much better term because much more than warming is involved, although the changes first begin with the globe's average warming. This average warming can cause changes in patterns of rainfall. It can lead to more snow piling up in places such as Antarctica and Greenland, and it can even include some parts of the Earth growing colder.

Scientists have managed to figure out a general, fairly detailed picture of the Earth's climate going back more than 100,000 years, before the beginning of the last ice age.

This history shows that temperatures of different parts of the Earth, and even the Earth's average temperature, have swung widely in the past into and out of ice ages, long before humans could have affected the climate.

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This history shows that temperatures of different parts of the Earth, and even the Earth's average temperature, have swung widely in the past into and out of ice ages, long before humans could have affected the climate.
Still, climate scientists say the evidence is strong that humans are responsible for much of the warming since early in the 20th century.
There's no doubt that the amount of carbon dioxide in the air -- a "greenhouse" gas -- has increased. This increase in a greenhouse gas is bound to "force" the climate in one direction or another with a general warming being one of the effects.
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Alot of news media's now have blogs though...I think this throws people off because most of us think a blog is just someone 'out there' typing their own thoughts on things. If you click on the link in the story: Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. It goes to another story (same blog) about "researchers predict another ice age" When I did a search for this under 'news' it did come up.

Now I can't say I have actually heard this on the mainstream media though...so I guess we will have to wait and see.

wiggsfly...the term 'global warming' is misleading and should have never been called that to start with...it should have been called climate change instead. Here is an article that explains it here:

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/wclisci0.htm
Understanding climate change

Global warming is shorthand for "climate change," and the term is correct if you realize that it's referring to the average temperature of the Earth over years and decades; not to the temperatures at particular times and places.

"Climate change" is a much better term because much more than warming is involved, although the changes first begin with the globe's average warming. This average warming can cause changes in patterns of rainfall. It can lead to more snow piling up in places such as Antarctica and Greenland, and it can even include some parts of the Earth growing colder.

Scientists have managed to figure out a general, fairly detailed picture of the Earth's climate going back more than 100,000 years, before the beginning of the last ice age.

This history shows that temperatures of different parts of the Earth, and even the Earth's average temperature, have swung widely in the past into and out of ice ages, long before humans could have affected the climate.

God bless
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More snow in areas that are already cold is expected within the climate change model because of increased evaporation with the warming seas. The claimed decrease in temperature is intriguing but a real trend needs to be observed before conclusions can be made.
 
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they reported on my news today that both north america, europe, and siberia have seen the most snow in 50 years

More snow can be a sign of warming depending on the area so snowfall is not really a good indicator for a claim that the area is cooling.

Lots of dessert areas don't get any snow and they are some of the coldest places on earth. It takes warm air to hold moisture that eventually becomes snow.
 
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We seem to be getting more snow here than the previous few years, but overall it seems like less compared to when I was a child. Personally I've heard that global cooling comes before the warming occurs.
 
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The reason we are having more cold temperatures is, the sunspot cycle #24 is late in coming, and it will be next year when it arrives. Also related to the sun,the total irradiance of the sun (TSI) has been going down for several years in a row. These two events combine to make it very cold in most of the N. hemisphere. TSI is going to continue to drop and the sunspot cycle will be weak in the near future. Most experts are saying this, this means we can expect cold temperatures followed by colder temperatures.

Go buy a fur coat,I am not kidding.


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More snow can be a sign of warming depending on the area so snowfall is not really a good indicator for a claim that the area is cooling.

Even Al Gore stopped repeating this ridiculous mantra two years ago!

Face it folks. You've all been had by political activists and third-world countries if you've bought into the Global Warming propaganda.
 
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Even Al Gore stopped repeating this ridiculous mantra two years ago!

Face it folks. You've all been had by political activists and third-world countries if you've bought into the Global Warming propaganda.
i can't imagine why you maintain this, as every piece of evidence you presented to counter global warming has been refuted. every. single. piece.
 
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Check out this article from March 2, by Noel Sheppard

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...ing-climate-alarmists-question-global-warming

Here is plenty of information about the cooling trend we are now in. It is here and is not going away anytime soon.

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way
A sampling of recent articles detailing the inconvenient reality of temperature trends around the planet.
By Marc Morano, 2/29/2008 8:25:55 AM

[Disclaimer: Since there is no "normal" temperature of the Earth, there is no way the Earth can have a "fever." The headline's reference to "fever" is for amusement purposes only.]
Report: Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (Daily Tech – February 26, 2008)
Excerpt: All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
Forget Global Warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (Canada's National Post – Feb. 25, 2008)
Excerpt: Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966. The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average." China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them. And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past. The ice is back. Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year. […]Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats." He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon. The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased. It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

Arctic Sea Ice Sees 'Significant Increase' in Size Following 'Extreme Cold' (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation -CBC – February 15, 2008)
Excerpt: There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year. Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas. Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years. "It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday. […] Winter sea ice could keep expanding. The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added. "The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said. If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.
Ice between Canada and Greenland reaches highest level in 15 years (Greenland’s Sermitsiak News – February 12, 2008)
Excerpt: Minus 30 degrees Celsius. That's how cold it's been in large parts of western Greenland where the population has been bundling up in hats and scarves. At the same time, Denmark's Meteorological Institute states that the ice between Canada and southwest Greenland right now has reached its greatest extent in 15 years. 'Satellite pictures show that the ice expansion has extended farther south this year. In fact, it's a bit past the Nuuk area. We have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south. On the eastern coast it hasn't been colder than normal, but there has been a good amount of snow.'
New Peer-Reviewed Study Shows Arctic COOLING Over last 1500 years
(Study published in Climate Dynamics, and the work was conducted by Håkan Grudd of Stockholm University’s Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology - Published online: 30 January 2008)
Excerpt: “The late-twentieth century is not exceptionally warm in the new Torneträsk record: On decadal-to-century timescales, periods around AD 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750 were all equally warm, or warmer. The warmest summers in this new reconstruction occur in a 200-year period centred on AD 1000. A ‘Medieval Warm Period’ is supported by other paleoclimate evidence from northern Fennoscandia, although the new tree-ring evidence from Tornetraäsk suggests that this period was much warmer than previously recognised.” < > “The new Torneträsk summer temperature reconstruction shows a trend of -0.3°C over the last 1,500 years.”

Antarctic Summer Thaw 'Later Than Normal' (AccuWeather Global Warming News – February 6, 2008)
Excerpt: Actually, the summer thaw down there was later than normal, and NASA believes that La Nina might have something to do with that. Usually, the breakup of fast ice around the Antarctica Peninsula occurs in early to mid-December, but this area was solidly frozen well into January. By the way, according to the Polar Research Group at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, the current southern hemispheric sea-ice area is at 2.9 million sq/km, which is about 400,000 sq/km greater than the normal level expected for this time of year, or slightly above-normal. Based on the latest trend on the chart, it appears that the southern hemispheric sea-ice area could be right at normal by March.

Global warming sceptics bouyed by record cold (UK Telegraph – February 26, 2008)
Excerpt: Global warming sceptics are pointing to recent record cold temperatures in parts of North America and Asia and the return of Arctic Sea ice to suggest fears about climate change may be overblown. According to the US National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), the average temperature of the global land surface in January 2008 was below the 20th century mean (-0.02°F/-0.01°C) for the first time since 1982. […]Asked about the Arctic ice cover, Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, told the Post the Arctic winter had been so severe, the ice has not only recovered but was actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than the same time last year. "

GLOBAL WARMING? IT’S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES (UK Daily Express – Feb. 18, 2008)
Excerpt: NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night. Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature. It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming. But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back. Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels. Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year. The data flies in the face of many current thinkers and will be seized on by climate change sceptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming. […] Central and southern China, the USA and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. Even the Middle East saw snow, with Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman and northern Saudi Arabia reporting the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan snow and freezing weather killed 120 people.

Report: Sun's 'disturbingly quiet' cycle prompts fear of global COOLING (February 8, 2008 - Investor’s Business Daily)
Excerpt: Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined. And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Solar data suggest our concerns should be about global cooling – (By Geologist David Archibald of Summa Development Limited in Australia – March 2008 Scientific Paper)
Excerpt: Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United StatesExcerpt: I will demonstrate that the Sun drives climate, and use that demonstrated relationship to predict the Earth’s climate to 2030. It is a prediction that differs from most in the public domain. It is a prediction of imminent cooling. […] The carbon dioxide that Mankind will put into the atmosphere over the next few hundred years will offset a couple of millenia of post-Holocene Optimum cooling before we plunge into the next ice age. There are no deleterious consequences of higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. Higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are wholly beneficial.

Report: Too Much Ice = Polar Bears Starving? (Scientist Philip Stott’s Global Warming Politics – February 15, 2008)
Excerpt: Apparently, according to a report, Svend Erik Hendriksen, a certified weather observer in the Kangerlussuaq Greenland MET Office, who is responsible for all the weather observations at Kangerlussuaq Airport (near to Sisimiut), says that the cause is too much sea ice: “Several polar bears located (at least 6) close to Sisimiut town on the West coast ...Too much sea ice, so they are very hungry...Error number 36 in the movie An Inconvenient Truth Al Gore says the polar bear need more ice to survive... Now we have a lot of ice, but the polar bear is starving and find their food at the garbage dumps in towns. It's also influence the local community, polar bear alerts, keep kids away from the schools and so on.... The first one was shot at February 1st.” Sadly, that “first one” is the poor female hung out in the newspaper photograp.

Report: Solar Activity Diminishes; Researchers Predict Another Ice Age - Sunspots have all but vanished in recent years. (Daily Tech – February 9, 2008)
Excerpt: In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov predicted the sun would soon peak, triggering a rapid decline in world temperatures. Only last month, the view was echoed by Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. who advised the world to "stock up on fur coats." Sorokhtin, who calls man's contribution to climate change "a drop in the bucket," predicts the solar minimum to occur by the year 2040, with icy weather lasting till 2100 or beyond. Observational data seems to support the claims -- or doesn't contradict it, at least. […] Researcher Dr. Timothy Patterson, director of the Geoscience Center at Carleton University, shares the concern. Patterson is finding "excellent correlations" between solar fluctuations, a relationship that historically, he says doesn't exist between CO2 and past climate changes.

Greenland climate not varying from ‘natural climate variabilty’ (Greenie Watch - Dec. 2007)
Excerpt: RECENT PAPER ON THE HISTORY OF GREENLAND ICE MASS Showing that, although the Greenland melt has increased during the 1992-2006 period, the melt was even higher in 1900s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and 1960s. So there is no indication that the current melt is above natural climate variability. Of course people who look just on the 1990 to 2007 period "see" great melting acceleration and influence of carbon dioxide and anthropogenic climate change.



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i can't imagine why you maintain this, as every piece of evidence you presented to counter global warming has been refuted. every. single. piece.
It it's been refuted, why is there not the "consensus" Al Gore claims? The truth is, like it or not, there is ample evidence against human-caused global warming, and far form a consensus that it exists. For one thing, CO2 emissions are a small fraction of the overall CO2 atmospheric content (less than 4%) and the entire CO2 presence is estimated to account for about 1.7 degrees of long-wave heat absorption. Human contribution to CO2 levels might -- might, at the absolute worst -- raise mean earth temperatures half a degree Celsius. Predictions that "global warming" will raise temps 10 degrees this century are a farce. that would require twenty global economies as one exists now to be added in that time frame. Gore and the others that tout this pap are idiots.

The major factor in this vital function for our environment (without long-wave radiant heat absorption, the planet's mean temperature would be well below zero degree Celsius) is water vapor. It accounts for over 96% of that absorption rate. Want to try to eliminate water vapor? I didn't think so.
 
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It it's been refuted, why is there not the "consensus" Al Gore claims? The truth is, like it or not, there is ample evidence against human-caused global warming, and far form a consensus that it exists. For one thing, CO2 emissions are a small fraction of the overall CO2 atmospheric content (less than 4%) and the entire CO2 presence is estimated to account for about 1.7 degrees of long-wave heat absorption. Human contribution to CO2 levels might -- might, at the absolute worst -- raise mean earth temperatures half a degree Celsius. Predictions that "global warming" will raise temps 10 degrees this century are a farce. that would require twenty global economies as one exists now to be added in that time frame. Gore and the others that tout this pap are idiots.

The major factor in this vital function for our environment (without long-wave radiant heat absorption, the planet's mean temperature would be well below zero degree Celsius) is water vapor. It accounts for over 96% of that absorption rate. Want to try to eliminate water vapor? I didn't think so.

You have made this very same claim before, and it was pointed out to you in detail with references why it is not true. Don't you think it is a little dishonest to bring it up again?

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43511881&postcount=22
 
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So it&#8217;s come to this. The demands of the Internet and its constant, unquenchable thirst for &#8220;content&#8221; have brought us here. To discussing the weather.
My good friend James Inhofe has been telling me a lot about this whole &#8220;global warming&#8221; controversy, and I&#8217;ve looked into it. I know what you think I&#8217;m going to say: that Jews control the weather, and they&#8217;ve created global warming in order to sell us all sunscreen and hats, and to make the rest of the world as hot and dusty as their blighted Holy Land.
Well, yes. But that&#8217;s not all.
Unlike Senator Inhofe, I do believe that the earth is getting warmer, and that man is somehow responsible. And, unlike Senator Inhofe, I don&#8217;t believe that it&#8217;s a PR conspiracy by the Weather Channel to boost their ratings. Surprised? I was, too, but that was before I was able to go outside without a coat the other day. In the middle of Winter! It must have been upwards of 60 degrees out.
Clearly, the globe is warming. I don&#8217;t know if there are any other kinds of reasoning other than inductive, but it&#8217;s clearly the best kind, and in this case it has proven to me that the earth&#8217;s temperature is rising at an enormous rate.

I haven&#8217;t been this sure of anything since I got sick after eating an avocado, and became convinced that Mexican food was poison. Which it is.
Some people have said to me, &#8220;but Professor Dalton, I remember this one day back in July when I needed a jacket. Doesn&#8217;t that mean the earth is cooling?&#8221; Well, I don&#8217;t remember that day, so I remain steadfast. Of course, it could have been during that week that I spent locked in my building&#8217;s laundry room.
I had to eat six dryer sheets.
Others say, &#8220;Professor Dalton, I never would have thought you would have been suckered in by the San Francisco anti-business liberal conspiracy.&#8221; And to them I say, &#8220;Senator Inhofe, this isn&#8217;t about the Homo-Zionist World Agenda&#8482;, it&#8217;s about the environment. Also, I sweat uncontrollably in warm weather, and would rather not have to deal with it any more than I already have to.&#8221;
What&#8217;s most troubling to me about this whole debate, though, is the fact that I haven&#8217;t heard one single positive suggestion for what to do about the problem. Anyone can make a stink about &#8220;catastrophe&#8221; this and &#8220;apocalypse&#8221; that, but where are the solutions? Fortunately, I have an answer:

coal

COAL.

Think about it. It grows in the earth, so it&#8217;s organic, and aren&#8217;t the lefties always going on and on about &#8220;organic&#8221;? Plus, the only people harmed by coal are the ones who have to dig it out of the ground. It&#8217;s just rocks, after all, not dirty, messy gunk like oil. What could be cleaner than rocks?
Think about it, America.
 
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I downloaded a BBC documentary...I am a global warming skeptic (an evil conservative), but it addressed this situation with global cooling. Researchers found the main reason for global cooling is the particulates from developing countries are preventing a great deal of solar energy from entering the atmosphere by a couple of mechanisms..

First the dark particles block out the sun which is obvious..
But secondly the particles cause the droplets in clouds to become larger than normal and that increases the mirror effect, thereby reflecting much of the energy back into space.

What they are trying to say is the above situation is cooling the earth enough to prevent global warming-if the particles weren't in the air we would have seen a vast increase in temperature.

I am not sure if it is true or not..I am just the messenger and thought it was interesting
 
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More snow in areas that are already cold is expected within the climate change model because of increased evaporation with the warming seas. The claimed decrease in temperature is intriguing but a real trend needs to be observed before conclusions can be made.
Truly, Don't just accept global warming or cooling.
Be skeptical.

I don't know much about the source here, but I'm sure this will get some discussion going...

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm?ag
He said the "D" word. That is not allowed in this section. The "D" word is only allowed in debate section.
Hint, don't get emotional in this discussion and they tend to overlook it. But some people get emotional about GW.
 
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I heard a talk show host(I was late going to work, and don't even know who was on at 1045 in am)
say that the ice in the glaciers is growing, iceland has more ice, and greenland is ice and snow covered.
Polar bears are thriving, and everything that GW supporters have used is reversing.

He didn't give support for his words.

Has anyone heard this?
 
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