Giuliani says there were 63 murders in Chicago over the weekend. That’s five times the actual count.

[tulc]

https://www.politifact.com/illinois...ni-says-there-were-63-murders-chicago-over-w/

There were too many shooting deaths in Chicago over the weekend, but nowhere near 63. And murders in Chicago began surging in 2016, but the numbers are still well below the city record of 970 set decades ago. The murder tally, while high under Emanuel, is nowhere near the worst in city history.

It is possible Giuliani may have confused shootings with murders. Or, he may have simply been misinformed. Or, he may have made it all up. It’s impossible to tell, though it is worth noting that Giuliani’s numbers were quickly and widely called into question by news reports yet he did not seek to clarify them or delete his tweets.

But Giuliani is not only a former New York mayor, he was also once a crime-busting U.S. attorney in that city. If anyone should have a feel for what is real and unreal when it comes to urban violence, it’s Giuliani.

Yet he disseminated a wildly exaggerated claim, and that is why we rate it Pants on Fire!

tulc(this is Mayor Giuliani's 4th pants on fire)

 

[NW82]

https://www.politifact.com/illinois...ni-says-there-were-63-murders-chicago-over-w/

tulc(this is Mayor Giuliani's 4th pants on fire)

And this changes the fact that 74 people were shot how?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-chicago-weekend-violence-20180806-story.html

 

[Traveling teacher]

70 shootings 11 deaths
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...says/465-e64a7c38-f761-4064-b3c4-ae1a3e531771

put up the wall shut down the illegal crossings...
shut down the mexican drug cartels....
the absolute best thing for both nations.....

 

[Traveling teacher]

christian democrat sees shootings near his church ....
reaches out to trump and ignores robs.... not trump zone....
right thing to do....

get rid of rob emanuel...
get rid of the sanctuary cities...it is breaking federal law.....
and destroying the city of chicago and other cities....
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/...donald-trumps-help-amid-gun-violence-rahm-ban

 

[tulc]

And this changes the fact that 74 people were shot how?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-chicago-weekend-violence-20180806-story.html

Didn't read the article huh? The shootings were bad, lying about it to make a political point is an insult to the tragedy.
tulc(there, fixed it)

 

[tulc]

70 shootings 11 deaths
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...says/465-e64a7c38-f761-4064-b3c4-ae1a3e531771

put up the wall shut down the illegal crossings...
shut down the mexican drug cartels....
the absolute best thing for both nations.....

...uhmmm...what does President Trumps farcical "wall" have to do with this? Oh wait! I get it: this is another attempt to make this about a President Trump/GOP talking point. Got it.
tulc(almost thought this had been posted in the wrong thread, turns out it simply didn't have anything to do with the OP)

 

[tulc]

(snip)get rid of rob emanuel...(snip)

Kind of hard to take this post very serious if you can't even get the mayors name right.
So I see no one wants to address the fact that Mayor Giuliani lied about this, they want to attack Chicago instead?
tulc(is used to that from some of President Trump supporters)

 

[Traveling teacher]

obviously guliana didnt do it on purpose...
and needs to read news details....

for those who dont know the connection with the border and drug running to chicago......
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-drug-cartels-fight-turf-battles-in-chicago/
the mexican drug cartels have targeted chicago for some 20+++years now as the number one city for drug running from mexico.......

As it stands now, at least three major Mexican cartels are battling over control of billions of dollars of marijuana, cocaine and -- increasingly -- heroin in this city.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Kind of hard to take this post very serious if you can't even get the mayors name right.
So I see no one wants to address the fact that Mayor Giuliani lied about this, they want to attack Chicago instead?
tulc(is used to that from some of President Trump supporters)

Perhaps they're more concerned about 11 dead people last weekend than whether or not Giuliani got his numbers right.

 

[tulc]

obviously guliana didnt do it on purpose...
and needs to read news details....

So...he issued a correction of his statement? If he didn't do that then he's not "wrong" he's lying.

(snip)

none of which this thread is about.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

 

[tulc]

Perhaps they're more concerned about 11 dead people last weekend than whether or not Giuliani got his numbers right.

It's possible to address both subjects.
tulc(is in the midst of having a flood pour down his street and filling the alleys around him)

 

[Traveling teacher]

Perhaps they're more concerned about 11 dead people last weekend than whether or not Giuliani got his numbers right.

agreed...who cares....if guliana got his facts wrong.....

kinda like your dog got run over in the street....
shudnt really care if the dog vet is a democrat or republican.....

JUST GET IT FIXED.....
shut down the root cause of this inner city war....
DRUG SMUGGLING FROMM MEXICO......

 

[Phil 1:21]

It's possible to address both subjects.
tulc(is in the midst of having a flood pour down his street and filling the alleys around him)

Yes, as I see you did...

Didn't read the article huh? The shootings were bad, lying about it to make a political point is even worse.
tulc(just thought he'd point that out)

Lying about murder is worse than murder. Okie dokie then.

 

[Phil 1:21]

agreed...who cares....if guliana got his facts wrong.....

kinda like your dog got run over in the street....
shudnt really care if the dog vet is a democrat or republican.....

JUST GET IT FIXED.....
shut down the root cause of this inner city war....
DRUG SMUGGLING FROMM MEXICO......

Agreed. He said 63 people were murdered, when in reality the 63 number was how many were shot. But as we're told, making that statement was worse than 63 people actually being shot.

 

[NW82]

Didn't read the article huh? The shootings were bad, lying about it to make a political point is even worse.
tulc(just thought he'd point that out)

Thank you for assuming, however I did read it as well as his tweet. Did I say he was correct? No. I asked a related question. The gun violence problem hasn't been fixed by the massive regulation of weapons. So how does his incorrect tweet change the fact that 74 people were shot and the fact that liberal "gun control" doesn't work? It doesn't based upon the numbers. Before you try to "outsmart" someone be sure you know what you're doing. Also, have you considered the possibility that this was done by a staffer who mis-read the actual information? Have you considered that it was a mistake, a mis-quote, which was meant to say shootings but ended up being worded as murder? No you didn't, you are blinded by your hatred for conservative ideals.

 

[tulc]

Yes, as I see you did...
Lying about murder is worse than murder. Okie dokie then.

Glad you agree.
tulc(likes finding common ground with people)

 

[tulc]

Agreed. He said 63 people were murdered, when in reality the 63 number was how many were shot. But as we're told, making that statement was worse than 63 people actually being shot.

hmmm...I see no one wants to actually address the OP, that's okay, some people seem to want to make threads about something it's not instead of simply starting a thread about what they want to talk about.
tulc(wonders why that is?)

 

[NW82]

hmmm...I see no one wants to actually address the OP, that's okay, some people seem to want to make threads about something it's not instead of simply starting a thread about what they want to talk about.
tulc(wonders why that is?)

Ok I'll directly address the OP. Do you know for a fact Mr. Giuliani posted that himself? Do you know for a fact that his intent was to lie? Do you know for a fact that there was no mistake made? If you don't know these for FACTS, then aren't you assuming facts not in evidence, e.g. hearsay?

Edit: I will note that you can't even bring yourself to address the questions brought against your argument.

 

[tulc]

Thank you for assuming, however I did read it as well as his tweet.

Good. But since you read it, why didn't you address what the OP was about?

Did I say he was correct?

No you did not, but then you didn't actually address the OP did you?

No. I asked a related question.

No, if you had asked "Why was he so wring about that?" or maybe: "Why didn't he issue a correction once he found out he was wrong about how many people were killed?" Those would have been question that were related to the OP. what you asked was

And this changes the fact that 74 people were shot how?

which isn't actually about the OP at all. See the difference?

(snip)

This thread isn't about gun control, if you'd like to discuss that you should start a thread about it.

Before you try to "outsmart" someone be sure you know what you're doing.

Good advice for us all.

Also, have you considered the possibility that this was done by a staffer who mis-read the actual information? Have you considered that it was a mistake, a mis-quote, which was meant to say shootings but ended up being worded as murder?

Sure did, but when a correction wasn't issued or the tweet taken down? That's when I knew it was done on purpose. An honest person, when he discovers something he said was wrong, is confronted by a choice: he can admit he was wrong and correct it, or he can stop pretending he's an honest person. It really is that simple.

No you didn't, you are blinded by your hatred for conservative ideals.

neither "I" nor "conservative ideals" are the subject of this thread, if you'd like to discuss either of those subjects perhaps you should start a thread about them where they can be discussed?
tulc(thinks there's a lot of subjects people want to discuss that they could start threads about being brought up in thread not about those subjects)

 

[Traveling teacher]

hmmm...I see no one wants to actually address the OP, that's okay, some people seem to want to make threads about something it's not instead of simply starting a thread about what they want to talk about.
tulc(wonders why that is?)

you are slaming Giuliani for a mistake he made.....

Giulliani is an American hero who took NY through the most violent attack on american soil since Pearl Harbor......

how does that compare to sir mayor Rob......
who is a croney from the old administration and thinks that they can run their city without federal law and federal oversite....

that is what Guliani was trying to say.....
mayor Rob told Trump to stay out and that he was going to designate Chicago an illegal sanctuary city...dispite US law....
this invited illegal drug lords to set up camp in the city working through their illegal aliens,,,,

thats the root of the problem ....not Guliani

this is the result of a bunch of politicians that really dont wont to be a part of the US government....